Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

But Whack-a-ferret is so much more challenging! Ferrets move much faster than a silly mole does!

Need something more than these Open Sim projects......needs a real viable alternative with company backing in terms of technology, resources and funding.....then LL will start to take to note! Only really 2 things ever effect LL and its SL platform

1) Money
2) Bad publicity in the Media

Yes horrible there is no coke to this pepsi

The facts are:

Linden Labs is not listening to any suggestions on changes to this project.

Linden Labs can't even or does not even know exactly what is adult content, what will be moved, how etc.

Linden labs has done this before.

Linden Labs will had has backed off in the past when they meet with large and aggressive opposition In World and their financial profits are threatened.

Read the posts in this thread from any Linden, you we see clearly that your wasting your time trying to fight them here, you and we need to move this in world to the general members.

There are very sensible suggestions on alternatives being made here such as:

Grand Fathering all the current members. No one needs to see Payment Information On File in the profile. Just update the database and change that to Verified and tag all current users as Verified. As soon as you announce that change, turn on Verification for ALL new Members to the service.

Only allow members to use a credit card once to verify, but allow them to tie all alts to their master account. Oops their goes the griefers. Damn what a shame.

This is fair and still gets us a lot of what we want. Those here get to stay under the assumption they are adult, The assumption that Linden Labs and the rest of us have presently since Linden Labs has stated as much time and again.

Changing the ADULT Tag to the Sim level from the estate Level. Most Sim owners can manage with that small change.

Clean up the Mainland. Not just the adult material the whole place. Is a ugly looking sex club any worse than a linden lab default wood textured 40m high tower??

But the only way any of us are going to get any changes out of the lindens is to all go in world, tell everyone what is going on, get them, all of them effected to start writing to Linden Labs telling them what they will do if this goes through.

Wake up the Linden Labs accountant to how much this will cost and then maybe the rest of Linden Labs will listen.

Trust me, two years ago, Age Check was announced and attempted to be forced through, just as this is. It failed because we showed Linden Labs that it would financially hurt them significantly. We did it through talking in world, through signs, posters, info givers, etc.

Actually it failed because it was hopelessly broken.

And the new plan doesn't seem much better.

/me wishes LL would talk more about what's driving this and how much is already a done deal.

Linden labs,

Ask yourself this question. Are you really willing to go the way of Yahoo? They pulled this same facist bullshit with thier servers. They were willing to allow people to pay an inflated rate to put adult content up, but only in search. Now Yahoo, a once giant monolith online is a dying animal, thrashing around in its final throes. If you people start pushing us more and trying to inhibit a game that touts "user generated content, ingenuity, and freedom." we will just take it elsewhere. You need to realize an honest truth, 65% or more of your user base comes here to get naughty. You start this hypocrisy garbage we will all just leave and go somewhere else. Whats more important to you? Money or bankruptcy? Look at everquest, they started handicapping everything and now WoW is the big dog.

So before you start marching to the drums and burning books, think about it. Do you want nothing but broke teenagers on your servers flaming one another? Cause thats what you will get if you do this. This is the internet, the masses still have some power here.

I also have to wonder how long before the ADULT designator gets changed again? We bought Mature sims, and now they are being renamed and we are being forced to move, like it or not. How long before they do it to us all over again? How soon before we have:

adult - gay
adult - straight
adult - group
adult - violence
adult - sexual violence
adult - sax and violins
adult - gor
adult - nonconsensual games
adult - necrophilia
adult - zoophilia
adult - letmephilia
adult - monsters
adult - julie andrews in leather teddies and furry handcuffs holding a gerbil

and so on... Kinda reminds me of the mess usenet's ALT hierarchy fell into.

LL - Destroying your worlds since 2001.

Popular, possibly, but it's fast becoming seen as harassment by many Residents - in fact, in a lot of SIMs you'll earn yourself a warning, eject or ban for unsolicited 'bites'.

Along the lines of landmark spamming, overuse of Xcite body parts not set to private/discreet and gesture spamming - a lot of people who like mature immersive, well written roleplay, find it highly annoying. I deal with a lot of complaints from other users about unsolicited Bloodlines use.

I must say most of the general pop. Doesn't even know about this heck I only found out two days ago in random coversation I agree we need to take this in world

If Linden Labs is going to offer land at no cost to those that are required to move, one can assume that Linden Labs:

a) will allows users to sell the land to offset the cost of the move.
b) will take control of the land themselves.

The 2% to 4% move figure discussed here might be accurate when discussing percentages of total land owners, but that number seems questionable when considering land mass. Most question either figure, as not taking into consideration adult activities that will be "discovered" as reports of conduct manifest.

Does Linden Labs have a plan in place for dealing with this vacated land?

As you can in a variety of ways all over the Internet. Surely all one can do is monitor complaints and deal with individual cases (whether it's because of illegal imagery or content against a local community rule). Only other alternative is to disallow uploads of textures - which of course would bananas in SL. I would have thought the current L$10/texture upload fee does quite a good job of preventing SL inventories from being mass RL photo archives of undesirable* content, in all but a minority of cases.

(*undesirable - I have no view on this, as long as it's legal. That is for LL to decide. Personally, I don't care about RL imagery in SL as long as it's in the appropriate currently flagged land zone - PG or Mature - seems nice and simple to me, Mature IS Adult, in the context of content IMO)

page 100!

Yes, I know my last post was infantile, but needed some lightness.

will this interrupt the rpers of naruto bleach and other anime rp sims? cause if it does your gonna lose a quarter of the whole SL population :/

pfft still a furry rodent
lol

Yes but strip clubs advertise on a theme that is overtly sexual in nature.

I would suspect that stores selling Gorean clothing would be most comfortable on a Mature rated sim.

Are you sure they are not listening to what is being said as we haven't had a firm ruling as to what is what yet and i don't think they would move forward on this until they have listened to the people here. It may seem that they don't care but i am sure they would understand how big this change is for all and contary to popular belief, i am sure they wouldn't harm SL so that it folds completely.



They haven't told us yet thats all imho



The thing that is missing is they can do what they please whilst i hope not destroying the grid



Specific cases where it has happened and Aristotle verification has been in BETA from the start and the OS changes are going ahead after a lot of demos in world etc. and they allowed non verified accounts after a lot of us said it was a bad idea and cut stipends from basic accounts just to mention a few where players protested to no avail.



I don't see people fighting the Lindens but i do see a lot of constructive discussion coming forward from people.



I think everyone should be if they roll it out back to pre 2006 as there are probably a lot of teenagers on the grid already and rolling it back will catch them hopefully as i am sure as a sensible adult you wouldn't want minors accessing the adult content would you?



I verified all our alts yesterday using my passport number with the Aristotle system. bear in mind this checks the passport number against the same database your banks, town halls etc check your age and identity with. as i have a UK passport i had to use an address i don't live at anymore in the UK to allow it to verify. The whole thing is painless and took a few mins. I will let you know if any of my data is compromised but since verifying with system when it first rolled out i can say with certainty no details of mine have been compromised.



What about the teens that have got on the grid because of non verification of accounts since 2006 I assume you want them removed?



Great idea



This is not a good idea imo, one mans beauty is another's ugly etc. although they have said new areas would be introduced with zoning eventually



been there done that and got the T shirt and as many will tell you it doesn't work



I am more than sure the whole of LL is aware of potential damages and i am sure they have not taken this step lightly without assessing the damage to the company with shrinkage, you assume they are all idiots there, but none of us know the true and honest reasons as to why this is happening and probably never will.



Who is we as you do not speak for me and i am sure many others and it couldn't have done that much as the system is still in place as i used it yesterday. What they do need to do is ensure that it works in world as well and then it can be used better for people.

Just my opinions though

I don't think anyone could have imagined on Day 1 where SL would be six years later.

With no sex play POSSIBLE or none provided?

Suppose my (nonexistent) Old West sim has saloons with rooms upstairs. We do not provide any prostitutes, but if people want to use these rooms to RP they are equipped with the appropriate animations. Some may do this for their actual sexual gratification, some for the giggles, some for strictly roleplay reasons that may or may not include actually USING the animations.

What I want to know here is, historic significance aside, is providing an occasion of sin enough to get a build declared Adult Content? Or does it have to offend in its own right with graphic images (either static or provided by sim staff/owners' avatars)?

now see there we have a problem
i dont see it as overtly sexual but a form of art
now Escort Clubs and Sex clubs those are overtly sexual.
Why not Keep Mainland intune with RL as far as these new rules are concerned. if its allowed on Main ST USA its allowed on Mainland whats wrong with that veiw?
i doubt you will find as many opponents to that take on adult content as the one you taking nowyou want to clean up mainland but keep it fun for all users? then allow stip clubs and the like, but have zoning rules, the exterior of such buisness must comply with PG guildelines and have a sign on the building identifing what it is

How do you advertise these animations? If you use explicit keywords then it'll have to be ADULT. If you can advertise your goods without using certain words, then I don't see a problem with you staying at MATURE with what you have outlined.

Whoes to say its Gorean Clothing and not peirod Peasent clothing for say acent Egypt?