Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Hmm ... interesting point as I never noticed that before. I assume it is there to denote rental properties that are available?

Good point didn't cosider that than perhaps instead of residence there should be a rental classified which doesn't count towards public/private

Didn't you know that he's the righteous one who never trolls?

I'll give you a pointer DeeJay, debaters attack posts and points, trolls attack people. Calling me a selfish bitch is a personal attack. Regardless of what I am, you're a troll.

Yes, I can't think of too many other instances where you would want to pay to put your home in search, so changing 'residential' to 'residential rental' (or whatever wording) would be clearer. I can see the classification system being easily cluttered when you have multiple things on the same parcel though.

Lindens: Is there a standard people should use for parcel listing classification if they had, say, an apartment building and a club floating way above it?

Take that up with Linden Labs. they're the ones who put that option in there in the first place. Lots of people do that who are *clearly* just doing it because they saw the option, who don't have anything on their plot but a prefab and ban lines. Others are doing it because they're renting multiple apartments out on the same parcel... and a rental apartment on a shared block of land is still a personal space.
It's not a bleeding "loophole", it's a "booby trap".
I think I've already pointed out that we can't.
There is, it's called "residence".

I don't think it will benefit me, but nor do I think it will disadvantage you, or any other estate businesses as much as you currently expect it to.

I do think the mainland, which is the only part of second life I have any interest in, will begin to look better, after seperation of some adult businesses.

That is not to say all adult business is an ugly mess but some are.

There is obviously great concern over the effects on freedom of expression, in existing mainland and island sims, this proposal will make.

LL need to be much more open and precise about the changes being implemented, as we all need assurance mature sims will not just become some sort of sterile PG type area.

New adult land must not be allowed to become some sort of ghetto area, this seems to be a concern of many expecting to be relocated.
There are a huge mix of requirements for the new area, some will require whole sims, or even multiples of whole sims, others plots as small as 1024sqm.

I would love to see the new area structured in a similar fashion to bay city around its core, with smaller plots offered directly to those requiring them, plenty of linden landscaping to ensure the area doesn't become a mess like so many of the inland mainland sims where multiple small parcel owers are co located.
Then dependent on the land requirements identified, plots growing in size as the centre is left, again with lots of linden involvement, such as placing roads, rivers and buildings to provide protective breaks in the landscape.
With full and half sims around the coastal areas of the continent.

This sort of thought being put into the new land would make the new adult area desirable for those being relocated, while hopefully ensuring no sort of ghetto would spring up.

I have no personal view on age verification, but have seen throughout the earlier part of the thread, many people are very worried about the affects on their businesses of age varification.

For this reason is there really any requirement to age verify, having already seperated the adult content?
Most sites on the internet have nothing more than a warning message to let users know they are visiting an area with adult content.

If there is a reason for this move then why not make that clear to affected users so they don't feel you are putting them through this upheaval on a whim.

There is, it's called "residence".

It's the impact on non-adult non-businesses that worries me.

All this just leads me to belive that plian jane residence should be taken from search and that a seperate rental tab should be made as is with land for sale so as to avoid abuse by listing my club as a rental or residence. I think we can all agree this adult island fiasco isn't goint to go through without serious tweaking of search and this should be part of it

What difference would that make? It's still a way to find them on search.

And a good question. Perhaps more apt than is obvious on the surface. Evidently LL has some compunction about inconveniencing the scumsuckers with hyperpriced microparcels. God forbid they should be moved to sims devoted to hyperpriced microparcels. Yet no such compunction about residents with Adult content. Why might that be?

Perhaps it's more difficult to imagine auctioning for huge profit microparcel-only zoned sims.

Perhaps Adult content landowners haven't yet rattled the tired old "lawsuit" sabers quite as loudly as have the micro-extortionists.

Perhaps there are no Linden favorites in the Adult content business. (Or perhaps there are, and they plan to make a killing on "invited" moves to Ursula.)

Of course all such speculation could be obviated by a direct answer. Or even better, direct action against the offenders.

True but as now it's pretty hard to find a club through land sale tab I think the same would be simmiliar through a rental land tab if it's set up the same considering you can't search by keywords or descriptors besides size price and mature/pg I think the whole mainland side of thimgs will be cut and dry considering LL has already decided on this move and is making the build as as we speak....look at far far east ursula... it's all the potential for grey area with estates that worries me on how to define everything I have the feeling that 99% pg and 1% sexual or violant will result in an adult listing for the entire island for them andI don't find that right

*I* wear a collar - it's a lovely accessory for a dog. If people or other species want to wear a collar for whatever personal reasons, that's cool with me.

However, the Gor model I frequently see of taking one's slaves out in public, nude or barely clothed in 'silks', and having the slaves down on the ground in that odd posture when not walking should be considered 'adult', in my opinion. It's the whole combination, not just the collar - mostly the public display of nudity combined with the posturing - which makes me think that belongs in the privacy of one's home, not out shopping.

Put some clothes on the 'girl' and let her walk and stand normally when outside your realm, please. That's all I ask.

Yes it is a severe worry to many, Lindens need to define what will be allowed and what will not clearly in this instance.
The normall wooly edged statements they usually make will do nothing to confirm effects on non adult businesses such as skin sellers, one way or another.

My wife has a range of fully detailed skins she created, earlier in the post
Blondin Linden, stated these would not be affected, however Samatha Congrejo was told seperately sales textures would need to be edited.

This seems to be way over the top, in terms of defining what constitutes as adult in my opinion, but really its the lindens call, I just wish they would be far more precise in the statements they make, then at least we know whether people are worrying unduly or not.

I'm rather surprised to say for me there is no actual line for me personal to define what should be adult or not. My personal experience's in SL have been very positive. I don't like Gor and slavery, I find it contributing towards de-sensitizing my feelings and therefore morally wrong even in consenting adults. How ever I don't wish that it was banned or given a special place. I'm more concerned that my opinions restricted the freedom of people that choose to do it. I have no right to stop them or even express my own views towards them and apologize for doing that now.

When shopping (mature area) and seeing two under clad male AV's referring to each other as Master and Slave in open chat, I shrugged and thought "well its a free world". I once clicked on a meat grinder in a butchers shop inside SL, and found myself depicted as climbing in and being chopped into tiny bits with blood everywhere. I laughed at this, n thought it was great, it was in a mature area. When it comes to offending me it is actually very easy yet none of what offends me is "Adult" its things like very high ARC Av's at a busy Sim, or overused gestures (Insert your personal grief here). There is no line that is not already covered by PG/Mature rating IMO.

I agree here silks are not real slave wear and really not very practical for all the chores a gor slave is to do so when not in gor sims , you know when in Rome.....
I am a slave I wear my collar as i have stated before but I will not kneel if my Master and I are in a place that is not suitable ie a PG sim. Now since clothing has been bought up and the comment about a collar having sexual connotations what about latex, those daisy duke shorts, stockings, thigh high boots, stilettos to name a few. Should we have those all banned because some one may see a women in one or all of them and start thinking naughty thoughts? I have even heard some men find the women in a business suit a turn on should we ban that also ?

We did all buy mature land thinking it meant adult. I just hope open sim is watching this fiasco along wwith the homestead sim stuff and seeing their room for growth

The whole thing is meant to zone LL's own continent, it won't have any effect on privately owned continents and private islands, where the majority of skin shops go anyway, so what is the worry?


Unless you actually were silly enough to pay those extremely exhortive prices to get your very own LL parcel on the mainland.

I disagree with catagorizing Gor as adult, sure it is strange to see slaves knelt down clothed in nothing but silks, but silks are clothing and do provide cover, masters in public are fully clothed.

Gor is not to all tastes, but consists of some great builds, Gorean cities are really good areas to explore, they are roleplay areas, bustling with activity.

Not pornographic sex dens and should not be treated as such, I for one would not like to see them excluded from the mature sims.

I am not a Gorean roleplayer btw and do not have or ever intend to have a slave of any type, but I can appreciate people come to the virtual world so they can explore their fantasies, removing such fantasy environments as Gor from the mature areas of secondlife, will inhibit new users likelihood of visiting and experiencing some of the best and well established roleplay areas secondlife has to offer.

Adult should be only the very extreme pornographic or violent, not just any group, area or content that has a slightly mature theme to it.

And it'll be pretty hard to find a club that's trying to avoid looking like a club through the search tab. They can't put it in search as "hot sluts all over your screen" or "sex sex sex bondage bondage bondage" if they want to try and maintain the pretense that they're a home. I don't think this would be a workable loophole. On the other hand, someone could set up a club in the sim, and a store selling sex animations, and half a dozen houses for hourly rental that don't show up on search at all.

I don't think it's possible to come up with a cut-and-dried definition of a home.

Wrong.

Read again, just editted my post to quote a part of the blog.

Could it be they are also to be moved to 1/more sims on Ursula? Maybe it is training for the g-team to do the bigger move? Are the Lindens showing love to extortionists but not their customers? Actually, that last would probably fit: they are doing this move to PIOF/verified paying residents with comercial interests to benefit a population they (officially, at least) maintain is not here (minors).

Do note there is a difference though: while the extortionists are clearly trying to be pains, anyone else is just trying to enjoy their second lives however they see fit. Why I will fight for any group subject to this forced relocation except for the grief^H^H^H^H^Hmicroparcel land barons.

Lindens: would you please answer the direct questions this raises? There is an obvious linkage and dichotomy here between two groups forced to give up property against their will. Are you deliberately setting precedents that will drop land to the sub-linden/m2 mark for everyone?

Hence will be the rise of the SL speakeasy which I will find personaly fun but there will be lynch mobs out I'm sure to AR such places in order to gain desirable land

And this is where we get into the subjective arguments, and why it's going to be so hard to reach agreement on what is adult and what is not.

A nude woman (or man) walking around could probably be classified as "adult", but what if she's wearing a bikini? Now let's say we have two women in bikinis (or silks) which cover the "important" parts. If one of these women is wearing a collar, should we put restrictions on where she may go?

Now let's say both these women kneel. Should the collared woman be AR'd for doing this in a PG or Mature zone? What about the woman who's not wearing a visible collar? Does she also merit an AR?

The possibilities are endless, and it's going to be damn difficult to address all of them. And this is BEFORE the logistical nightmare of getting everybody moved, not to mention enforcing all these new regulations.