Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I'm not asking for personal info, I'm asking for professional info.

No offense to LL but when your conglomerate actually understands how SL works, setting aside the reliability issues with the service, you will discover SL is of VERY narrow pedagogical and commercial value +SO FAR+ for mainstream media and education. You'd be better off using SL experimentally for a few years using the level of load, the exploration of the limits of the SL architecture created by the behavior of the current community and the inherent strengths and weakness of 3D navigation to learn from. The demand comes from a place not just of cultural ignorance and, frankly, rudeness but from a complete lack of understanding about what a 'metaverse' can be in the near term.

In all media, from print, to telephone, to vhs, to cable TV. The interest in adult content drove the adoption of and advancement of the technology.

Having actually been paid rather a lot to help educational and commercial institutions use SL, I can tell you with absolute certainty that most do not remotely understand the dynamics of the user experience or the interaction design needed to do anything interesting beyond mapping a series of clickable links into a spherical projection.

What frosts me most about this view of the world is that there are ALREADY mechanisms in place you and your 'conglomerate' can use to help your constituents be shepherded directly to your sims, have those sims be completely inaccessible to the likes of Kyle Steig and educate your users on the EXISTING methods to avoid seeing anything they don't want to with FAR greater efficacy than you could on any public internet site. You simply insist on imposing your 'requirements' on a community without so much as even THINKING about the tools LL has already put in place for a completely walled garden for your users.


*I* Am Adult Content
- Kyle

LL does not have the requisite skills to deal with this complicated issue with any degree of sophistication.

Thus we see the knee jerk, heavy handed reaction that has categorised all their dealings with their userbase for at least the last 2 years.

We will just have to take the hit, just like we took it when gambling was banned. Although this time I don't know how deep this will bite.

My best guess is that it will bite hard. So much so that at the moment I'm debating whether to close everything down completely when the time comes. I don't feel like being scammed out of money again by LL (extortionate new land anyone, increased tiers while you get rid of your current mainland?) on top of all the aggravation that goes with the move.

Sometimes the return from SL isn't enough - both financially and the enjoyment factor.
This is seriously hard work these days and I'm sick of dealing with an amateur company that wants to play with the big boys but doesn't have a clue.

this is an alt btw.. i couldn't be bothered logging out and in again.

edited to add.. and I did like the way Blondin jumped on the slavery thing to try and change the subject completely. Equating slavery to violence is a long bow and just demonstrates a lack of knowledge that even I find breathtaking. particularly since slavery is about the absence of personal freedom lol

OK. Let's take it out of this forum to IM, please.

As CIA agent (or whoever is paying you) you shouldn't be so obvious about your goals.

Sure. Contact me inworld via IM. Thanks.

Funny little troll, seemed so eager to attack me when I spoke of my collar and jump to (erroneous) conclusions of my intentions, claiming I was talking about sex when I never did. And now she proceeds to ignore my response and gives information on her sex life.

I guess the statement that "People are most often guilty of what they accuse others of" is found true today, she attacks me for what could be (but isn't) sexual about my life and then talks about her sex life as if it isn't a topic that need be fretted over, why criticize someone for their sex life right?

Being a woman doesn't excuse you from your aptly gotten title, you are in fact: a vile creature.

Linden Labs, can we ship her off to some new continent she's offensive to me.

Absolutely not, Nany. This is a discussion forum and I'm asking you to share your thoughts on-topic. Please share your plan and suggestions for how this may be implemented and provide clear-cut guidelines of what adult is. I don't want to hear those thoughts, the Lindens do, and I'm actually curious if you have a plan beyond cheerleading.

So, personal info goes into the forum, but anything relevant to the forum goes into personal IM?

And before I forget lets add blatant hypocrite to the list.

Your digging yourself a hole Nany, should someone do a search for a shovel on SLX for you so we can get rid of you faster?

That doesn't work out very well, Selkit. The project I am directing attracts controversy that will draw the discussion off-course. Your questions need to be answered elsewhere.

See what I mean? All kinds of idiots begging me to call them idiots! LOL

Off I go. Have fun.

I did not refer to your project, Nany, I was asking you to provide concise, relevant and on-topic input to the topic at hand:

How should Linden Lab implement adult filtering, the relocation of adult content, the definitions of adult content, and how to handle disputes regarding adult content.

Please, begin. I don't care to know nor have business needing to know about your corporate interests or project, as it is not relevant to the topic at hand. If you want to see this happen in a concise, accurate and effective manner, as I've asked three times, provide your input on how to make it happen.

Who would agree to all the changes proposed on the blog by LL excluding age verification (instead everyone who will want to access adult region would need to click accept on the pop-up warning window) OR age verification to everyone during sign up?

And instead of "Payment info on file" everyone who visited adult region would have "Verified Pervert" *just kidding

You made your claims in this forum, you can support them in this forum.

@ Nany:

At least I respond to the topic/post at hand instead of some mindless drivel spewed from the mouth of some child. You want anyone to take anything you say with any ounce of seriousness you have to start acting as if you're older then a five year old.

I deal with trolls like you all the time, I am very active on many other forums and I see your type quite often. You come into a thread and post controversy and [deleted] and then make hasty retreats and snide comments when you get called on your lies.

You are a liar, a hypocrite and a vile excuse for a human being and no amount of laughing or ignoring the point will change that fact.

You get faced with questions and have no issues derailing a thread by accusing others of talking of things they never mentioned but when cornered you use not wanting to derail as an excuse not to discuss things?

Please, anyone with more then a singular operating brain cell can tell that you're digging yourself a hole with your rampant and blind fanaticism to whatever point you feel is pertinent. And it is clear that when faced with opposition that you know you can't beat you resort to petty insults and little posts containing irrelevant babbling.

But then I guess not all is a lose, Blondin will hopefully see you for what you are and realize that you are whats wrong with SL, not me or Adult material. The conservative "we're never wrong" type that you fit so nicely is the real issue this world and this game face. If you do not like that I wear a collar and do not want to hear or see anything about it; then stay [deleted] away from me. My life will be better off for it I can assure you. If you wander into my home, into my sim, and don't like what you see it is not within your rights to try to change me or change where I live; it is within your rights to walk away and let me be.

Trying to force your way into my life so that you can nitpick about what I do and do not do and then hide behind the mask of obscurity yourself with your "that's not the topic of the forums" is utter [deleted], and everyone here knows it.

Grow up, you and Linden alike, grow [deleted] up. The world would be better off without your ilk spreading their vile stench through our lives as you seek to fix problems in other peoples lives that only ever have existed in your own mind.

Actually, I think Nany is a superb example of how a small minority is able to exert so much pressure on Linden Lab (and government in general). Imagine a thousand Nannies within the SL population and you get the idea. Imagine a million of them in your own country and all begins to make sense. The great irony is that everyone came to SL to get away from the Nannies.

As I've put out a general call to Nany, to state what her ideas as to how this should occur are, it's only fair that I post mine in turn:

1) Phase out "Free" accounts. SLOWLY.

2) Implement a "Trial" account; Creating one requires payment information. It has restrictions (May only build in "Trial" areas; No more grief alts coming in without retribution, has only a limited L$ balance, may only recall Library objects from inventory and cannot rez its own inventory-stored creations until it's not 'Trial' anymore), but loses all restrictions when an arbitrary fee is paid through its payment info, with a clear message for credit statements/whatever of "Second Life 18+ Verification" or similar.

3) Leave existing PG definitions alone. Leave existing Mature definitions alone. Create a new 'XTREME' definition which throws the content restrictions entirely out the window; Defining them is impossible. You can't define "obscene" or "adult" or "violent" or even "sexual" from one culture to the next. Mature is fine as it is for "adult" and "sexual" and "violent". Relegate "obscene" and everything else not acceptable to TOS into a wholly voluntary "XTREME" category. Leave "XTREME" to private estates; We pay $295 a month for glorified server hosting. Therefore, the account is our problem as we're the paying provider to our private users in our private space.

4) Redefine the estate owner's agreement to leave responsibility for policing estate hosted content to estate owners. You're on your own, it's your world and your imagination.

5) Phase out old blocks of mainland. Phase in a PG continent and an M continent, or at least make geographical divides. It's been proven the two don't coexist and G-Team doesn't effectively enforce either definition.

6) Phase out Aristotle IDV. Integrity has no integrity. Rely on TOS and the above-mentioned "YOU ARE BUYING ADULT SERVICES" message on a billing statement. TOS is legally binding and should be more than enough on its own to absolve LL of legal action.

7) For the love of pete, stop trying to brand us professionals as the ones who want this. We want it less than the majority of your userbase because it stands a very real chance of damaging even non-L$-economy businesses seeking a place in SL.

that someone who started a discussion about slavery, slave outfits and collars some pages ago, is wearing an invisible collar and an invisible leash of his or her company...

Ya, ya, things are often more multicontextural connected than expected, i.e. work, job, business and slavery...

Four words for one status.

Some of us are here to fight for our rights, freedom of expression, or our businesses. But some are here undercover because it's their job.

Don't waste your time typing to her Lylani, This is the woman that implyed Gor somehow was a attack on her heritage.

She is probably also a member of the same native groups that came to Hawaii for a conference and when asked why they did not invite any of the hawaiian tribes, replies that they were not "real native americans"

I don't think spray is going to be enough...

zomg.. click on her name on the left, click 'view public profile', click 'Add to Ignore List.' There. Done.

i truly and honestly believe that this will be the death of me in sl.
we lost out on the gambling first time round,
we lost out on the open sims,
we lost out on the zorkmids,
we are going to lose out on this also and i bet the nice caring LL will raise prices across the board in july.
there is something deeper going on i feel, with LL taking over xstreet etc.
on a happier note open life grid will have commerce soon.
you people made this world, now the "lindens" are coming home.
choke on it, like i am.

i had figured the whole bloody point of haveing the 18 and over grid seperate from the 17 and younger grid was to prevent people like this 2-4% from getting on there high horses and telling everyone that this and that is wrong and just becuase they think it is it should be stoped its like that small amount forcing there opinion on the majority of us to be honest i think that even if it was 1 person in sl that didnt agree with this then it shouldnt be done im saying this is people trying to force there opinions on us its our world our game there have to be rules yes but not an overabundance ive seen it happen before if you lindens truly do inact this to the full scale you are implying you will see a host of more greifers less acounts and a more boreing expereince for all of us i work for the SL F.B.I and i can tell from experience from some of the sims ive been in the more you try to restrict people especialy uneeded restrictions the more prone they are to violateing the rules and creating problems out of mere spite and disrespect for the rules it serves no purposes but to create more greifers for me and my colleagues