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Argent Stonecutter
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03-22-2009 16:01
From: Blondin Linden
The G Team would be an obvious choice as they've had the most experience doing it.
That's what worries a lot of people. The G Team has made some strange "final calls" in the past.
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Blondin Linden
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03-22-2009 16:02
From: Matthew Dowd
Is it?

OK, if it was advertising itself all over classifieds then perhaps.

But if someone had built themselves a private home but themed that home on a 19th century wild west brothel - would the intent still be so clear?

Suppose someone had built a reproduction of a 19th century brothel for educational purposes and advertised that in classifieds (but didn't actually offer or engage in any pixel sex in it) - would the intent still be so clear?

Matthew


Regardless of theme, a brothel that participates in sex still has an overtly sexual purpose. If it is a reproduction of an historic brothel with no sex play, then the purpose / intent changes from sexual to educational.
Argent Stonecutter
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03-22-2009 16:02
From: Nany Kayo
Second Life is a work environment for many people, hopefully more in the future.
Then they need to stay in "P" (professional) rated sims. The dress code in SL is not "Business Casual".
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Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:03
From: Argent Stonecutter
What does that have to do with anything?

SL does not have a "Business Casual" dress code.



Many of the businesses here do, actually.
Ciaran Laval
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03-22-2009 16:04
From: Nany Kayo
Many of the businesses here do, actually.


So if someone is working for that business they adhere to the dress code. That doesn't mean someone has to go around in business dress all day long and people who don't work for that business have absolutely no reason to conform to that dress code.
Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
Then they need to stay in "P" (professional) rated sims. The dress code in SL is not "Business Casual".


Actually, businesses need full access to as broad a market as possible. Better to make the most public view of SL rated professional.
Blondin Linden
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03-22-2009 16:06
I have to take off for a bit. Time for dinner. :-) I'll try to be back later tonight but tomorrow at the latest.
Argent Stonecutter
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03-22-2009 16:06
From: Nany Kayo
Many of the businesses here do, actually.
SL does not have a "business casual" dress code. There are businesses where you're expected to dress in theme, be that Gorean, furry, or robot. That doesn't mean that SL has a "no humans" dress code.
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Matthew Dowd
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03-22-2009 16:06
From: Blondin Linden
Regardless of theme, a brothel that participates in sex still has an overtly sexual purpose.


but surely a sex bed in a private home also has an overtly sexual purpose, and yet you've said that doesn't have to move to the adult continent. Surely the same applies to a brothel intended as a private residence?

From: someone
If it is a reproduction of an historic brothel with no sex play, then the purpose / intent changes from sexual to educational.


Agreed - but will everyone realise that intent, or will it get ARed by someone who misinterprets the intent, or by someone who assumes that all brothels (with sexual intent or not) should be on the adult content.

If ARed will the G-Team realise that the intent is not sexual (and I'm afraid that their track record does not inspire confience here).

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Argent Stonecutter
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03-22-2009 16:07
From: Nany Kayo
Actually, businesses need full access to as broad a market as possible. Better to make the most public view of SL rated professional.
That would mean you couldn't wear Native American dress in public.
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Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:07
From: Ciaran Laval
So if someone is working for that business they adhere to the dress code. That doesn't mean someone has to go around in business dress all day long and people who don't work for that business have absolutely no reason to conform to that dress code.


Well, it would mean you shouldn't show up in their lobby with no pants on. In this case, the front door of Second Life is their lobby. That is the lobby to their business.
Ceera Murakami
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03-22-2009 16:08
From: Blondin Linden
The G Team would be an obvious choice as they've had the most experience doing it.
And who could we appeal to if the arbitrary decision of the G-Team seems dead wrong? Like their arbitrary decisions to restrict depiction of child avatars at the SL 5th Birthday celebration, where they went so far off the deep end as to declare in inappropriate to display an image of an SL mother and daughter, both dressed toes to ankles and wrists in formal Japanese Kimonos? Merely because they decided, on a whim, that "No image displayed at SL5B shall show a child avatar and an adult avatar in the same image, in ANY context whatsoever."? Sorry, the G-Team already flunked the test at least once for being able to make rational and reliable decisions on what is and is not appropriate content in-world.



The above is an image the G-team found "Objectionable" at SL5B, until massive public protest forced a policy reversal. Sorry, I want someone else arbitrating "intent" for adult content in-world. The G-team is incapable of it.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-22-2009 16:09
From: Nany Kayo
Actually, businesses need full access to as broad a market as possible. Better to make the most public view of SL rated professional.


You're talking about reach. A business can reach all of SL whilst being in a no adult content location where their visitors and workers won't be offended by the neighbour.
Bith Wierwight
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03-22-2009 16:10
From: Nany Kayo
Actually, businesses need full access to as broad a market as possible. Better to make the most public view of SL rated professional.


Who cares what businesses need? I hate, hate, HATE being referred to as a "consumer." Businesses are destroying our culture IMO.
Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:12
From: Argent Stonecutter
SL does not have a "business casual" dress code. There are businesses where you're expected to dress in theme, be that Gorean, furry, or robot. That doesn't mean that SL has a "no humans" dress code.


In a metaphoric sense, the dress code is the code of appropriate public conduct. It isn't clothing per se, it's a way of presenting yourself in public. The dress code we are talking about is the code that conceals so called "adult" content. We are talking about a business casual code that conceals explicitly sexual or violent content.
Ciaran Laval
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03-22-2009 16:13
From: Nany Kayo
In a metaphoric sense, the dress code is the code of appropriate public conduct. It isn't clothing per se, it's a way of presenting yourself in public. The dress code we are talking about is the code that conceals so called "adult" content. We are talking about a business casual code that conceals explicitly sexual or violent content.


it's called the community standards and it already exists.
Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:16
From: Ciaran Laval
You're talking about reach. A business can reach all of SL whilst being in a no adult content location where their visitors and workers won't be offended by the neighbour.


The Adult Content policy will achieve that. A business or other organization like a school will be able to reach all of SL without their clients or staff being offended by explicitly "adult" content.
Nany Kayo
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03-22-2009 16:17
From: Ciaran Laval
it's called the community standards and it already exists.


Looks like SL is going to improve on them. : ) Hope so.
Katheryne Helendale
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03-22-2009 16:17
From: Blondin Linden
The G Team would be an obvious choice as they've had the most experience doing it.
Would this perchance happen to be the same G Team responsible for policing the PG Welcome Areas?
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-22-2009 16:18
From: Nany Kayo
Well, it would mean you shouldn't show up in their lobby with no pants on. In this case, the front door of Second Life is their lobby. That is the lobby to their business.
Most businesses set up their own islands and their customers teleport directly to them from the login page.
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TLMars Bookmite
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03-22-2009 16:19
From: Nany Kayo
Do you see anybody wearing that stuff at work on a job that pays more than minimum wage?


Yes.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-22-2009 16:19
From: Nany Kayo
The Adult Content policy will achieve that. A business or other organization like a school will be able to reach all of SL without their clients or staff being offended by explicitly "adult" content.


No it won't, it's not going anywhere far enough to achieve that and nor should it. The solution is to have a continent where adult content isn't allowed, the business can still advertise to all of the Second Life populace.
Ceera Murakami
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03-22-2009 16:20
From: Nany Kayo
Second Life is a work environment for many people, hopefully more in the future.
And for those businesses, in their sim, or on their land, they can declare a dress code if they choose. That is their right. But their right to do that stops at their property line. On the street outside IBM's offices, their dress code has absolutely no effect on people who are not even employed by them. In the nigtclubs downtown, they have no authority, even over their own employees when they are "not on company time". Their lobby is on their land, not all of SL. Not unless they buy Linden Lab, to the last server.

If you want a sanitized version of SL that you control the morality of, but your own sim, and make it non-Public. Stay there, and invite only those guests you approve of. You have no right to impose your opinions on all of SL.
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Sindy Tsure
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03-22-2009 16:20
From: Argent Stonecutter
From: Blondin Linden
The G Team would be an obvious choice as they've had the most experience doing it.

That's what worries a lot of people. The G Team has made some strange "final calls" in the past.

Well, they did suspend that notorious trouble maker Carl Metropolitan for an hour..
Katheryne Helendale
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03-22-2009 16:22
From: Nany Kayo
Actually, businesses need full access to as broad a market as possible.
And if more than half that market is locked away on a limited-access continent?
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