Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

There are some people who have no sense of what is or is not appropriate public behavior.

[EDIT: hence the need to keep them out of public view.]

And you do? Whew, problem solved.

Yes but with an international user base, we must think outside of simply what Americans find objectionable. We should also keep in mind that even though something may be considered ADULT, it must still adhere to the Community Standards outlined here: http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

I mentioned the US because I'm more familiar with the US. From what I have heard, European societies are even more offended by slavery than Americans are. Asians may be more sensitive to it still.

[I guess the Africans don't matter, or we wouldn't even be asking this question.]

I imagined that when i started here. In 03 when SL was small and very different and i didn't have time to really get into it then and spent only a few months then and so the first time i left was due to this RL thing getting in the way and having to go away for 2 years with the military, when i came back SL was growing and i just signed up for my annual premium the day i rezzed back in world and got my First Land, that was when it was L$1 a sq mtr for noobie premium accounts, but that and many other things have been slowly taken away bit by bit and most here do abide by the rules but LL just like changing them as they go as it suits their purpose. Thats not to say all Lindens are bad BTW as there are some great Lindens here and they do care, but as in any big company their hands are tied in so many ways.



Well unless you know a good lawyer that will do it for free and has a firm grasp on all this stuff but seriously LL knows they can just about do what they want and there is not much we can actually do about it except moan and perhaps try and work when possible to get the best deal available from them




SL to me is apart from the cheapest worldwide real time advertising and a place where we can actually interact in a 3d world with our members of our website it is also the same to me, a magnificent tool that enables me to interact with with other people and cultures in a way myspace or facebook will never achieve, i even thought that it would be an ideal environment for different cultures which could come together without the barriers that exist in RL where we could learn from each other even.



I am in total agreement with you SL is a fantastic place not RL but a great escape where you can do all you say and more. Sometimes i wonder where LL is heading with SL as we all have built and developed this fantastic world even with all its little faults and quirks and yes i will be sorry to see people i know leave because of all this but i will stay and accept that LL does have the final say in all this and always remember that SL is not a democracy but a dictatorship and its sole aim is for us to make it money .... hmmm sounds like the governments in RL around the world.

But even though i run adult content and this affects me directly and the many others that are moaning here, we will still be here in the coming months i am sure and doing the same thing when LL does something similar again until the point is reached when we have a mass exodus to the new 3rd life grid, but who knows, i just enjoy what time i do have here and the friends that i have met and even those that i have enjoyed disagreeing with on the forums, because our opinions differ. Thats what makes SL special to me.



LOL now we know its all your fault with your karma



and back to you as well

I have seen many venues in SL explicitly ban depictions of slavery because it drives business away.

You throw around the term 'slavery' without any consideration of how it may be used by other people. Even within the BDSM community, 'slavery' can mean many things. You really must avoid dogmatic statements about lifestyles you really don't understand. I'm sorry for being so direct, but you represent the whole problem with LL's hopeless attempt to classify the wide range of human social relationships into a rigid legal formula.

Welcome to Second Life, where rule enforcement is selective at best, nonexistent at worst, and where if LL's lack of rule enforcement causes something to break, they just simply change all the rules.

Since when has this been reclassified as adult content in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_Commandments_(1956_film)

What if they're roleplaying? You're losing all sense of persective here.

Oh, God; here we go again!

That's not ongoing. Nor does it glorify or glamorize slavery.

Censorship and segregation. These are the only acts of violence on Second Life that we have no control over.

I can choose to go to New Jessie and have fantasy combat, or I can choose not to.

I can choose to go to a Bukkake Bliss and have fantasy sex, or I can choose not to.

I can choose to go to Hard Alley, or a Gor sim and have fantasy rape and/or capture, or I can choose not to.

I can not choose whether to be censored or segregated. I can not choose whether to be forced out of my land because your company is hell bent on alienating its customers. The only real acts of violence on Second Life are committed by Linden Labs. You can choose not to, but will you?

In a RP situation i would say no as its consensual and many of the Gor sims are better policed and managed than the WA's. On the violence well after 2 years in the middle east with the military nothing here would i consider violent again its consensual what happens in SL with regards to RP and not even as bad as anyone can see on the TV. Remember most of us here are adults but the diversity of culture here will make this a hard task indeed.

The issue is not doing it in public.

You can give your dog a blowjob in the privacy of your own home, for all I care. I just don't want my guests to see it unless you and they have an explicit agreement for them to watch.

I think the question is a bit disingenuous, frankly, Blondin. You seem to be asking about involuntary slavery, which is beyond objectionable and, outrageously, seems to have suffered a worldwide resurgence in recent times. But that is not what one sees depicted in SL.

The real issue here is the dom/sub community. Today, one does not have to go very far afield in SL to see examples of dom/sub "play" or products. I don't find such 'extremely violent', but I do see it as explicitly sexual. I think all dom/sub practitioners, whatever their particular variety of it, would agree that it is Adult behavior. Are you suggesting that it is beyond Adult behavior, and should be banned from SL? Until they created their own forums, the D/S community was fairly vocal here in your forums - vocal enough to make one believe that they are present in disproportionately large numbers in SL. That makes sense, since they came to SL as a fairly cohesive group from IRC chat.

Getting rid of them would be interesting, indeed! I hope you'll provide lots of popcorn, if that's on the agenda.
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That is their prerogative. It is their land and their business. Many businesses purchase island estates in order to limit the social behavior of their tenants and customers. Each of us has land management tools to regulate access to our parcels. Nany, you must stop playing God and let people decide for themselves how best to manage their affairs.

As what? Political protest? Re-enactment for historical education? Role-play for empathy and understanding?

I object to Alex Haley's "Roots"! It reminds me of the horrible past of my country. I am afraid I will find out my family were slave owners! Burn the books! Arrange them in a cross shape to do it! Send a message we have community standards! I will not STAND for people understanding their cultural history! I cannot abide empowering an oppressed class! I refuse to allow my fellow US citizens to learn enough to face the bad acts of our forefathers! Remove the education from my sight!

See the problem?

- Kyle

Inches or centimeters? I could never wrap my head around the metric system. Guess which country I'm from



Anything with chocolate and peanut butter.



The majority of the combat sims would fall into that category. I would consider extreme violence to be things like torture. Can anyone here make an argument where torture would not be considered extremely violent?

You resort to vulgarity that would get you banned from your own utopia.

Virtual depictions of chocolate and peanut butter ice cream are torture if you don't have any in your RL fridge.

Thank you for asking simply and directly in this post and the one preceeding it Blondin. I hope that you will get simple, direct, and reasonable replies so that you all can draw the lines clearly.

You did try eariler to make some distinctions. That helped me assess what side of the line I would be on. I personally appreciate that.

It may be challenging with Role play situations which I don't personally particiapte in so don't feel I can comment on. I feel I can only comment on imagery.

To answer your question; personally SL violence of any kind is not offensive to me. It's not like RL. But, I believe (whether some of us agree or not) that Nany Kayo's opinion is that of the average general population in SL or in RL.

It seemed "blood" was the difference in that much eariler post you had made - what made the difference between Mature & Adult. Maybe that is where you should draw the line?

While I don't find violence offensive as I said. I DO believe that those of us who mix sex & violence belong classified Adult. Slavery, even concentual should be classified Adult.

Most people are able to detect the fundamental values of the society they live in without a formula. Rules and laws are enacted for the ones who lack that ability, the ones who can't tell the difference between what is appropriate and what is not.

For anyone who is low on information on this subject - in regards to sexual slavery/BDSM, please be respectful and take some time to read up on the lifestyle you may be about to comment on. Thank you.

I can suggest a few good, easy to digest URLs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsm.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_and_submission


..oh, and please don't feed the troll.

(P.S. yes, these links may contain what you may deem adult content, but I chose them carefully for their low calorie count)

The problem is, contrary to Ms. Kayo's opinion, what one person finds offensive, others might not; and vice versa.

I will not attempt to speak for anybody else here. What do *I* consider offensive? Vocal minorities pushing their social and moral agendas on the population at large. I also find discrimination and segregation offensive. Beyond that, there is very little that actually offends me, particularly if I have the power to simply walk away if I do not like what I am seeing.

Your proposed method of segregating everything generally considered offensive is fundamentally flawed. While it addresses the issue of protecting people who choose not to associate with "adult" content from encountering it, it does absolutely nothing to protect individuals who DO choose to participate in *specific* adult activities but find *other specific* adult activities offensive.

What part of your plan allows ME, a professional strip-dancer, from encountering, say, Gorean activities? What protects ME if my activities require me to locate to the adult continent, if I find my neighbors openly practicing bestiality in their front lawn offensive? Once everything that can be deemed offensive by somebody has all been relegated to Pornodelphia, what is to protect them from each other?