Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Very wrong hun.

No avatar that does not give payment information on file would be banned form all adult lands.

So it definately effect my sims. It effects all private estates that rely on free account to rent plots and help pay teir, donate to the sim, buy goods, tip, etc.

They are not moving any estates. Just ppl on the mainland.


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ps; found the faq's I was looking for;
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032

Yeah I see where we got off track a bit there. I was referring to moving of ppl from one sim to another. In that respect this new continent; will not affect estate owners. Not the whole age verification issue; that has always been a joke. I don't expect that to change. Sure that part of this issue will affect us all.

Hope we all are clear now

Considering that 99% of the population are adults, this could be a bit of a problem

(Before commenting, please read my post "Sanity, Not Sanitation"

Catherine Cotton, this change will affect private estates, hence why it is an issue for me. They intend to require estate-level flagging. In other words, owing to a 1024m parcel with a sex shop (interchange 'sex shop' with 'whatever business gets declared Adult') on it, an entire sim (or estate; Estate can be as large as hundreds of sims) must be declared 'Adult'. For private estates, it's worse than the mainland, which is affected parcel by parcel. Private estates in their original wording are affected as an entire estate without the option to flag only a single sim.

Not acceptable.

its not as simple as that.......Estateowners have to flag their Estate not individual sims..

.....but lets say you only own 1 sim and 50% of your land has Mature rated residents and the other 50% are Adult rated.....what do you do? Who goes?

Maybe the Mature residents have friends that are not verified, so a Adult rating would be detrimental. If it's rated Mature, the Adult content residents would either have to change their content or move to a region that is flagged for Adult content......so they could end up having to move just like Mainland Residents.

In my post further up on this page, i also explained what happens to an Estate like Fantasyland which has around 800 sims and would contain an element of Adult rated resdients on them.......you can't rate by SiM nor rate by parcel according to what LL have stated so far.

FYI - search ursula on the SL map. Is this the new adult continent? Access denied currently, but it has some builds (see Ursula 80) and a road network.

or..
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ursula%2080/127/162/200

When can we get a tour? What are the builds?

(quick tally of what's visible: 253 SIMs, 253x40 avatars max = 10,120 concurrent avatars - anticipating a maximum hold of up to 1/8th of the average online userbase? hmm)

Yeah they started building that continent BEFORE the Blog announcment.....i mapped it on the same day as the blog announement....and it already had a bunch of SIMs. Its grown since then.

I first saw it mentioned in a forum posting several weeks ago, when a smart observer noticed its creation....it was assumed it was going to be just another mainland continent. Now we know!

what the fuck?

Like it or naught sexual content has been a part of SL since the very begining. A lot of clubs had escorts as a service. Not defending or attacking its a simple fact. And 2%-4% is a joke. Sex beds and such are all over the place. THIS IS FAR FROM NEW. Also I been in SL since 2004 and there has always been mature land areas and filters as well. Filters for excluding searches for "adult content" is fine but that is already an option its called mature. Also I saw in one of the FAQ responses about combat sims. Saying combat sims will not be affected that they would be under a "mature" setting. It further compared that to a rated R movie. But it excluded blood and gore that would be considered adult??? hello think some lindens need to go rent Friday the 13th or even Dreamscape one of the first PG13 movies. Hell just watch the show heroes and they show a cheerleader with her skin pulled back. If people want to avoid mature content just avoid mature areas. Most the adult content is obvious. Lindens are famous for contradicting themselves in the same breath.

Devils advocate time: If people are offended by cartoon nudity or cartoon "violence" then why not be offended by say a gay club, or furries, vampires, or child avatars. Ban all them. shipping people on a boat for freedom of expression is a horrible precident.

In part it almost seems like a scam to force people to dump land and buy new land. Just like last summer when they publicly had an employee declare some loophole gambling systems as being legal which resulted in people buying sims, money transfers etc. then reversing it 30 days later. Its not likely there will be an exchange of land or property values.

Relocation is a horrible idea and a potential lawsuit for LL. Better approach would be a G rating since adult content already is covered under the mature rating with a filter and everything. What's next instant bans if you say a curse word in chat?

Anyone that says its a recent issue for adult material in SL is a complete noob or an idiot. It's been here since 2004 and the escort probably just like in RL is SL's first profession. Right or wrong its been here all along. age verification makes sense. A higher than mature rating makes sense. Perhaps just use the movie rating system. and use ban lines for areas around areas people don't want to go to on accident if they are set to avoid "adult material" or violence whatever that means. There is no violence in SL its all video game "violence". Want to go see violence go to a war zone in RL.

Another idea for that is objects could be set for ratings like land is. I know one of the open source optional viewers out there has a option for visual muting. Like an ad sign in front of your house you can "mute" it so you dont see it anymore.

Hang on everyone the slope is about to get slippery!!!!

Kimberly I have no problem with child avatars myself but they can very easily ban child avatars as well with this kind of thing. And your not 5 in RL a 5 year old wasnt exposed to naked 3d cartoon characters just because you role play that you are. Some people find child avatars in SL more disturbing given SL always has had mature content all over. They can go and ban child avatars, furries, vampires etc and so on. Next lets have witchcraft, churches, and everything that might possibly offend anyone all sent to a small sim or two. Just would end up with 95% of SL crammed in those sims and the rest would be a empty waste land except for the occassional fake forrest

Not sure but I am guessing they are including the huge amount of abandon land and land for sale in that.

Excelent points very simple things can be done just maybe redo the rating system to include a few other ratings similar to the TV or movie rating system so people can filter out what they choose to filter out the way you can on cable TV. Also visual muting is another option. If things are all inside a building people that are playing peeping camera tom into your areas really have no right to be offended. Maybe put something in the viewer to restrict camera movement so they can't go through mature parcels. We alreayd have ban lines but I can poke my camera into my neighbors house whenever I wanted to ban lines or not.

Also being an american the whole relocation thing is HIGHLY disturbing. I get images of the old west and indian tribes being marched to reservations etc.

looks a bit like Europe, with Great Britain/England at west, separated through a small channel. Some green points jumping around on it. Moles...

Strange buildings in the middle, kind of big rivers, much stones and mountains (alps?) at south-east.

I wonder where my 3 sides protected waterfront is reserved for me, and an additional one side protected waterfront for the shop of my friends on another region there lol, if we have to move away from our actual lots on very quiet regions with just a few small homes and one shop on it.

I have a feeling, that not each and everyone will get an equal place for free in exchange for all what will be lost. They cannot manage this for thousands of individuals and former places and environments to provide exact equal environment with exact equal conditions for anyone who will have to move. And all the work for landscaping, rebuilding, new advertising and for catching customers back... o.O.

If Ursula will be the so called adult zone, it will be all a mess, because this is impossible to manage - it looks more like a penalty zone, a kafkaeske thing with ghetto-feeling and we will be left there alone with all troubles on our shoulders and in our pockets...

Thingy looks nice enough to create a whole PG zone for all puritans. On the website they could create a button and a landing-slurl: "entry only for puritans".

Honestly its this kind of thing that comes out of LL just makes all kinds of businesses want to pull out of SL because you never know when they will pull the rug from under your feet. The new policy proposal isnt dangerous because people will try to go around it. Thats a given anyway like the speakeasies that emerged after the games of chance ban. Also for those of us who been in SL for a while always associated the mature rating with the possibility of seeing topless dancers and such. Bone head moves like these from LL is what makes people lose confidence in SL as a whole! And really its why SL is such a huge camping bot filled leach fest.

How about not violating peoples freedom of expression and speach and not have key words excluded in searches. Except if the individual selects those keywords to avoid themselves viewer side or select whole catagories perhaps. also have objects have ratings individually by say using the movie rating or tv rating system. the tv might be better since its more specific. And say someone has an adult or X rated prim texture up it could be visually muted or made invisible on the person that doesnt want to see that sort of thing or isnt age verified. There is a alternate viewer that does have visual muting as they called it. It would have solved tons if that was a standard feature for the old ad issues.

Basically make it more like how television is now using the smart chip. That actually allowed more interesting television with more diverse content because people could filter out what they didnt want to show up on their television.

For me it makes sense instead of limiting peoples freedom of expression and speach that instead empower the individual to exclude it on the viewer end of things. Everyone is happy nobody is offended and no forced marches to Adult content Reservations. Simple. I am not a big fan of seeing prim Peni about but at the same time I find it hugely more offensive to dictate to others what their freedom expressions should be because of a tiny few might object.

Actually the moveing people is only one aspect, all us sim owners will have to tag wholke estates adult, not a sim, or a plot, but the whole damn estate adult if there is any adult matieral in one polot on one sim in the estate.

How much outcry does there need to be before you Lindens reconsider?

Volountarily mark places as adult. Volountarily (or locked by a parent) switch off access to adult areas. Would reduce the problem big time and wouldn't involve all that age verification.

There are many other solutions.

I'm totally against this change - it's an idea which could have come from the chinese government. If you really want to mirror rights like they are in first life you cannot go ahead with such totalitarian undemocratic change. It doesn't fly.

LMAO no i am not a Linden alt and no LL pays me nothing and if you had of read all my posts you would also see as an adult content provider here and in RL i am against the change in many ways, however i am a realist as are many others here and after you have been here a few years you will probably be more realistic in what you expect from LL. I know adult material is not illegal in most countries however SL evolves over time and those that don't or won't evolve with it will move on to other things.

This is not a democracy its a company and this seems to be already set in stone by LL reading their posts and over time business will pick back up it always does and if it doesn't well as i say, Thats just life

I think the point she was trying to make was that LL has far bigger problems than someone erecting a 400m phallus when a major flaw in the program code allows people to end up naked in a highly public, PG place through no fault of their own.

I can certainly relate to her experience. If I had a Linden for every time I got thrust in Newbieville while in various states of undress because LL, in their infinite wisdom, decided to TP people to infohubs when their home point isn't available (a crashed sim, for example), I'd be very rich.

Now, let's think about this problem for a second. LL is trying to move anything that can possibly offend someone away from public view (okay, maybe not that extreme, but you know what they say about slippery slopes). Nudity is not permitted in PG sims. What message are we sending to newbies who, the moment they migrate from Newbie Island to mainland, see naked people standing around? Worse - naked children!

Also, put yourself in the shoes of these people who, through no fault of their own, end up getting thrust naked at an Infohub because their sim crashed. While standing there, naked, on a PG sim, fighting lag scrambling to either find something to wear real fast or a landmark so they can tp the hell out of there, some prude or griefer decides to AR the poor person for being naked on a PG sim!

Very messy. too many verification problems for my EU and non USA friends. Plus MANY SL users will dislike the idea of linking personal id information with their avatars. Let's face it, whether only LL sees it or not, this is a computer base with the very good possibilty of getting hacked and I for one do not care to add to any ID headache issues along with privacy issues. NO THANKS.

Keep the teen and under 18 areas seperate and allow parents the ability to block the adult world from their child's use. They should be doing their jobs as parents. This game, just like TV cant and shoudnt double as a babysitter.

This is an ONLINE game with the potential for MULTI worlds. Create a complete world for the younger kids with no adult content of any kind. Very possible. Have seen this "possibility" with other worlds.

I for one do not care to have *all my alts verified, not that there are many but good heavens just to visit a friend in a mature sim I'd need to be verified ? When I decide to sell items I'd need to be verified ? Let's get serious very few of us make a serious killing on SL to quanlify the problems of going thru ID checks. Does LL realize how many users will find it quite easy to simply get up and go ? There are many online world creators ready to grab the SL refugees.

SL is not RL! Never was, and should never be. SL is fantasy. If there are individuals who don't like free fantasy, then let them go elsewhere. Otherwise, the few narrow minded people will get to force their "morality" on the entire population of SL. I know that is how RL works, but SL is not RL. We come here to SL to escape RL for a brief time. Trying to force SL to mimic RL is just plain wrong. There are too many examples of hard core conservatives forcing their ideals on entire populations in RL. Make no mistakes, this is what is being attempted in SL. Just as their wrong thinking is driving RL into massive world wide disaster, their wrong anal retentive right wing attempts to command behavior in SL will only damage SL.

A most useful post by Akira (currently @ #1085, /352/01/312352/44.html#post2363826). Some real information about what happens on "clean" Mainland.
I think there's another point about this: If we think it's bad now, once all the "free sex" places are out of reach--most of the clientele are surely NPIOF and won't be verified--where do we suppose they'll congregate for their activities? Do we imagine they'll just magically disappear from SL?

And suppose they expand from the Welcome Areas, InfoHubs, and public sandboxes onto my Mature parcel: When they get caught in mass pixel-humping on my sub-Adult land, who gets dinged with the AR?

However there will be people on estate land who will be told by the estate owner that they have to move and those guys are not going to get any help from Linden Lab as the policy currently stands. If it's an estate level flag as has been suggested there will be estate owners who don't want to flag their whole estate as adult, even if it's an island level flag the same scenario will arise.

As for moving estates anyway, why not offer that option? This would surely be similar to the united sailing sims, if an estate wants to be near Ursula wouldn't that be a good thing for all concerned?

I will assume for now that this has nothing to do with merging the grids or allowing teens to access the main grid. I will also not have a pop at those who would prefer their SL to be an entirely PG affair. I don't want to be judged for my morality, so I won't judge them either.

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Let's start with the "cons" (in no particular order) ...

If adult content is still allowed on Mature parcels as long as it's in a private residence or in a shop whose main focus is not adult then it could still be accidentally encountered by people who would be offended by it.

There is no easy way of defining what is a private residence.

LL are unable to police their own PG areas for adult content as it is.

Search filters don't work properly as it is.

Profiles are not policed properly as it is.

Many staff in Adult businesses are NPIOF as they earn all their money in-game. There will be staffing problems.

2-4% (or is it 4-6%? I can't keep up) is a vast underestimate of the number of places that will be affected.

Adult venues tend to use up a lot of shared resources. Placing them all together will cause a lot of lag.

RL businesses and educational institutions prefer private islands as a way of making their experience "predictable".

We will never reach agreement on what constitutes Adult content.

Trying to offer people like-for-like land swaps is unrealistic - it's a different continent with different terrain.

This will further depress an already flat land market and the current mature mainland will become even more of an empty, yellow-mapped wasteland.

Adult business owners will suffer from loss of customers as NPIOF avatars cannot access their content and all their landmarks, traffic rankings and profile picks will be broken.

Adult businesses will no longer be able to use profile picks at all as a way of increasing search ranking.

People will play the system by putting up adult businesses now in order to take advantage of the free land swap, perhaps then flipping the new Adult land as soon as they have moved.

More Adult content will be attracted into SL once there is a dedicated continent.

Many people have a mixture of PG, Mature and adult content on their land. They do not want to split up their business, neither do they want to be forced to move all their content to Adult land.

A large number of people who rent land (often to run adult businesses) are NPIOF. Fewer renters means less profits for landlords.

Many people who will have to move have taken years setting up their builds with content owned by a variety of individuals and groups on a patchwork of different parcels. Moving will create logistical nightmares for these people.

Many people who will have to move share their SL lives with those who can't or won't verify or those for whom a move to the adult continent would be inappropriate (child avatars). This will break up SL families.

We haven't had a straight answer about what the "research" which led to this decision actually consisted of. For all we know, it stems from the log-in question "would you like your SL experience to be more predictable?". If this is the case then it's the most underhand piece of "research" I have ever seen.

Loss of business for the Adult sector will have a domino effect on the whole SL economy.

People who stay behind on Mature land will fear being AR'd for their activities.

GTeam cannot be relied upon to police any of this in a consistent manner.

Estate owners will be required to flag their entire estate, which could be 100's of sims, just for one small parcel of adult content.

This will create a black market of hidden adult activity aimed at NPIOF residents.

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And the "pros" ...


ummm .....


no, sorry, I really can't think of any.


LL, if it is AT ALL possible, please listen to the overwhelming message of these threads and rethink this hugely unpopular and unworkable policy. Many people have suggested more workable alternatives such as creating a voluntary PG continent instead.