Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I'll be honest....we've reached over 1000 posts and its been very interesting, lots of great contributions from so many people....

.....but i think its a done deal and LL are going down the Adult Continent route no matter if another 10,000 posts were added all voicing their objections to the change. If you consider the language being used by the Lindens on this forum...all their quotes & replies are using the "past tense" indicating that the decision has already been made. Then when you lump in those 2 or 3 News articles that are reporting LL cleaning up the grid and making the experience more "predictable".....you can see that the writing on the wall.
Just to rub salt into the wounds, todays blog shows a RL business using this platform for a meeting (furfilling M's vision)

These forums or feedbacks are actually a farce or a smokescreen, whichever way you want to view it. LL can PR this exercise as getting feedback from its Customer base....it won't say that 90%+ were against their proposals (if you did a count on all the posts on the 6 threads).....it merely helps LL do their job for them. From all the feedback they will be able to construct a definitive listing of what is allowed and what isn't allowed......but the end result is pre-determined!

Lastly you have to wonder why LL won't publish a message on the Login Screen with a link to the Blog that also contains foreign translated versions of the original......that way its entire community can read about the impending changes and make their own decisions.

What are they afraid of?

in defence of linden..

it is a done deal >BUT< this post is about how to go about it.. like, how people want the land trade to go, not if the land trade will happen.. i'm kinda in the middle on this whole thing and as long as linden is willing to trade land for adult land i dont see what everyones problem is, at first i was shocked but now it's all sounding like a bunch of conspericy theorists, what's next? is linden going to personally kill your first born?

before you go tearing all over the internet like this was some kind of linden cloverfield, wait for an official word on how the land trade and verification system is going to happen.

Everyone should be emailed, never mind having login screen messages, this is a big change.

As for it being a done deal, the original FAQ's were pulled after protest with LL saying something along the lines of "Whoops, these are work in progress" but they weren't just plucked out of thin air and enough senior Linden's approved them for them to be linked to from the blog.

The fact that they've gone back to the drawing board does imply there's some flexibility.

The land trade is one issue but not the main one...the land trade swaps is one thing, having 3 sex clubs on the same sim viaing for the same resources could be a biggie.
The non-accessibilty for so many who choose not ot verify for whatever personal reasons, plus the NPIOF of people working in the adult sectors are the 2 aspects that concern me most.....plus its impact on the whole economy thereafter.

Not concerning Ursula and not concerning Adult Content as a new category.....you wanna wager a bet?

If there are any concessions going to made....i think it will be regarding Estate sims

Is that a LL figure or a samatha figure? just wondering as i tend to not believe a lot of figures chucked around these forums, i rather prefer raw data from reliable sources.

But thats just me

Great we need to go back to pre unverified accounts thats for sure



Everyone should if they want the adult services put PIOF as there are bound to be teens etc. already on the grid and ensuring everyone verifies ensures they get caught out and moved to the teen grid



If everyone does it then it shows the press that LL is serious about the changes

Durn tootin' and let's review the COMMON SENSE aspect to this problem. [.. good points]

That is a purchased stat figure

Sorry disagree. The people already here with no payment info, came here under certain rules. They bought houses, rented land, bought millions of dollars of product between them. Hell some of them even rent entire sims and run rp areas.

The Lindens made the rules up, they followed them. So why now should they have to be forced to do something many clearly do not want to do. Especailly when the Lindens have time and a gain stated they do not beleive there is a problem yet with teems on teh main grid.

What i propose is completely fair, the current users get rolled into a verified status because they are already here and join with certain rules the agreed to and followed. The new users all have to verify as per the new rules and come here with those rules in place.

after eading all the posts I see that everyone have many ideas how to make changes in SL. You say all those things only because LL wants the change but ask yourself: what is wrong with the current system? do we really need to change this so dramatically? Are you having problems with current system? Except some cosmetic changes and new features, do we really need to make any of the changes, do we really need to implement all those ideas?

As if to prove the point any further regarding M.Linden's vision.....we have this today on the Blogs


https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/grid/blog/2009/03/19/three-questions-for-diane-berry-ceo-of-tpma-on-an-event-in-second-life

"Document contains no data".

Which is why I don't bother with the new blog.

Three Questions for Diane Berry, CEO of TPMA on an Event in Second Life
Posted by Amanda Linden on Mar 19, 2009 12:29:16 PM

By now you’ve all read the IBM case study and know that internal meetings within Second Life work well. But, what happens when you have many people coming together from across the globe from different organizations? More importantly, what happens when nearly everyone attending has never set a virtual foot into Second Life? Well, the technical, cultural, and usability challenges can potentially cause an SL event to take a turn for the worst.

But, thankfully, when the Trade Promotion Management Associates, or TPMA held an event in Second Life last month for 160 attendees representing manufacturing, retail, and industry analyst firms, the event went off without a hitch—in great part to the work of Gronstedt Group, TPMA’s inworld partner. Gronstedt led all participants through a 30-minute training session and all speakers and exhibitors through a 60-minute training session to ensure that when the conference day arrived, everyone was ready to walk, talk, text chat, and participate in this new virtual event experience.
When I read this story in Virtual World News, I had to find out more. And, so, I asked Diane M. Berry, the CEO of the TPMA for her thoughts on how the event went. Here are three questions for Diane and her responses:

Amanda: “What was the most pleasantly surprising thing about your inworld meeting?”

Diane: “I was pleasantly surprised with our entire experience: First, the number of registrants who were interested in attending the TPMA Brownbag event on Second Life surpassed our expectations; second, our partnership with The Gronstedt Group, which made attendance easy through many training sessions for speakers, attendees and our staff, and using their “real estate,” an “island” on Second Life, as well as their creation of booths, etc.; and thirdly the lack of technical difficulties. We felt the conference went off without a hitch. I was also pleasantly surprised that, just as you have in a live meeting, at the end of our sessions we had people lingering in groups, chatting together. Our organizations foster collaboration between retailers and suppliers; this was highly valuable because it was highly collaborative.”

Amanda: “What was the most difficult or challenging aspect?”

Diane: “The Gronstedt Group removed I would say all of the technically challenging aspects. On the non-technical side, however, there is still a lack of knowledge and awareness of Second Life, so that was a bit of a hurdle for us with speakers and sponsors. That said, the novelty of introducing people to Second Life is very rewarding, both from a personal standpoint and from a thought-leadership, image standpoint for TPMA. One disappointment was not knowing precisely who was in attendance as attendees naturally used their avatar names; similarly, we had a bit more drop off from registration to attendance than one normally sees, most likely due to the complexity of registering, creating an avatar, and joining the meeting.”

Amanda: “Do you believe that the meeting was less productive/as productive/more productive than a real world meeting--in terms of the ideas, collaboration, and action plans? Tell me why.”

Diane: “I would say the TPMA meeting was more productive than any virtual conference our organizations, VCF and TPMA have attended or run, including webinars, because it is such an immersive experience; attendees have the responsibility of responding to their avatar’s surroundings, including other individuals, so there is some “social pressure” to pay attention. The entire experience approaches the value of an in-person meeting, but there really is no substitute for developing relationships through in-person, shared experiences, and I believe these must be mixed into every organization’s marketing program. In today’s difficult economic environment, it may be more viable for companies to run Second Life conferences which avoid the cost of travel and provide the closest thing I’ve experienced to an in-person meeting.”

Wow. Need I say more?

Big thanks to Diane at the TPMA and to Anders at Gronstedt.

It seems to lil ole me (insert simple accent of a southern lawyer) that the WHOLE thing could have been advoided in one simple EASY way. Ready? By actually taking responsibility for ENFORCING your own policies!! It becomes plain reading though these posts that IF problems e.g. griefers in Welcome Areas and Public Sandboxes were handled QUICKLY and efficiently that ALOT of the problems would NOT have come up. SOLUTION volunteer 'lindens' lets call them Deplinden with Banning powers could take out the problem (which of course COULD be addressed if it became apparent someone was ABUSING that power (if it could happen lets just say it WILL)). I'm SURE that there would be VOLUNTEERS for this (IMAGINE people PAYING you to to YOUR work!!) Then with that HUGE workload reduced when reports of innapropriate behavior in OTHER areas could be handled in a timely fashion because people would actually REPORT them with resonable expectations of them being solved, instead of becoming increasingly frustrated that "nothing is ever done anyway".

Forgive me readers if this has been tried and its failed 'before my time'.

The only rules here are called the TOS and hard as that is we all agreed to them before we spent a cent in here and what I am saying is that LL can change them at anytime they wish and not you me or anyone else can change that nor do anything about it. Lets just see what LL have decided and remember PIOF is only going to be required to enter the new adult land for now but as we agreed to the TOS we cannot moan about it.

Sounds like they're doing fine without the Adult continent.