Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Ahhh i get it, you mean like in RL?

LL doesn't care about the failing economy, or its customers failing in such a bad economy. Otherwise they'd be allowing their customers to all be able to use their services equally who have paid to do so. If I'm not able to sell on SLX then a portion of my income is gone, so even in a rough economy its even rougher. Its too bad that even in the worst of times LL has gone above and beyond to be an embarassment to even those with the worst business ethics.

I don't know about slx as i am unsure what you mean by not allowing you to sell on there but i think LL is more focused on what it wants for whatever reasons rather than what the people want. As always we have to adapt change or leave and no i don't think they are that worried as new people will replace the ones that leave.

A shame but probably true

That is a logical idea. The only way to guarantee the gamres aren't fixed would be to have the RL big boys run it. But that could also start the gradual replacing of resident business with RL companies. Just as someone suggested with the Big Time Adult businesses coming into Pornopolis, I wonder what other areas would see residents being pushed out in favor of Corps with big ad budgets. It didn't work before, but those early adopters are the people LL wants out of SL, with a new group coming in who may be more agreeable to the marketing.

EXACTLY! There is very little problem, so why "crack such a small nut with such a large lump hammer??",
If LL are prepared to check back with all these posts, they'll find very little support for their proposals as they stand. Certainly and upgrade to the search engine is needed. As we all know, whenever we choose NOT to see adult material..it is presented anyway!!

Would be a huge boost to the economy....now this i would very much be in favour of even though i don't realy gamble. I wouldn't just limit it to just professional outfits though....i would also allow an SL player apply for a SL Gambling license in effect and one of the requirements is to deposit certains funds with LL in order to meet any liabilities, should the owner try to up and run!

And add countless other users to that list, buisnesses like mine that are not directly involved in the adult industy here, but rely on it along with the casural user to make our SL ends meet
This is going to have a domino effect on countless other buisnesses. All taken away from SL's bottom line. If i cant market properly to the Adult user and casual user. I will more then likely loose half my sales. Not having those sales mean i wont be shopping, me not shopping is putting a pinch on other buisnesses, and so forth and so forth, ect...

I HAVE GOOD SUGGESTION FOR LL TO IMPLEMENT...!!!

First...LL could vastly improve the SL search engine so that those who do NOT want to see or read about Porn or such "Adult" activity, will be able to filter out such material. For this to work, owners have to mark the area as such to help this (as they should be doing at present anyway).

Second...LL could develop a system which uses security tags for every parcel and region containing such Adult material, this will activate and pop up in the viewer warning that the area residents have entered has been listed as"Adult" and could offend!

We all know the ones that say "THE REGION YOU ARE ENTERING IS RUNNING A
DIFFERENT SIMULATOR"? or some such similar wording. Well, I think possibly LL could easily have this system working for current parcels and regions WITHOUT moving anyone!!

Linden Labs, what do you think about this idea? Something similar to this would avoid all the upheaval and upsets..

Ah you mean population not scalability!

Yes, this is low because OpenSim is not feature complete. It is complete enough for projects (e.g. build a reproduction of Ancient Greece), or for non-commercial activities such as hosting meetings but fundamentally it lacks some essential features particularly around commercial transactions and content protection - particularly over hypergrid boundaries. So at the moment you will not get in world businesses or content creators moving to it.

I actually think that OpenSim has developed quite quickly considering it is mainly a volunteer effort. I agree that there is probably another year or so development time before it will be feature complete compared to SL (although it does even now offer some features that SL doesn't offer), and I agree that there is unlikely to be a mass migration to OpenSim until it gets close to being feature complete compared to SL.

Matthew

None of this is what I'M worried about.

I'm worried about having to move to Ursula, because some of the people in our land group think they need to move, even though none of them are running any kind of sex business. Because we can't get a Linden to define what a "private residence" is.

If you know about capturing network traffic you also know about ssh. Assuming the key pairs were of sufficient length and complexity (ie dont bother using the old deprecated key types that have been shown to to be mathematically crackable) no you couldnt. Not unless you got three-letter-agency level processing power at your disposal and CERTAINLY not in an hour.

ssh code is open too, take as many copies of the code as you like, without my keys you cant read my traffic. Plus its just a matter of running a new build and setting it as a mandatory update to change it on LLs part. If you change your channel to avoid the update then you look like an unauthenticated build anyway.

Oh christ.

Here I have the source code to the client.

Here I have a binary copy of the client with the key in it.

If it takes me 30 minutes to find the effing key given these two pieces of information it's only because I took a coffee break in the middle.

People are pulling DRM keys out of ROMs buried in epoxy, using differential analysis. People are ripping DRM keys out of running kernels by faking reboots into rigged RAM images of the BIOS. There's NOTHING you can do to hide a DRM key in a game like SL. It's not even a challenge.

You don't even need to monitor the network traffic. They have to give you a valid copy of the key when they give you the code. And they even tell you where to look for it.

Sheesh.

They're already against the Terms of Service.

And the lack of decent physics, and massively less stability even on small grids (yes, really), and the biggy... content. The lack of 99.44% of the creative content, and no legal way for the user with a large SL inventory to transfer the content out of SL.

The problem is that one of those keys will necessarily have to be embedded in the client - moreover that key will have to be passed to the ssl code, so if obfuscated or encrypted in some way, the code to unobfuscate or decrypt will also be embedded in the client. Even if that code was not included in the opensource version, it would be fairly easy to track down which bit of the code does the unobfuscation since you will have the source code to the rest of the client.

Reverse engineering the code to get the client key will be fairly straightforward - we'd certainly be talking no more than days.

Once reversed engineered extracting an updated key would take seconds unless LL also rewrote the obfuscation routines - which would probably take longer than someone to crack them again.



That's because your keys stay on your computer (hopefully) or with you. You don't make them available in a compiled copy of SSH for anyone to download.

Matthew

Meanwhile, back to the main thread!!

I don't know samatha since I don't personally know Neptune. But from what has been posted, I think Neptune is the lone voice on this thread of those that LL is attempting to provide that more "predictable experience" for. It doesn't seem to me to be about personal financial gain on Neptune's part.

From what we have been told by LL and from the press spin we have seen. It would appear that it is THIS impression of SL that the company would like to get rid of.

If they think opening a XXX continent is going to change that impression they seriously need to think again.

Why is it that we residents have to deal with this, when the Lindens haven't even taken any reasonable measures to ensure search is at least cleaned up for people who uncheck mature in search? People who obviously are running mature content and do not properly flag their land should be removed from search and take the penalty of losing their traffic until they flag properly. If they are flagged properly and this isn't just more Linden bubble gum and duct tape fixes, then they should not be penalized, but the Lindens should fix it properly.

If I look up the word "Roleplay" for example with mature unchecked... Hmm.. what is on that list? There are already two very obvious sexually explicit sims within that list no more than twelve lines down. One is on the Mature Mainland. Their very titles are completely adult. What if I look up "Fantasy" with mature unchecked?

This is a Linden problem. There is nothing I, or other residents can do in order to make these parcels mark themselves as mature, or ensure that they are not in view of those not searching for mature. This is a policing issue that the Lindens have neglected for a long time, and will still be neglected even with these changes. Same with the Welcome areas.

Want a more predictable experience Lindens? Fix Search. Police and Enforce the rules of your Welcome Area.

Update - I just played with search a bit more. The mature filter check does nothing for my search. The results are the same whether it is marked or not. Is that because I haven't touched it for the four years I've been in SL?

Well that's the one ray of light from this policy...the verification will surely increase the number of PIOF from where it is now. Let say a realistic but hypothetical 10% of all accounts (excluding Bots) are now PIOF....it could well be that this Adult policy might drive it up to say 30-40%. For the overall economy that has to be a good thing....but it will be offset by the numbers that choose to either leave, and the non recycled cashflow from those working in the Adult Sector right now.

To be honest, payment on file should have been kept from the outset....which kind of highlights that a lot of LL policy changes are shaped around the desire of wanting to be "positive PR " centric.....that policy change gave them the desired login numbers, the increase in number of new accounts to boast to the Media about......now that same policy has kind of backfired on them big time!! ......and this is not to include the "Traffic Bots saga" into the equation due to the opening of the same floodgates.

Had they maintained "Payment on File" from the outset, the total logins today would possibly be around 30-40k+ from natural growth alone, but it would be a pure figure.....no bots, no freebie hunters....the economy would most likely be in stronger shape than what it is today. The grid for one would be a lot smaller ...not the 30k sims we have today, with a large percentage of Yellow!....the population density possibly better than what it is now.


M.Linden wants RL Businesses (mid-size i presume) here because he believes there is a market of holding business meetings, internal training and ultimately operational costs savings for those companies.....he also wants Educators here......and most importantly he wants good company PR in all the media, he wants the image of "Second Life" to change for the better......the non-regulated Adult sector kind of gets in the way of his vision!

if we move on....and lets say LL achieved their sanitised Disney World they so desire and lets say hypothetically the Adult porn sector is virtually non-existant...we now arrive to the next stage, which is Phillip Linden's vision of wanting "RL Teens to be included into the Main Grid because its now become safe for them to do so"
(Yes, for now LL are denying merger, they have a lot of "sanitisation" to do before they could merge it.....but nowhere has it been said "that it will never happen"

If that were to occur, or if this were the actual Roadmap for SL.....it would be a huge PR disaster waiting to happen and all the work that M.Linden achieved prior to that would be wiped away at a single stroke! You cannot have RL kids on the same platform as RL adults and hope not to recieve lots of negative media....particularly from Europe. What is in the Media today is what matters, it doesn't matter about all the glowing reports about SL prior to that......People have a tendancy to quickly forget old media!

Peadophiles do exist, we have seen/ read/ heard stories surrounding IRC Chat channels, Myspace and other social networks were both sets mingle together....regardless of how many appear on Central Agency listings there are always ones that remain undetected. Its a bit like the analogy of "Suicide bombers"as one dies, there are many in the background ready fill that role!

These perverts will hang in PG areas, the same areas where RL kids are being contained in. Go figure!


Just like the policy of "free acounts" has now backfired on SL forcing them to go into reverse gear......the same would happen to their PR in the media if they intergrated RL kids into the main grid. One wonders when will LL ever learn!
Do they just "play business" ?



This single sentence highlights the problems with this latest policy! It is really worth reposting .....it sums it all up neatly for me in just 1 sentence.!!!

I HAVE GOOD SUGGESTION FOR LL (updated)...!!!

(1st)...LL may need to define what is "Adult" activity, and to come to an acceptable agreement with the magority of residents. Then once everything has been clearly defined, land owners should then be clear on knowing if their area(s) should be allocated as "Adult" or not. If their area(s) are Adult, then they should have the facilities to be able to mark this as such.

(2nd)...LL could vastly improve the SL search engine so that those who do NOT want to see, read or tp'd to Porn or such "Adult" activity, will be able to filter out such material by clicking this option in the search engine.

(3rd)... In my opinion, it would be easy to add another small box in "Preferences" that reads "...prevent teleportantion to locations allocated as Adult". So now, anyone who has this box checked would be stopped as soon as they tried to tp to an Adult area, and will see a box reading... "unable to teleport to location due to Adult content".
Further more...anyone who walks or flies into an "Adult" area (and who has this box checked), could be presented with a warning sign saying something like "Warning! This area has been designated as Adult...".

Yep, that's how it works ....the domino effect in the case of SL.
In RL we saw the stacked "Pyramid of cards" effect and what happens when you remove the supporting pillars from the bottom row (The Banks)

This WE know because it is simple logic. But based on the spin in the press we saw they are not going to think again. This new change they are making comes across as a fresh progressive idea. "Second Life is not dead and is now more user friendly for businesses and residents. Come see the NEW Second Life that will roll out in early Summer where you won't accidently wander into any content that you might find offsensive. Linden Labs has taken the steps necessary to make sure your Second Life experience is more predictable."

They have the press they wanted. It's already gotten them what they appear to want.

The point is that where will this stop. I purchased mature mainland so i wasn't at the wim of a private sim owner. "ohh i broke up with my (fill in blank), so i'm dumping my sims you will have to move." I intentionally purchased mature so I can freely create. Whether that be "g" rated materials or animations and sex toys.

if you check out my land I have created a very beutiful sim. My neighbors love what I have done. Many even purchased into the sim so they can have views of my area. It was never my intention to create a community in my sim but it has happened. Now the main property is 97% "G" rated. publically accessable I have things that I have been told were obscene, picture of 2 men kissing. One may not like it but to me it is nothing to be offended by. I have built a skybox without doors for the more mature toys i have purchased or made.

My point being is I came to SL for freedom of creation. I purchased Mature Mainland with intent. I have spent well over $5000 USD on this in the last year. MY choice, mainly because I loved the freedom. Since I found out about this announcement my creativity has dropped 90%. The unaswered questions and vague rhetoric from some of the lindens has me wondering where the line will be drawn. If i wanted the restrictions on me I would have purchased "PG". Yes I can lock my property down and prevent anyone from stepping foot anywhere on it. But then why create art if it has to be locked away from people to see.

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Final thought on this, I want freedom on SL thats why I chose where I did. When LL does this I want them to move me because I don't want to be restricted what I can do on "property" I pay for, even if i never do another thing they may classify as "Adult". Freedom is what I have paid for. Besides, being on the adult continent may stop some small minded bigots from just coming in and harrassing me, my friends, and people that come to share my creation.