Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

That's the option I was referring to.

The obvious fix is:

Option 3: SERVER only sends terrain and linden plants for sims with a higher rating level, viewer displays "Mature Mature Mature" or "Adult Adult Adult" warning lines when you get close to the boundary. No need to add stupid easily-hackable client side restrictions.

Surely the whole adult SIM has to appear offline to those with a PG viewer. Invariably it is the actions of avies on a SIM that will be explicit. Does it make any difference that they appear to exchaging pixels whilst floating in mid air rather than lying on a couch?

Dildos,penises,basically anything that Xcite sells,porno movie streams,ball chains,sexual orientated pictures & paintings,sex toys, ball & chain gags etc etc.

I'm not talking about furniture or skins....I do read the thread comphrensively you know!

The ONLY advantage of doing it viewer-side and authenticating the official viewer builds as I described is that by using a 3rd party viewer (or even altering the channel reported by the official one) folks who cant/wont verify can accept that they proceed at their own risk, thus covering LLs rear from any legal exposure and can continue to access whatever they want. Of course in the process they would give up the right to AR anything they saw for obscenity too because they chose to be exposed to it.

Server-side-only restrictions would still expose businesses and mixed-use locations to the same "what about the ones that wont verify?" issues that have been raised repeatedly here. The combined solution is the only one I've been able to come up with that seems to give both LL and the vast majority of residents what they want.

If the server only sends terrain and linden plants for sims with a higher rating level you won't see any avatars in them, will you?

I get you now. You mean seeing open land rather than linden ocean?

Huh? How are they at less liability if there's an easier way for people who won't verify to bypass the restrictions? It will make them MORE liable because they are less able to argue that people shouldn't have access don't have access.

rofl

I'm in a weird mindset, that leads to odd questions lol.

if I recall we're s'posed to helping with definitions in this thread as well. But I'm fairly liberal, so I don't know at what point other people get offended by toon furries and toon humans being seen together. and that could affect large communities of players if the bar is set low.

I agree that the nekos, furries, dragons, vampires, lycans, demons, faeries, etc (the list really goes on and on), are not offensive, and I'd hate to see them treated different because they choose to play an avatar who is not human. Heck, I hang out with a good number of different SL 'Species' and I consider my SL experience all the better for it.

But if we're dealing with any puritanical mindsets in the definitions of what is mature and adult then we really need to think very carefully to make sure that these groups, just as with the other groups that are worried, won't be singled out and have tighter restrictions. That was my point.

I have a neko alt I play sometimes when I don't want to deal with tons of group chatter or just not want to be showing as online for my businesses. And I'll cuddle with human av friends.

I've had people irl look over my shoulder, see the ears and tail and tell me that my av should be somewhere other than public, even though she is fully clothed and not doing anything explicit. That is the point I'm trying to make, if we're dealing with people's sensitivities, how do we not discriminate? To one person it's innocent, to another that particular act of cuddling a friend is extreme because of ears and a tail.

Because as part of the login process if the server cannot authenticate the viewer as an official build that honors the restriction, the user has to agree to continue at their own risk and acknowledge that they might be exposed to content they find objectionable.

In fact, to make the inconvenience of having to agree to this every time go away, you might even see the folks who are on the fence about verifying do so in greater numbers.

Click-through for acknowledging you know what you are getting info and saying that yes, you are of age to see anything you want in your jurisdiction covers most other online businesses, theres no reason for LL to worry any more than they do.

I thought the point of verification was to assure that there would be no underage lurkers!
Thus, no need to suspect!
Very disturbing

Awww, come on now, Lynni, play fair. You must suspend your disbelief for the purpose of participating in this forum. Otherwise, no point you raise will receive an answer.

Have a read on a post in RA makes interesting reading

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For the record i was "Payment on file" practically from the 1st day when i joined back in Sept 06. I think i bought my 1st piece of land after day 10. I also had to age verify as LL sent me an email last year for being an Estateowner...so was kind of forced to go through that process too. So aside to asking 7 vendors (adult content displayed) to leave my Fetish Mall.....this whole process doesn't really effect me the person too much.....possibly it could have an impact on all my non-Adult related businesses, but let's discount them for now!

Like i thought the bait & switch tactics of the Open Space sim tier hikes was so wrong...again i was not directly effected.....i feel these latest LL proposals are so wrong too.

I'm not arguing as someone being hugely effected.....i'm arguing on "principles" sake. At the end of the day its not about "how this effects me".....its how it effects of the SL community as a whole and every aspect related to "your world, Your imagination" philosophy.

LL need to confirm their stance on adult and mature where the line lays, my personal opinion is someone cams into my sl home then their have entered a private place where they have no business to be so if they get a shock then tough titty.

I would expect them to be in trouble for invading my privacy not to be in trouble for my actions on a parcel I pay tier for.

To remove scripted beds, nakedness in the form of avatar skins from the current mature mainland by forcing sellers of such items to the adult rated areas would be extreme lunacy, LL must already realise that almost all users who have a building like a house in second life use these items, why did they implement voice chat if they don't like the idea of people getting it on together? It doesn't seem to have any other real use.

Till LL state what is acceptable on a mature sim precisely, all our ideas are just hearsay, but I really think they are talking of toning down explicit texture content and removing the few public sex clubs to the new adult area, not 80% of the mature mainland, if thats really their idea then obviously they will need to rethink as they have made a huge error in judgement.

Which is why having it in the viewer is pointless. The server can NEVER authenticate the viewer so long as its open source.
Who cares about the user? This isn't about the user. If it was about the user there wouldn't be any point to adult verification, you could just have the viewer pop a "yes I agree to see porn" dialog.

Well Land owners and business men, iam Tired of paying for a service that is suppose to be a free and open world. Then Constantly having a company messing this up. I dont feel these up changes are a good thing. I firmly believe linden is going to put them self's out of business if they carry on in this manner. I hope to see you all on opensim in the near future enough of linden and there games.

It sure does, maybe a change in direction will be announced.

Sure it can - the authentication info just needs to be supplied from a source not in the source at build time.

put a

-DBUILDAUTH=key

in at build time and suitable ifdefs to incorporate the key. Anyone else can build the code and it will work but unless they have the LL build-specific key they cant make it lie about whether it honors the restrictions or not.

You don't get it!!! read my first reply and what i wrote.

I'll try saying it simpler form ---->A major source of LL income are the collection of land tiers from ALL its residents





Comphrendi?

Yes this will affect the community as a whole but as always within SL in 12 months time we will remember the great Adult Content upheaval in the same way we will, the OS debate, the ending of gambling, the end of banking and the end of dwell payments they will fade into the archives of SL history as new folks will read about them and wonder what the fuss was all about.

I wonder how many shouting now even remember the dwell payments? as it will be in time to come with this move we are facing as the new blood comes in and a lot of the current players move on to other things and the adult content has settled back into a routine and people recovered from their short term losses and its business as usual until the next bombshell.

Just my thourghts

They are just going way too far over bored with this... if you dont like that sort of stuff they should give you a filter so you auto block going to those zones.. something you set YOURSELF... or that it atleast prompts you letting you know your going there and the option to cancel your teleport. Most of us are adults and should be able to monitor ourselves. if you find adult content bothersome then instead of making it all but unavailable to people or a hassle to be able to view for those that WANT to see it, I would suggest making it a filter. Maybe one thats automaticly on that you have to disable to go to those places. but otherwise leave it to US to make the choice on what we view or see or participate in. This is a game after all and if you dont like something you can always walk away/leave/turn it off.

Well that would be good news for a start as the wife wont have to rebuild everything lol

Okay. So all "adult" content will be shoved into one continent. Great. I’m for keeping the kids out of harms way. The name of my Store is “Sacred Yoni Jeweler Mall.” I sell intimate prim body wear and have been in the same location, on a mature sim, marked as adult content for an extra 30L$ a week, for over 1 year. That means that over one year of advertisement and landmarks given out will be at a loss when I’m forced to move. I would also like to know who is going to foot the bill for the cost associated to my move? I’m almost certain in order for me to maintain my SL business I will be assigned an unwanted task of selling my 1/2 sim of mainland along with the task of finding & purchasing the same in the "adult continent". Will my tier fees be affected during this transition? My mall vendors will have to find another place to sell there wears and I’ll have to close about 100 rental & commission locations selling my creations that are currently all earring everyone a profit through either through rents received or commissions paid. I help the SL economy by moving L$ around. I also help put this L$ in the Lindens pocket when I sell it for $, tier fees and other Linden costs. Who is going to rebuild what took me months to make? Who is going to take the loss of sales revenue here during this transition? Since SL is majority adult content would it not make more since to move non adult to a non adult continent? You know like the Teen grid?

My land is not one of the standard rectangular sizes. It is divided by a Linden road and a region boundary. In one region it meanders from one corner to the diagonally opposite corner. I use and like these features. How does Linden Lab propose to relocate me?

Most of my build (even sections that were once linked and prefab) are single objects, even single prims. Although there may be no charge to relocate, it would still require considerable time and effort to un-build and re-build. Do you have a way to replicate constructs through your software?

Damn! I really MUST learn not to try to eat or drink while reading these forums!