Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I don't understand why Islands and Estates have to flag the whole. Can you not honestly allow a partial flagging?

/me waves hi "I thought it was your name I remembered on that, but I wasn't sure"

lol it does feel like we're in the minority in just wanting to get this over with doesn't it?

They do?!!!

I don't understand why Islands and Estates have to flag the whole. Can you not honestly allow a partial flagging?

I agree its a fundamental issue within all mainland sims, when you can only get 40 avatars in the sim, and something LL needs to look at further, but how long will that take for them to get round to?


Sex clubs are going to be popular, who dislikes sex?
But used in such a way as this place seems to be, they are basically greifing their neighbors.

Same with the shouters, currently LL take for ever and a day to respond to most abuse reports of this nature, if at all.

I don't run a sex orientated business, so segregation will have a positive effect on my SL, I am happy to age verify, I already have as far as I know, I have payment details anyway and am happy to visit adult orientated areas.

What have I got to loose by this?

I know its a selfish attitude but thats my stand point.

There should have been better segregation from the outset of SL, then this problem would not be rearing its ugly head now.

First, sex businesses are a lot more than that 2-4% figure LL uses. Abut ten times more, by my, and others', casual surveys.

Second, there is an even larger secondary impact. The majority of residents don't engage in cybersex daily. Maybe only rarely. Maybe not at all...but they still want their avatar to LOOK sexy. Even if you don't cyber, it's nice to be asked. And the fact that the possibility is there adds real spice to our virtual lives.

The whole fashion industry, not just the explicit sex clothing and poseball industry, is going to feel this. When there's no reason to dress up your avatar prettily, who's going to want all those clothes? Who's going to want to do sexy dances, if there's no possibility of something after that?

The people who think sex has no place in a virtual world have no understanding of human nature. A virtual world without sex isn't a "world" at all...it's just a 3D chatroom. That's why SL is so superior to efforts like IMVU.

and this change is effecting only 'adult' areas, and there has only been a few decisions made as to what constitutes 'adult' in SL. M rating is not adult rating. the numbers that will be considered adult in nature is not a large number. M rating is a large number. until its decided what will be considered adult we can not make decisions based on a hypothetical number.

Then do something about traffic bots.

You've made a logical fallacy here...traffic bots are not used exclusively by sex clubs. They're used by skin stores, furniture stores...anyplace that sells anything and wants to game the system to improve their traffic ranking.

I had the opportunity of meeting with a RL business client today (not a corporate, but certainly big enough to bring many thousands of dollars into SL, I would have thought - their initial yearly budget for virtual/3D interaction and deployment is around 100K USD, including consultancy, development and staffing). The issue of Second Life/virtual worlds was brought up, as the Managing Director is a Resident and uses SL in her leisure time - and *I* was asked about this very debate regarding changes to adult content. I explained as much as I could - we visited the blog and forum and discussed the plans, especially the issue of 'adult content'.

No-one in the meeting had a problem with *any* content, if it was already in a Mature zone and governed by the existing ToS - in fact the MD was more concerned about Linden Lab's current attitude towards it's customer base and wants to hold back from investing in SL, to connect to a potential market, as she wasn't happy using SL as a vehicle for her company if Linden Lab carried out these changes. She felt that the key selling point of SL was its eclectic mix and that this policy was destabilising. They aren't in the slightest bit interested in duplicating RL, or entering into a virtual world which was 'predictable'. Far from it. On the topic of 'adult content' - the unanimous reply I received was, "Well, it's an adult only world, isn't it? If you don't like something that you stumble upon, you move on." They also have no interest in connecting their brand and services whatsoever were minors might be encouraged to be, so this was another issue.

They have tasked me to explore other more open-minded and creative thinking virtual worlds as alternatives. An onerous task, as I do think SL, in its current form, IS the best solution for an open-minded, forward thinking company to explore. What was interesting though, was, that we couldn't satisfy their wish to find an equivalent alternative adult only multiverse after a quick scan of the options available. I imagine what will happen is that they will eventually sink their budget back into their web development program and wait for OpenSim, if the changes take place.

and this change is effecting only 'adult' areas, and there has only been a few decisions made as to what constitutes 'adult' in SL. M rating is not adult rating. the numbers that will be considered adult in nature is not a large number. M rating is a large number. until its decided what will be considered adult we can not make decisions based on a hypothetical number.

/me waves hi "I thought it was your name I remembered on that, but I wasn't sure"

lol it does feel like we're in the minority in just wanting to get this over with doesn't it?

Aside from the largest part of our current population being NPIOF or not being "age verified", even if people chose to live on PG or Mature land, which I believe to be the overwhelming majority....that doesn't mean they don't want to purchase the occasional Adult content once in awhile......how are they going to be able to do that if they can't TP to Adult world!

Because they already said adult related items such as furniture will be able to remain in the mature areas, skins would be able to remain in the mature areas.

Mature will still be mature what do you think people do in their virtual homes mainly sit and look at their virtual orniments, no they have fun, sex, chat, dance, romance each other, is this going to change because a few adult clubs got booted off to some adult area?

How about letting people set their rating dynamically whether they're "adult verified" or not. Adult verification would just give you the option of setting the "World->Adult Content" option from the menu.

Even better, "World->Content Rating->[Adult, M, PG]".

So people on PG land could turn off "M" and mature sims would just vanish for them.

Yes it certainly does.

I understand those who want to stand their ground. My heart is with them no doubt. But, I have already been down this road with my RL online gallery when some conservatives in the UK got all hot & bothered by the mingling of sex & violence and shut down one of the payment processing companies. We were all upset, but the reality was adapt to the stricter TOS of the new company or give up your gallery. I worked too hard to give mine up, so I removed a number of my more extreme pieces to pass. Many artists refused and left.

While I do not agree with this separation policy, I have no problem with requiring age verification. Kids should not have access to my work it is too graphic in many cases.

Like Lord Sullivan, I see that this decision has already been made and I'll choose to adapt because I enjoy SL and want to ride this out and stay.

I really hope that LL will just allow those of us who know we will be forced to go ahead and get started if we choose to go without a fight so that others who do wish to fight can do so. And, as I stated eariler in the thread, others will have it so much harder simply because their biz is more established and larger than mine so their losses will be much greater. In my mind & heart, they deserve LL's attention and LL should make it a priority to make this transition as financially painless as possible for those long time businesses. They have earned it.

I'd rather be moving forward not left hanging in limbo.

Something like this would be the ideal solution, if it could technically be done!

In one of these threads someone wrote that they implemented something like this at one point, but the invisible sims were ugly.

They don't want people camming from PG/M land onto A land.

The logic is the same logic LL are applying to mainland, people can cam across and see the content even if the parcel is flagged. If this is indeed the scenario then estates are going to hit big problems. I really don't think LL had considered the implication for estates with this new policy, estates are not going to want to go all adult as many are mixed use.

The issue is that the maturity setting for an island is a regional setting, a region can be part of an estate. If it's true that the adult flag is an estate level setting, then islands that are fully PG could end up being flagged adult, it's a very silly scenario.

Shortsighted!

Apart from the inital venture capital to kick start SL, how do you think LL managed growth to a point that it has or owns servers to house 25-30k worth of sims?

Where do you think the funds came from? What do you think supports 300+ employees drawing a salary each and every month?

Shortsighted!

Apart from the inital venture capital to kick start SL, how do you think LL managed growth to a point that it has or owns servers to house 25-30k worth of sims?

Where do you think the funds came from? What do you think supports 300+ employees drawing a salary each and every month?