Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

How about a big flashing popup that warns them they are in Pornodelphia, and if they wish to remain they have to click ok. Give it 20 seconds or so and if they don't click anything they are tp'ed to a safe zone. You can also have it so they can say no, and tp out on their own. In either event, they can't do anything without acknowledging the message.

I don't see that any private island owner will be forced to reclassify as anything, regardless of what they sell on their private estate. Their islands, their rules. And nobody can "accidentally" wander down the road and see the occasional penis like on mainland.

Most places I've been that are violent or RP areas have had a telehub entry point, and all entrance is through there. The entry is always PG and an explanation of what goes on in the rest of the sim is clearly spelled out, giving people not wanting to be involved in that a chance to leave. So any bitty whining that she saw some guy running by with a 12" cock after she was warned about what she would see if she entered the remainder of the sim, is utterly ignorable.

people should really read what the lindens have said so far....

From my understanding, we are not asking for either your social security number, drivers license or passport number.

If, following this policy change, I visited a PG sim and witnessed a sex bed being used, I would not hesitate to file an AR.

How about letting people set their rating dynamically whether they're "adult verified" or not. Adult verification would just give you the option of setting the "World->Adult Content" option from the menu.

Even better, "World->Content Rating->[Adult, M, PG]".

So people on PG land could turn off "M" and mature sims would just vanish for them.

YOU are not, no.

Aristotle, your partner for age verification, DOES ask for this information. When I verified, I used my DL number as there is no way in hell I'll give out the other two. And while I think some of the complaints about verification are a bit over the top, asking people for their SSN or their passport is asking for too much.

Blondin, if you are answering questions, your provisional views on the scale of the impact of these proposals on private islands which are mixed use (ie. adult and non adult) would be much welcomed.

im likely one of the most PG, of the PG, on SL...

lol but anyways, its good to see LL is asking for our feedback here (although i have to agree -- when they already gave a statistic and are building the continent, it all seems quite predetermined).

i hope LL really do take to heart the resident's needs on this one -- and include these wishes -- in whatever parts of their masterplan still remain flexible/adaptable.

the sexual element could be more essential/important to the fabric of the world then LL's initial study led them to believe, so I hope they take care....

i hope LL don't "misunderestimate" the appeal of sex and all things sexy/kinky.... ain't that appeal nearly-universal?

I agree, Argent. This has always seemed to me the plain and obvious way to give residents the choice as to the inworld experience they wish to enjoy.

I actually think there could be 3 choices:
(1) PG (with no access to M or Adult)
(2) M (with access to all areas)
(3) M but not Adult (with access to all areas save for those containing extremely sexual or violent material)

I think I'm pointing out that whatever system you apply it will (likely/sometimes?) fail, and it becomes a fail when it's reported, because the person who encounters it is the very person who will react badly to seeing Adult content around them and the very person this system is there to protect, therefore there is no protection, certainly none you can guarantee.

I purposely over exaggerated it with referring to PG, but it's likely that those who produce Adult rated content will also produce non rated content, if they are offering something unique in SL, the options open are that the creator has two stores, one in PG land one in Adult land, if that was to be the case there is nothing yet to stop them having a TP link in their PG store saying "To MY Main Store" which is the one on the Adult continent. So at this point you have many more questions:

Should all links to the Adult land be flagged?

Will it be a requirement on the resident to state that his TP link will take them to Adult land?

If a TP link from a PG store drops a German TV crew into the middle of a raging orgy, involving the very worst aspects of Adult indulgence, without the link explicitly explaining where it will take them, will that be an ARable offence?

I could really go on and on, there are so many broken links in this fence.

Edit: Brenda makes a good point above, that would certainly help the scenario I have laid out here

We keep talking about Credit Cards being age verification enough for SL. When my 16 year old daughter at the time wanted to buy things off the internet she could easily.
She DID have a credit card for online buying. And it was her own. She worked a part time job at the time and was quite responsible. She wouldn't have to sneak mine to get into SL. Not to mention you can buy credit cards ..pre-paid.. anywhere. So how is this even going to keep kids off the adult land? It isn't.
She never got into SL as I have, but she did get into out internet games. Wow for example and paid her own money game costs and it wasn't through me paying for it. So all this moving is useless if it has to do with only paid or verified accounts can get into Adult areas..the kids will anyway if determined thats where they want to be.

I have a business in SL I am sure would be considered Adult themed. Its a brothel. Across from the brothel I have my store. Beside the brothel is a huge garden open to the public that wraps around the brothel. I spend thousands of linden dollars a week keeping the business running. In tier cost, staff payments, classifieds, tips. I hire designers. I rent from other business in their market places to help advertise my business. I have items on Xstreet among other online web business's.

I spend alot of time looking at profiles. As an escort as well its what I do to get a feel for what the other person might be interested in. Not everyone has paid accounts. Some use newbie alts for their play time fetishes. Just about every camper that sits for hours there accounts are blank. No payment history. I've been looking at customers profiles that come in and buy. Same, not all have verified accounts either but they buy my goods. Many of these people that come to my business would not make it to an Adult sims. Should I be happy about that?

Even I have alts that I don't have verified or have a credit card up for that I use in my business's for varius reasons, I suppose that has to stop too. To go one step further, before I even rent places in markets on sims, I use my alt to check if it will ban me. If it does, I don't rent there. Not every buyer of goods will have accounts verified but they have money they've made. I have a friend, she doesn't have a paid account yet she owns a huge clothing store and makes ok lindens enough so she can go off and play and have adult fun. She won't be able too soon. So her time is limited she figures.

This move is going to affect a lot of people, its going to hurt a lot of business. It will hurt mine I have no doubt. It won't keep kids that really want to have some "adult" fun away from the adult areas...but it will keep out the adults that wish to remain anonymous for their own reasons.

I see this move as hurting my business's. One I doubt there is a recovery for so I'll most likely back out of any business's period and drop my paid account and land. And just be a visitor for the duration of my stay if this goes through. To much work to build up traffic as it is. Let alone trying to do so on land much more restricted.

It really bums me out that because I am an adult and enjoy my sexual side I am deemed a 2nd or 3rd class citizen in the eyes of SL. I'm not corperate nor a child..so I have to get what ever SL tosses me of the left overs. I am the adult, yet will be the one banned. Way to go SL!!

So in theory, the current mainland would become MATURE and there would be two new mainlands to the left and to the right, ie the Adult and PG mainland. If we allow people to move as they see fit, how would this remove Adult content from the mature mainland?

The money I have lost at this point has been due to the UNpredictabilty of SL. One example I know of was 5 art pieces I was never paid for. I know the customer paid and recieved their art becuase they needed some help. I had recieved none of what they paid. Half the time I get up in the morning and one or both of my greeter's stats reports are not in the email. So, who knows how much money I have lost because of the tech quirks in SL.

It seems to me that when people said they wanted a more predicable SL experience, it had nothing to do with what Mature content they were viewing. By predicable they mean they simply want things to work properly.

This is the great idea but it will never be implemented because it is not about protecting children (who shouldnt be here in the first place) against adult content. This is protection for corporate users against your creative content. So instead of sex balls, big corporations can sell real hard porn on adult continent and marketing stuff you dont really need in PG continent. It is so obvious now.

That would be, respectively, what I meant by PG, Adult, and M.

Point taken, Argent. I should have read your post more carefully. Sorry.

Spin a bit, there, Blue?

There is NO WAY our comments can be construed as "fine tuning". If you do it at all, this proposal has to be totally scrapped and re-worked from the ground up.

We've pointed out over and over and over why your scheme won't work.
We've told you what the impacts will be.
We've proposed some workable alternatives, if there is some reason you just HAVE to somehow filter out some of the adult content.

You know what would give us the impression that you're actually listening? To open the Map tomorrow and see that eyesore you call "Ursula" has disappeared.

Soothing posts aren't enough. Not any more.

What about content on this island? You are suggesting a PG welcome area yes?

To use Aristotle IDV?

Without wishing to repeat what I said in my post "Sanity, Not Sanitation", I would like to add the following brief points:

1.

Age verification is long overdue. While it will not prevent minors sneaking into SL, it will end open access. Providing credit card or PayPal information is painless and efficient for residents and legally defensible for LL. While I think the ID-based (document-based) age verification system is dubious, it nonetheless works for some people. Thus, the choice of credit card, PayPal and ID-based verification would cover 99% of residents. Moreover, if kids can sneak past the system, so can adults.

2.

Replacing the current classification of adults (PG and Mature) into three classifications of adults (PG, Mature and Adult) is inelegant to say the least. Applying age verification to the Mature half of the adult PG/Mature population is far more efficient. In truth, I am puzzled why LL seeks this new classification system with all the problems and costs associated with it.

3.

Creating a new 'Xtreme' continent accessible only to Mature (age verified) adults makes some sense, but forcing Mature adults to move 'Xtreme' content/RP to the new continent is poking a stick into the hornets' nest. Far better to make the new continent appealing to Xtreme players (see previous post). Offer the 2-4% free tier for a year. Use a carrot instead of a stick.

A PG welcome area. A PG cyberpunk city of tomorrow. A PG giant hollow tree, a PG volcano, a PG airfield, a PG sandbox, a PG tower with a flashing sign on the top that doesn't read "SAMSUNG MEANS TO C0ME" because that would not be safe for work. A PG castle, and a PG korean city, and a PG tropical beach with PG breakers and PG animated baby seals that go "bark" when you click on them. A PG rocketship. A PG oversized sofa with secret tunnels and a freebie tiny mouse avatar to run around inside it with. A PG desert with a PG sandworm, that you can walk inside and buy "Dune" souvenirs from.

Yes! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!

So in other words, even if an account was verified, they would still have to opt-in to access adult content?

Any idea on the ETA of adding an announcement to the SL Login Screen? Something this big really needs to be brought to the attention of the SL public as a whole. Get alot more feedback and suggestions that way and allow everyone to participate in this discussion.