Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread
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Southie Allen
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03-20-2009 17:53
From: samatha Congrejo REally?
Well I suspect you have not been checking the online stats and checking where all these people are. Let me help you:
On a average sl day, about 5% of the users are in gor at any given time another about 10% are in BDSM/Fetish/Etc 25% aprox. are in sex related areas. Free sex rooms, sex clubs, stripper etc.
Well we just accounted for about 40% of the users.
Add in the rest of the adult areas and your talking about well over 50% of the average online daily traffic.
Lets not even start talking LIndens because then your up to over 60% of the lindens trading hands. Right, sex is the BIGGEST market in SL, along with horror, and oddities...who wants normal and ordinary? And...im sorry to be a bigot but Secondlife wasn't made for kids, so why should we adjust for them to shut down the teen grid? It seems to me like another, rip the economy of SL to save money.... I don't know about you guys but im tired of linden lab's ideas.
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Neptune Shelman
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03-20-2009 17:58
From: Ciaran Laval Oh undoubtedly, although I believe a lot of the gambling money stayed in gambling circles, it obviously had other areas where the flow would be effected.
This is bigger, this is mainland rentals, estate rentals, fashion, building, scripting, this is the whole kit and kaboodle. I really don't see it, sorry the sex industry makes money we all know that, but it makes money because people are driven to it by basic natural urges. Yes people like their avatars to look nice, so they can get more of a visual impact from their cyber encounters and if every randy user decided to not log into SL anymore because they were afraid to put in their card details. Then skin shops, fashion shops, scripting etc. would be affected, to a degree. But it is just not going to happen, desire is a very powerful thing, most of these NPIOF users who have built up a taste for av banging, will very soon become PIOF users if the need arises in my honest opinion. Rentals I don't see changing as they tend to be more couple orientated, and probably attract a slightly different kind of user. Who most likely already have payment info on file to make linden payments for the rental property, buy clothes etc.
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Darren Tani
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03-20-2009 17:59
From: someone PG / Mature..... Its like the choices while watching television. Don`t like watching soaps? Don`t Watch! Don`t like to see naked people on HBO? Don`t Watch! Don`t like sex sims? Don`t GO! Proper labeling by land owners should be controlled, not each and every movement of a resident of SL Why do I believe this is a ploy for LL to make more money? Because LL can use TOS to cover this issue however, that makes no new memberships. So make people use their credit card, or go to adult verification and enter your atm# to verify, both things many people either cannot or will not do. What happens during this fiasco? People that have business on mature sims suffer. Pg sim prices will skyrocket, and we will all live in a vanilla world.
This is a fleecing of residents. Remember when there were personal ratings each avatar could give another.... for 25L ? I bet over a million 25L ratings were recorded before LL took those away. Where did the money go? What do we have to show for it?> 0 LL should spend more time working on lowering tier rates so more people could afford to express themselves on their own land thus creating more cash flow as they purchase items to decorate their land. This is all going in the wrong direction and I am close to leaving SL. I am not falling for this ploy and I do not think anyone else should. The result of this fiasco will determine whether or not I remain in SL.. I am verified, but thats not what this is about. I believe this is about money for LL.
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Sartor Muggins
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03-20-2009 18:00
just beat stupid parents for not controling there lil bastard.
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Southie Allen
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03-20-2009 18:01
From: Sartor Muggins just beat stupid parents for not controling there lil bastard. WEEWT! I agree!!!
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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03-20-2009 18:02
I wonder if The Carnival of Doom would have to change it's flag to adult for violence and would that result in all of the rezzable sims being flagged adult? I mean what a shame if only verified accounts could check out the greenies or the Tunnel of Light.
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Rene Erlanger
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03-20-2009 18:04
From: Neptune Shelman Well then even less to be worried about then, so stop whining. Because i care about the community as whole .....because i care about those that will inevitably lose money over this... not only the Adult sector but possibly other sectors too....because i care how it will impact the overall economy.....because i care on how many on my Friends list might leave because over this.....need i go on? As you have such a simplistic "I'm ok Jack" attitude, it doesn't account for the many other residents that simply don't want to hand their details over to LL....and it really doesn't matter what their personal reasons are. Maybe if you owned a SL business or you were a successful Estate Owner...you might think a little bit differently........second thoughts i doubt it!
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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03-20-2009 18:16
Since all the naughty things are going to have to move to a special place what about those who sell naked pics of themselves? They often do this from their profile also showing an example on the profile, what is to happen to these people?
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Rene Erlanger
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03-20-2009 18:18
From: Neptune Shelman Rentals I don't see changing as they tend to be more couple orientated, and probably attract a slightly different kind of user. Who most likely already have payment info on file to make linden payments for the rental property, buy clothes etc.
That last paragraph alone shows how clueless you are.......you're obviously not a land baron. Well to straightened you up a bit.....60% of my residents have payment on file and 40% don't.....out of that 40% several create and make money from sales, some have jobs in fashion stores and some in the Adult sector...and several i bill direct to their Paypal account which have not been attached to their SL a/c.
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Neptune Shelman
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03-20-2009 18:45
From: Sartor Muggins just beat stupid parents for not controling there lil bastard. LOL Direct and to the point I like it 
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Neptune Shelman
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03-20-2009 18:52
From: Rene Erlanger Because i care about the community as whole .....because i care about those that will inevitably lose money over this... not only the Adult sector but possibly other sectors too....because i care how it will impact the overall economy.....because i care on how many on my Friends list might leave because over this.....need i go on? As you have such a simplistic "I'm ok Jack" attitude, it doesn't account for the many other residents that simply don't want to hand their details over to LL....and it really doesn't matter what their personal reasons are. Maybe if you owned a SL business or you were a successful Estate Owner...you might think a little bit differently........second thoughts i doubt it! I thought i said stop whining We were talking sensibly with differing points of view then you decided to take the p*ss. So you have now lost my sympathy, If it breaks you well one less t*sser in SL. I'll still be here if I feel like logging in, so they will still have one t*sser there is no need for two. You will not get any sense from me now so don't bother responding.
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Waterstar Eilde
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03-20-2009 19:00
From: Neptune Shelman ...You will not get any sense from me now so don't bother responding. err... this implies that we were getting sense from you before...
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Lylani Bellic
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03-20-2009 19:03
Sixty-four pages... forgive me for not bothering to read even half that and pity the Linden who gets to read it all; provided that's what they do here on a forum...
Well anyway, here comes my thoughts on the issue and I will try to keep it civil. I am a very opinionated woman and I do not like it, at all, when people mess with what I do.
Linden Labs, you created this world of SecondLife and gave it a real world economy; it is your child, your project, your mark on the world. But it is our money and our time.
That's the key thing to me, money and time. I do not pay to play and work in a world where I am discriminated against, I do not pay to be shunted off by some conservative lackey who feels it's his place in the world to make everyone do things his way and I do not pay to be told how I should live my life.
I am a grown adult, my choices are my own, and my responsibility to deal with the consequences (bad or good) of those choices. It is, however, not my responsibility to change my lifestyle, change how I do things, or change what I am paying to enjoy based on someone elses opinion on life.
The simple facts of life are thus:
A) It's my life, keep your nose out of it B) What I choose to do in my life is my own, if you don't like it fine, don't be around me
If I choose to (and I do, in rl and in sl) partake in adult related content then that is my choice and if someone disagrees with that then tough luck for them, they can segregate themselves instead of trying to push me away because I'm the supposed bad girl.
It seems whenever I talk about SL people instantly go to the whole "omg but it's full of porn and flying dicks and it's just a disgusting world". You know what I tell them?
If you or anyone else doesn't want to see nudity, or sexuality, or violence, or kink, or furry, or anything you don't like I have a singular piece of advice that will change your world: DON'T LOOK.
When I came into SL for the first time I didn't even know it had adult content because I wasn't of the mind to go looking for it, I wandered the mainland and met people and went to clubs and did a shit load of stuff and never once hear tell or spotted something that was adult related.
It was only later when I bothered to search for it (via the search engine duh) that I found any.. and I still have yet to see a flying dick.
You want to segregate the adults from the children Linden Labs, find another way, make it that you can't pan your camera through walls or something like that. This current proposed method is bullshit. But I guess it will work, you'll segregate the adults and children just fine, the adults will take their money to another world, and the children can stay and play on your servers on free, basic accounts.
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Neptune Shelman
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03-20-2009 19:22
From: Waterstar Eilde err... this implies that we were getting sense from you before... Enjoy your new continent, and I'll enjoy a better current mainland experience with any luck, without some of you. No I am not a big business in SL, I come here to dabble in many things, I pay tier to do as I like. Making money is not a driving factor for me, being creative and having fun is far more important. Sorry I was unable to reassure anyone, that a few scare mongerers worried about their own business interests and trying to whip up support, from other non related businesses were actually wrong. Time will tell who was right. One things for sure when the cr*ppy built sex clubs get the boot some localised mainland will be far more aesthetically pleasing. Something I am happy about so I am off to be selfish and see what happens next.
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samatha Congrejo
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03-20-2009 19:38
From: Neptune Shelman No not that interested. I only care how many actually will be affected and quite frankly I don't believe anyone has a clue.
Yes and they get 100% of all their tier payments, it might cost them a little bit but people are unlikely to stop buying lindens, selling lindens etc.
Who knows? And exactly where does all that teir money come from? You think it is all premium accounts?? 1/2? I get the feeling that you think this change will somehow financially Benifit you.
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Silas Sachs
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03-20-2009 19:45
From: someone Why not a G-rated continent? This is not about teenagers in Second Life or the Teen Grid. This is about providing a choice about the kind of experience people want to have in Second Life, which is fundamentally an 18+ service. Go ahead, pull the other one. You people are the worst liars.
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Phoebe Hatfield
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"Nature knows no indecencies. Man invents them" - Mark Twain
03-20-2009 20:06
I am incredibly sick and tired of this idea our society has that there is something wrong with sex and nudity that people need to be "protected" from. Sex is a natural, fundamentally necessary part of life. Sex is what creates life. Lack of access to sex makes people frustrated, bitter, and unhappy. Every single one of you has a natural, naked human body underneath your clothes, and the only thing shameful about your natural, naked human body is the fact that you feel shameful about it.
Anyone who thinks that accidentally seeing avatar porn is going to damage them in some way is already broken. So 5% or less of Second Life is "adult" content. Big deal. It's already incredibly easy to avoid... I've been playing for four years now and have yet to stumble across any adult content I wasn't trying to find. This change is going to have very little effect on those who don't partake of the hornier parts of the grid, but it's going to be a major inconvenience to everyone who is forced to relocate to the ghetto.
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Anabella Spark
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03-20-2009 20:10
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan In other words, leave us alone LL. At least as long as you earn money because of us. Ah and one more thing... Sorry we are such freaks.  hahaha
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Da5id Weatherwax
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03-20-2009 20:11
Neptune, now you;re showing your true colors.
DFTT folks.
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Stromko Perkins
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03-20-2009 20:16
What about all the couples who express their relationships, privately, and are therefore indulging in 'adult' content? They're going to feel it necessary to move, because their bedrooms in Mature sims are no longer legal.
I've been here since 2003, at least 50% of the people I met back then would indulge in adult relations in SL, and that percentage has only grown with every successive year.
It's kind of the only thing that SL does really well, better than the dozens of adult-only MMOs that are trying to get a piece of the pie right now.
But whoever's running SL would rather have it be full of corporate boardrooms and PR kiosks with branded t-shirts and energy drinks.
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-20-2009 20:18
From: Shockwave Yareach YOU are not, no. Aristotle, your partner for age verification, DOES ask for this information. When I verified, I used my DL number as there is no way in hell I'll give out the other two. And while I think some of the complaints about verification are a bit over the top, asking people for their SSN or their passport is asking for too much. FWIW, Aristotle only asks for one's last four digits of his or her SSN. While it is certainly debatable whether or not having one's last-four is invasive to one's privacy, it's nowhere near as bad as having to divulge one's entire SSN.
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Anabella Spark
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03-20-2009 20:21
From: Phoebe Hatfield I am incredibly sick and tired of this idea our society has that there is something wrong with sex and nudity that people need to be "protected" from. Sex is a natural, fundamentally necessary part of life. Sex is what creates life. Lack of access to sex makes people frustrated, bitter, and unhappy. Every single one of you has a natural, naked human body underneath your clothes, and the only thing shameful about your natural, naked human body is the fact that you feel shameful about it.
Anyone who thinks that accidentally seeing avatar porn is going to damage them in some way is already broken. So 5% or less of Second Life is "adult" content. Big deal. It's already incredibly easy to avoid... I've been playing for four years now and have yet to stumble across any adult content I wasn't trying to find. This change is going to have very little effect on those who don't partake of the hornier parts of the grid, but it's going to be a major inconvenience to everyone who is forced to relocate to the ghetto. And the worst thing is that WE the adults must protect other ADULTS against naked pixel avatars and virtual blood and guns.... Come on.... turn on TV, buy magazines, look over the web, there is more porn, violence etc. and it's all real. I'm sick and tired of telling me that virtual nipple will damage personality to the point where there is no return.
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-20-2009 20:25
From: Blondin Linden What about content on this island? You are suggesting a PG welcome area yes? A PG welcome area devoid of noisy, racist particle bombs and people running around with prim penises soliciting everyone around for sex -- unlike the existing PG welcome areas. This is why your plan cannot work. If the current Welcome Areas cannot be effectively policed, then how is a new Adult continent going to make any difference to anyone's in-world experience?
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Rene Erlanger
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03-20-2009 20:28
The powers that be...are doing it for this reason From: Amity Slade To confirm what some of us have known, the annoucement of an adult continent is almost entirely an action for Second Life to obtain good press at a time when the press had started turning on it. Whereas a few weeks ago, the widely propagated headling was on the death of Second Life, and more recently the criticism of government spending on a "fantasy world," now the headline is "Second Life Still Alive and Kicking." In part because it's finally dealing with the smut problem. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03/16/second-life-still-alive-and-kicking And the major coup is getting a widely read and respected publication to carry the story. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/12/AR2009031204103.html The latter article contains an interesting sentence that seems to deflect the concern that Linden Lab is screwing people who invested in their adult content, "Residents that own land earmarked for adult activities will not have to move, but they'll be required to rope off the area and set up age-verification controls." Not what Linden Lab told us in the forums, but it's what the Washington Post is running. This is, by the way, why opposing Linden Lab on the basis of some sort of discrimination against adult content, or right to adult content, will fail. The media, and the money that flows from good press, just don't agree. And that's why I say the real issue is pointing out that Linden Lab happily took money from people investing in adult content, under the rules provided by Linden Lab, and now Linden Lab is re-writing the rules without consent, resulting in signficant financial loss to a lot of people who trusted Linden Lab to deal in good faith and honor its commitments. If you think that Linden's garbage in the forums on the issue has made them look bad, right now, you are wrong. The media are giving Linden Lab an A+ for the move. Edit: Here's another article I found. Though it doesn't praise Linden Lab's new Adult policy like the other two do, take note that the only source of information in any of these articles comes solely from Linden Lab employees. Linden Lab is writing the press. http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/virtualworlds/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=215900011&pgno=1&queryText=&isPrev=
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-20-2009 20:33
From: Phoenix Welles EDIT: and as somebody else pointed out so aptly earlier in this thread... how are they going to find those of us who need to move? Either we tell them or they land search. I'm just being clear that I'm fairly sure I'm affected.  A 400-meter erect phallus on your land should be sufficient. Make sure "fullbright" is set so it gets easily noticed! 
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