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Rayne Keynes
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03-29-2009 05:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
That's an inline picture. What messed up browser are you using that doesn't show it?


Probably IE,... seems about her speed.
Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
03-29-2009 05:41
From: Nany Kayo
Do they really not have any difference between public and private overseas? They just do it in the open like the animals in the zoo? In the shops and the offices and government buildings and the schools?

Now, now, no need to troll other countries. As has been pointed out many times, there *is* very little difference between a public area and a private home in SL. While some places are obviously designed to mimic the real world and are clear cut, the design considerations in SL make it so that your private house can look like a park (no need to deal with the elements or gravity) .... just like a commercial area can look like a house. Besides, not even ban lines protect you from a cam so there really is no such thing as privacy from anyone on your continent.
Valerius Constantine
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Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
03-29-2009 05:42
From: Originally Posted by Argent Stonecutter
So which came first, "Mamma Mia" or "Bohemian Rhapsody"?[/QUOTE

From: Kara Spengler
is of little importance as they just are in symbiosis with each other.


biologically speaking, "Mamma Mia" would have had to come first- A slight mutation in "Bicycle" caused changes in the larval "Mamma Mia", which became "Bohemian Rhapsody" after it emerged from its cassette-case.

-V-
Kator Bergson
I'm freakin out man!
Join date: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 125
03-29-2009 05:51
From: Kaiyla Han
Word filtering has always been used... filtering mature and everything else has always been used... To say 2-4% is not true. Look at the bigger picture..... I say a quarter of SL is adult oriented and 75% is everything else.

Incorrect, check my post above about linden laws and commandments. Complete accident but I'm not taking it down because it proves just how messed up LL is trying to censor things yet those words exist on these forums.
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
03-29-2009 05:52
From: Grady Vuckovic
If suddenly LL brought in rules saying 'Everyone has to move their skyboxes down',
... it would make all the problems worse.

We need *better* skyboxes.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205
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Kara Spengler
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Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
03-29-2009 06:00
From: Minx Eisenhart

Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life.

Calling others work Trash is Degrading and aginst the comunity standerds

Interesting they should come up again. I made a post a couple thousand back saying LL was not following the CS (and quoting them) with this policy.
Valerius Constantine
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Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
Public vs private
03-29-2009 06:00
From: Nany Kayo
This discussion has made me curious about whether people are actually doing the same stuff in public in other countries that they do in SL.

Do they really not have any difference between public and private overseas? They just do it in the open like the animals in the zoo? In the shops and the offices and government buildings and the schools?


Only if they're attractive and talented- The sex critics over there are *merciless*!

-V-
Valerius Constantine
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Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
Hmmmm.
03-29-2009 06:05
From: Couldbe Yue
am I the only one that thinks LL is being a bit tacky in doing the bread and circuses thing again?

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/press/blog/2009/03/27/coming-next-week--1st-annual-second-life-resident-choice-awards

they've managed to organise for this blog to be translated into multiple languages...

but then I suppose this is a very important message.

Since we get to vote for whom we want.. which particular outrage shall we make the most popular? Wonderland? Stepford? somewhere equally off the register for the majority of the sl population?

Call me evil but i do rather like the idea of the most popular site in sl being something that not only is going to be banished to the far reaches of the grid, but is actually what they would consider uber extreme..

just a pr disaster waiting to happen..

/me looks innocently around at you lot..



Forgive me a cruel chuckle... heh, heh, heh!
(cue the "tales from the crypt" music)

-V-
Argent Stonecutter
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03-29-2009 06:06
From: Kittyn Fuhr
Bright Shiny Objects
Shinies!? Where!?
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Aina Gothly
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Join date: 24 May 2008
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question
03-29-2009 06:09
i have a question, since i have had credit card info on file before with my old bank account and actualy used it, even though ive taken it off for the account being closed am i covered in the ruling as being able to maintain access to the "Adult" content of Second Life, for alot of my daily work and dealings deal with stuff that would fall into the "Adult" Catagory. thank you, i hope for an answer soon.
Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
03-29-2009 06:15
From: Patasha Marikh
As per usual Nany took a point of fact and then completely obliterated it. Just to clarify. Yes, it is a violation of US Federal Law to advertise something as American Indian MADE if it is not. The key word in there being MADE.


Right, would I have a problem with a vendor saying something is a Finnish Sauna, a Danish flag, or an Irish pub? No, those are just descriptors.
Wynochee LeShelle
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Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
Attorney at bedside
03-29-2009 06:23
The most interesting point for my outsider-view is (from outside of the US watching) that for americans like the Lindens, it seems it could be positive variable for them to bring fear and pressure and the metaphore of "sin" back into any sexual context.

The new move of LL shows that the Lindens discovered a possibility how to manage a companys campaign with the target that sexuality can cause fear and uncertainty in people again. Companied is that hysteria through the perspective that sexuality and fear through the worries by outlook on juristic follow-ups (and if its a ban or a forced move, or a new rating or a dismembering or in worst case an attorney...) can brought to a "positive" conjunction seen from an US american view, or better to say, seen from LLs point of view.

Sexuality, fear and the attorney standing on sides of the bed, the rug or the poseball begins to make sense for them.

This is the dangerous part in here, means in "new SL".

This seems to be the last battle and the last resistance against the global expanding entropy of erotic and sexuality and against parts of the more freedom loving, enlightend and modern US american community and against other non-puritanic parts of the world, incl. Europe, Asia and the now open eastern Europe.

The last fight of US-anti-erotic fundamentalism and puritanic hypokrisia against free floating fascinations.

We can call that: War on eros! War against the "evil" axis of amor and eros and sensitivity.

What LL started here is literal: War on emotions and fantasy, joy, self-design, self-experiment and war on erotica of all sorts.

Hidden in that is the buckled (perv?) lust of the protagonists at LL, to make the most complex drama out of the the most natural and most wonderful fascination.

All consciously meaningless and featureless reactions of Blondin in the transcript of Katheryne showing this again and explicite. (Thanks Katheryne for the transcript)

This reaches a not acceptable dimension, what they play here with us!

What we have to notice here is not more and not less than the total mobilization of all possible troops and weapons against the human basic condition and against body-expression and body-contact in general, even on a virtual avatar base.

Sidenote: this goes, from my view, hand in hand with the new sexualstyle of the upper-upperclass in the USA, a medic (Viagra), a sportive (fast, hectic, heroic) and a dietary style, were sexuality is barely accepted as kind of sport and nothing more. Sanitary...

Sensitivity is out. Fantasy is out and all outer american sexual styles are: out.

It is shrinked to a fitness program wich has to take place only in hidden, steril workout rooms in the basement, then shower, then biz again.

End of sidenote-metaphore.

Back to topic.

What the discussion with Blondin shows demonstrative exemplaric is, that they mean it serious.

Private censoring, made by a private company, realized by the fitting type of employee(s) - to- and in this I agree with much people here, to dictate a whole community wich comes from all over the planet.

This - and I said that often, cannot be answered with compromises or with being passive lemmings, because it touches our human rights at one of their most sensible points.

These are methods, wich no normal citizen would accept from any government and sure not from a private company, wich entrapt us with the slogan: "your world. your imagination"

The try of LL, to bring together what was finally separated after hundreds of years struggling, means: the try to bring together and in connotation again: sexuality, fear and penalization, censorship and coercive power - against us free community, can only be answered and has to be serious answered with a serious revolte and a serious fight for our rights and our freedom of expression, because for that we do pay here.

And not only for that - not only for "sex" - we pay for a platform wich offers freedom of design in general.

The as ever tricky and nothing saying, faked helpless overcomming comments of Blondin, are containing a specific - unspoken - information: "we don't care about the dignity of our customers, we are willing and able to demoralize them: when, and how and as much we like, if it goes about the plans of the company for whatever reasons, me as part of the corporate team will do all to fulfill that mission."

It is a salami tactic. Step by step demoralizing, is the target. This they meant with "smooth".

This is, what i read out of the transcription again.

It is horrible!
Wynochee LeShelle
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Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
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03-29-2009 06:25
From: Valerius Constantine
Only if they're attractive and talented- The sex critics over there are *merciless*!

-V-


Truuuuueeeee! ;-)
Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
03-29-2009 06:29
From: Katheryne Helendale
Here's a challenge for you: Next time you see avatars bumping uglies at your feet, take a note of their payment information. If they're NPIOF, then they wouldn't be able to do it where appropriate under your supported policy even if they wanted to.


IN fact, they'll be limited to doing it in *inappropriate* areas, since they cannot leave PG/mature territory without age verification/PIOF.

-V-
Kara Spengler
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Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
03-29-2009 06:36
From: Valerius Constantine
Thinking that opening a new continent, just for the tight-asses to live, so that they can stop bothering the rest of us for existing, and LL can stop shitting a brick over what the suits are going to think all done in a *completely voluntary manner* would be greeted as a *good* thing, is Naive?

The problem is people do have valid reasons for living in any part of SL, including PG regions. Okay, let us say you do create a PG continent and 'encourage' PG players to move there (but voluntarily of course). What about the ones that refuse to be ghetoized? They will get looks and such from their peers as to why they wanted to stay on the original mainland rather than with other PG players.

Wrong is wrong. I am involved in this issue because NO group in SL should be forced to do this. Saying a hypothetical alternative would be 'voluntary' is just something to make you feel good and is no different than 'compulsory' in what happens. In most cases the individual would get massive pressure from their population to conform.
Ryanna Enfield
Registered User
Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
03-29-2009 06:40
From: Wynochee LeShelle
The most interesting point for my outsider-view is (from outside of the US watching) that for americans like the Lindens, it seems it could be positive variable for them to bring fear and pressure and the metaphore of "sin" back into any sexual context.

The new move of LL shows that the Lindens discovered a possibility how to manage a companys campaign with the target that sexuality can cause fear and uncertainty in people again. Companied is that hysteria through the perspective that sexuality and fear through the worries by outlook on juristic follow-ups (and if its a ban or a forced move, or a new rating or a dismembering or in worst case an attorney...) can brought to a "positive" conjunction seen from an US american view, or better to say, seen from LLs point of view.

Sexuality, fear and the attorney standing on sides of the bed, the rug or the poseball begins to make sense for them.

This is the dangerous part in here, means in "new SL".

This seems to be the last battle and the last resistance against the global expanding entropy of erotic and sexuality and against parts of the more freedom loving, enlightend and modern US american community and against other non-puritanic parts of the world, incl. Europe, Asia and the now open eastern Europe.

The last fight of US-anti-erotic fundamentalism and puritanic hypokrisia against free floating fascinations.

We can call that: War on eros! War against the "evil" axis of amor and eros and sensitivity.

What LL started here is literal: War on emotions and fantasy, joy, self-design, self-experiment and war on erotica of all sorts.

Hidden in that is the buckled (perv?) lust of the protagonists at LL, to make the most complex drama out of the the most natural and most wonderful fascination.

All consciously meaningless and featureless reactions of Blondin in the transcript of Katheryne showing this again and explicite. (Thanks Katheryne for the transcript)

This reaches a not acceptable dimension, what they play here with us!

What we have to notice here is not more and not less than the total mobilization of all possible troops and weapons against the human basic condition and against body-expression and body-contact in general, even on a virtual avatar base.

Sidenote: this goes, from my view, hand in hand with the new sexualstyle of the upper-upperclass in the USA, a medic (Viagra), a sportive (fast, hectic, heroic) and a dietary style, were sexuality is barely accepted as kind of sport and nothing more. Sanitary...

Sensitivity is out. Fantasy is out and all outer american sexual styles are: out.

It is shrinked to a fitness program wich has to take place only in hidden, steril workout rooms in the basement, then shower, then biz again.

End of sidenote-metaphore.

Back to topic.

What the discussion with Blondin shows demonstrative exemplaric is, that they mean it serious.

Private censoring, made by a private company, realized by the fitting type of employee(s) - to- and in this I agree with much people here, to dictate a whole community wich comes from all over the planet.

This - and I said that often, cannot be answered with compromises or with being passive lemmings, because it touches our human rights at one of their most sensible points.

These are methods, wich no normal citizen would accept from any government and sure not from a private company, wich entrapt us with the slogan: "your world. your imagination"

The try of LL, to bring together what was finally separated after hundreds of years struggling, means: the try to bring together and in connotation again: sexuality, fear and penalization, censorship and coercive power - against us free community, can only be answered and has to be serious answered with a serious revolte and a serious fight for our rights and our freedom of expression, because for that we do pay here.

And not only for that - not only for "sex" - we pay for a platform wich offers freedom of design in general.

The as ever tricky and nothing saying, faked helpless overcomming comments of Blondin, are containing a specific - unspoken - information: "we don't care about the dignity of our customers, we are willing and able to demoralize them: when, and how and as much we like, if it goes about the plans of the company for whatever reasons, me as part of the corporate team will do all to fulfill that mission."

It is a salami tactic. Step by step demoralizing, is the target. This they meant with "smooth".

This is, what i read out of the transcription again.

It is horrible!


You bring up some very valid and interesting points in this post.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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03-29-2009 06:47
From: Kara Spengler
The problem is people do have valid reasons for living in any part of SL, including PG regions. Okay, let us say you do create a PG continent and 'encourage' PG players to move there (but voluntarily of course). What about the ones that refuse to be ghetoized? They will get looks and such from their peers as to why they wanted to stay on the original mainland rather than with other PG players.

Wrong is wrong. I am involved in this issue because NO group in SL should be forced to do this. Saying a hypothetical alternative would be 'voluntary' is just something to make you feel good and is no different than 'compulsory' in what happens. In most cases the individual would get massive pressure from their population to conform.


Good point! Excellent!
Kara Spengler
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03-29-2009 06:53
From: Wynochee LeShelle
Good point! Excellent!

Thanks, we should be working together against the issue. Not every SL population trying to scapegoat each other or people deciding what is their personal ick ... the Lindens WANT us to do that. They are happy to divide and conquer.
Ryanna Enfield
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Join date: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 225
03-29-2009 06:53
From: Kara Spengler
The problem is people do have valid reasons for living in any part of SL, including PG regions. Okay, let us say you do create a PG continent and 'encourage' PG players to move there (but voluntarily of course). What about the ones that refuse to be ghetoized? They will get looks and such from their peers as to why they wanted to stay on the original mainland rather than with other PG players.

Wrong is wrong. I am involved in this issue because NO group in SL should be forced to do this. Saying a hypothetical alternative would be 'voluntary' is just something to make you feel good and is no different than 'compulsory' in what happens. In most cases the individual would get massive pressure from their population to conform.


Social pressure should be a concern. But possibly it is viewed as motivation in Linden Lab's eyes?
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Waterstar Eilde
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Posts: 404
03-29-2009 07:01
From: Aina Gothly
i have a question, since i have had credit card info on file before with my old bank account and actualy used it, even though ive taken it off for the account being closed am i covered in the ruling as being able to maintain access to the "Adult" content of Second Life, for alot of my daily work and dealings deal with stuff that would fall into the "Adult" Catagory. thank you, i hope for an answer soon.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it has to be currently on file.
Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
Sex and expression
03-29-2009 07:03
From: Patasha Marikh
How does sex silence other kinds of expression?


Well, some of us get pretty distracted during, and out of breath after, so it makes communication a little difficult...

and then there's the oral sex, which makes everything you say sound like mumbling.

-V-
Jesse Nacht
Registered User
Join date: 2 Apr 2008
Posts: 6
Well
03-29-2009 07:04
From: Grady Vuckovic
"Warning, you are entering Second Life. Second Life is rated R, for:
- Strong frequent intense sex scenes
- Strong frequent course language
- Strong frequent drug use
- Adult themes
- Horror themes
- Extreme frequent gore
- Interspecies sex
- Strong frequent large flying penis's
- Frequent Linden sightings
- Strong course LSL scripting
- Strong frequent bad spelling
- Strong frequent bad grammer
- Strong frequent bad punctuation.
- Strong frequent bad humor
- Strong frequent bad emoting
- Strong frequent complaining Nany's
- Furries
- Humans
- Those who refuse to be either
- That guy, behind you about 20m's, who's been looking at you all night, and has that big hat on, hiding his face, acting all creepyish..
- More large flying penis's
- Strong frequent crashes
- Lack of array's in scripting language
- Very frequent crashing
- More crashing
- Frequent teleport failures
- Frequent teleport failures followed by crashing
- Frequent crashing followed by crashing
- NO BLOODY ARRAY'S IN LSL!
- Grady Vuckovic
- Chickens

Do you wish to proceed? [Yes] [No]"




Part of me thinks that they (LL) will make all the beastiality/ furry pose ball clubs/necrophilia Sims move to the end of the virtual worlds way out in lag hell then go on an advertisement campaign to market second life specifically to teenagers and other world of war craft players (big cash flow) then not enforce any of its own rules!
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03-29-2009 07:05
Are we at 4000 posts yet?
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Lord Sullivan
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03-29-2009 07:05
From: Lord Sullivan
Are we at 4000 posts yet?


seems not yet :P
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Waterstar Eilde
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03-29-2009 07:06
From: Lord Sullivan
Are we at 4000 posts yet?

Nearly - but not much further forward... :(