Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I had a slightly humorous thought. There are many creators that own no land and sell only through other venues. Some of those are adult content porviders. Will LL now have to provide ADULT sandboxes?

(Talk about stepping in the kitty litter )

I am a co owner of a gorean sim...and I have a real issue with being singled out by a handful of people, who have the choice of coming to our sim or not. If they so choose to come, after pulling our sim up in search where it clearly states, mature content, and in the description exactly what is envolved here, that is their choice, why should my sim have to be under attack and made to more than likely suffer due to just a handful of people?
It's no different than a rl movie rating, our ratings are put there to warn these types of people what they can encounter on our sims. I pay for my right to be here and do what i please on my sim, where my sim is currently. I'll bet half my sim costs that most of these complainers don't do anymore than log in to do just that, complain. Not enough they do this in the real world, trying to control other peoples lives, but to come to a fantasy world and do it is out of hand. DO NOT visit my sim if it bothers you, same as a rl movie, don't like rated R, DO NOT GO, it is that simple.

I am for verifying age, but, I can get online and access trailers of porn movies, without varifying my age, and that is REAL people on those videos, if your kids get access to SL and come to a Mature sim, then it's up to the parent to deal with that in RL, restrict their comp use, but do not restrict MINE. And before someone yells at me for saying that, I DO HAVE KIDS IN RL. I am an adult and this is my choice of RP and use of MY SL, how dare anyone tell me what I, and my adult friends, can and can't do on the SIM I PAY FOR!

I have a thought, if you, no matter your age, are offended by some of the content on certain MATURE areas of SL, then don't go there. Wow, there's a shocking concept!

I say if LL is going to do this to the "mature" people of SL, probably the ones that financially support Sl more than the ones that are complaining about US, then make our land free. Why should I pay for land in a virtual world where I am being singled out as some kind of perv that needs to be tucked away and my sim harder to access by adults that want to be here? Let the offended complainers, that make the choice to visit my sim, pay for SL.

LL are asking for a definition, they may take part of my definition or yours or Nany's to make they own definition of what content will be allowed to remain on current mainland sims.

Interpretation is always going to be a problem, someones always going to be unhappy with any definition, things are going to be missed that people never considered they would see.

You are perfectly right to ask the question.
Why would death per se have to be classified as Mature in SL unless extremely shocking violence and gore is involved?
I didn't think of why people would show scenes of death, maybe a news stream or a film show should not be restricted to adult even if it contains death scenes.

As far as 18's they shouldn't be in SL, they have a teen grid and for their own safety that is where they should stay in my view.


As far as we should use our own discretion, if I own a plot of land and someone opens an porno video store next to me I don't have that luxury of discretion, I have to sell my land and move away if I don't want to see the porn pictures every time I log in.
Saying Oh you don't like porn pictures you should live in a PG sim, is simply not good enough, I have mature tastes and do things that may be considered adult.
I don't mind porn, I just don't want it in my face all the while, so I am happy they are moving to a new area.


LL are not talking about creating some sort of nanny state to tell you what you can and can not be offended by.
They are talking about putting certain things that the majority of people I assume, do not want to come accross in SL, without choosing to directly, by moving them elsewhere.
I say I assume majority as LL have asked for your input, everyones input not just a few puritans, not just my input, everyones.
So it is possible they may listen to all of us and come out with something that meets what the majority wants.
Its also possible they might not and everyone will still be unhappy, but if you don't put forward your definitions you can't blame them for not taking heed of your views.
When they come out with their final proposal and their definition of what constitutes adult content.

Yeah totally agree there I agree with the adult moving but like you i am not keen on a forced move if we have to which i think we will, as we have created an area for our RL members of our profile website (which is definitely adult lol) to play in as well as SL members.

But over the years i have got used to LL sometimes short-sightedness and inability to forecast future things lol im following this thread but it seems in the main not worth contributing further to atm as all i see is a re hash of questions as people do not bother to read the previous posts lol

Base line is as you rightly say is its their company and they can do with it as they wish and we all know good old Mitch see us players with disdain, so now i will sit and wait to see how this is going to happen and when

I can name about 6 sites with no verifiacation that you can watch porn movies, anyone can get to them, even on accident (yes, that's how I stumbled onto some of them) the case here is very different, you have to login, teleport and MOVE to these areas. so you have to be WILING to go there. sound fishy? sure does to me.

Shorts maybe or less detail in PG and standard detail in mature sims, I was never considering skins to be adult content.
They are not going to change rules of what can be shown in PG areas though are they?
so I guees they stay as they are in PG sims.

Someone posted this reply by Avion Raymaker from another forum thread:

"In my opinion, the it's not the value of this land vs. that land that I'm concerned about. It's more the overall SL experience is diminished. It's like the dream is dying. It's like real life has caught up with SL. It's no longer hilariously outrageous everywhere you look anymore. We have to behave, or move to a special ghetto. So the "real grid" will be neat and clean and won't offend children or good Christians. It's like 1860 in the Old West, and the railroad is coming, and we're going to be a state, and so now the saloons and the brothels are closing, the murder rate goes way down, and the churches are going up. Yes, it's probably inevitable and the right direction to move in, but it just isn't as much fun.

--Avion"

I think that sums up the feelings of a lot of us...except that I take exception to "...the right direction to move in". If this was RL, I would agree. A lot of the "flavor" of the Old West came at a high price. But this is SL. You can't be harmed by a stray bullet from that lawless shootout down the street, or beat up in a saloon brawl. We can have the fun and whimsy and "hilariously outrageous" without the drawbacks.

But SL is a world of the mind and the emotions. As a result, I think repression, intolerance, and narrow mindedness are much greater evils here. And that is exactly the direction LL wants to take us.

A predictable Second Life is not just "not as much fun". It's the death of everything SL really means. LL is killing the dream that was SL and stuffing the corpse into a shiny coffin. It'll look good on display, but it won't be alive.

One thing is crystal clear.

Tolerance is no longer a word that can be associated with Linden Lab.

Linden Lab needs to rewrite the Community Standards to reflect Linden Lab's new born again christian mentality.

Something occurred to me, on the intellectual property front.

Isn't LL violating the MPAA's trademark on "PG" in a rating system, because the LL definition of PG doesn't apply to movies and doesn't match the MPAA's definition of PG?

I'm a christian, but I'm not this stuck-up about it, the bible says "do onto others as you would have them do unto you" now.. I'm not one for finger pointing, but these "puratians" are disecting their own beliefs, and using it for personal gain, which is a sin mind you. I don't want to go too deeply into religion, but there's the golden rule that we are supposed to follow.

are they following it?

if I'm thinking as you are, yes, they are.

Saiki, you miss the point. MATURE content is not a problem. Its the ADULT (or x-rated) content which actually constitutes a very small part of SL that is being discussed in these threads.

maybe you need to reread what has been said to be considered "adult" my anthro, even fully clothed, by the definition they set forth would be adult.

it's the whole beastiality thing. mystique won't even let me around her parcel while I'm in it. (not that I go nearby anymore anyway, but that's beside the point)

and I'll reiterate that once again, you have to GO there WILLINGLY to see it, so if you don't want to see it, go somewhere else.

and since you're so adament of saying it's just the adult stuff.. define adult.

SL is for adults, walk around some, you'll see most of it is more than that "mature" rating they want to place on things. mature means you're capable of handeling adult situations and things. but I'd love ot hear what you consider mature


if I can quote the famous Metallica for a minute: "Love is a 4-letter word, that's never spoken here"

I agree on a script that delivers info when you land about the content you will encounter on said sim.........wait, we have that, infact our sim uses it, delivers the rules of our sim which include, at the TOP OF THE NC, what is more than likely going to be your experience on our sim ( and it's delivered to you at the TP point, a nice safe market area, a "safezone", long before you take the next TP to the actual sim where the RP is taking place). Hmm, if you refuse the NC or refuse to take the five min it takes to read it, not my problem.......that is you accepting responsibility of your own actions and choices. Enter at your own risk? yes you are when you ignore my sim's NC of info.

When i visit a PG sim, i don't go naked or even exposed, i respect them, why not respect my sim and rules? No where does it say you HAVE to be naked, or interact in the RP or even come in and walk around, you have a choice, stay and visit it or leave, or don't even TP there. But if curiosity brought you here, don't complain after, says plainly, Mature and lists the type of Rp it is in the description.

I do not go to sims that might offend me, after reading the description, but then again I am being an adult there, making my own decission and taking responsibility for it, shrugs. Not ignoring the 'warning signs' walking in and then complaining like a big baby to daddy linden.

Originally Posted by Nany Kayo
We need access to as broad an international venue as possible. We are here to meet the whole world.

If this is nothing but a porn site, it is useless. We don't want to meet people in a brothel.


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There you go again...using 'we', when in fact you are stating your own PERSONAL preferences. 'We' includes a lot of people with totally different preferences.

Nobody is forcing you to meet people in a brothel. So what, exactly, is your problem ? I would guess that you are simply one of those professional offendees...who even if there was zero chance of you ever seeing adult content....would STILL gripe that it was going on somewhere.

As for 'international venue'......oh God not another encroachment of augmentalism. This is supposed to be a metaverse. A TRUE metaverse is an immersionist world in its own right, with no connection to the 'real' world.

If SL is to increasingly become just a glorified RL dating agency and real world 'educational' venue and place for big companies to advertise.......then it is NO LONGER a metaverse and those of us who know what one is will kiss LL goodbye and create our own.

Funny you should mention that ...

Recently there were a series of incidents where child skin vendors had their vendors removed. They were wearing shorts and such so by any reasonable standard they were G, but some Linden took it on themselves to rewrite the rulebook and change what was/was not allowed on RG sims.

What I'm wondering is whether my RL home town is run by LL: The local borough council gave planning permission for a live music venue, waited for it to be built and finished and then slapped a noise abatement order on it which allows noise levels at about the same level as shouting!!

I was at the SLbirthday sim with my uzis, not drawn, holstered, and I was told to leave of be ejected. now.. mind you I was looking for a linden at that time. Also having them holstered is pg by the defination posted a while back. so I was clearly within the rules of the sim when I went there. there was nothing wrog with my avi, yet someone felt the need to tell me there was.

After reading a lot of these posts, had to go look up the LL GTeam, and found that
... will be suspending all GTeam office hours for the rest of 2008 and restarting sometime next year.

Had to dig deeper and found: As of October 2008, GTeam consists of Colton, Kaylee, Minerva, Nicole, Plexus, Socrates, Teagan and Zara Linden with Harry Linden being their lead and coordinator.

Perhaps the LL GTeam can share their experiences about SL issues.
What type of complains have given rise to this discussion, so close to April 1?

I am curious how linden labs can be claiming the necessity to do this when linden lab itself causes untold X rated activity. Think not? Read on.

For the last 5 days, whenever I cross a sim boundary or teleport, I have to change my entire outfit and change it back. Why? Because although it looks OK to me, I am often asked why I'm not wearing a top... or a bottom... or my hair. I have been ejected for nudity in a non-nude place, despite the fact that on MY screen I'm wearing a full set of clothing. I.E. I have no way of knowing that others are not seeing my clothing.

But, if I switch every piece of clothing to something else and then back again, everything is fine - people see what I see.

I log in to Second Life, or teleport, or cross a sim boundary, and suddenly my AO doesn't work, or other items - the scripts fail to start and even more annoying, right clicking the item and asking it to remove so I can wear it again, thus resetting it, doesn't work - the item doesn't remove.

Sometimes teleporting simply loses the attachment - it's no longer attached when I arrive.

So, Linden Labs, if you are truly concerned about X-rated behaviour, i strongly suggest you fix your own basic operations first, else you are touting a "Do as we say, not as we do" philosophy.

And, while you're at it, how about reliable teleports, reliable group chat, reliable IMs (I had an IM go to my email while the IM before and after that, both sent by the same person within a minute arrived to my avatar.

Movement. Communications. Attachments. Scripts. Reliability. The things YOU are responsible for.

this is so simple, it's almost too hard not to laugh..............

DO NOT GO TO A MATURE SIM, hot damn, never thought it could be that simple. WOOHOO

Stay in the PG sims, and holy moly, if you see something there that offends you, TP OUT and don't go back........damn another fairly simple idea. WHOOHOO

I can not imagine how hard it is for some people to even drive their cars in RL, I mean to be smacked in the face daily by billboards with explicit content and stip club signs, to go in a store and see playboy behind the counter, hidden of course, but the name alone, wow.......must be so hard to be so offended so easily.

And a PG sim is not all that safe, I am guessing most of you have never heard of "greivers"? these are people, avs if you will, that go to ANY sim and cause grief, either naked and bumping into you with their exoposed peepee, or with spamming dirty sayings in open chat, particles releasers, scripts they leave behind, emitters of dirty pictures, and so on. And guess what, they can get into any sim, no matter the rating. I know, I have to kick them out and ban them from my sim at times.

So to be honest you are not safe anywhere, now are ya?

this was covered in the brownbag but my headset was cutting out so i dont want comment directly but it will be in the transscripts

Please don't confuse Mature with Adult content. Here's what Catherine Linden said on page 13, or post No. 182 of this thread:

"-- Is all content currently classified 'Mature' going to have to move to the Adult continent?
No. Our research found an estimated 2-4% of the mainland parcels would need to either relocate or reconfigure to meet the requirements, based on our current definitions of Adult content, which again, is an area where we’d appreciate your feedback."

I love the log in............can't log you in, moving you to another region, and what region? a PG one..........laughs. I try to log in to my home, my sim, my mature sim, and I at times log out of Sl for the day/night, not dressed so PG and Linden logs me back in, to a PG sim cause mine is down for a couple min.............hmmm, so is it my fault if I rez at a PG sim half naked? I DON'T THINK SO, I didn't choose to go there, I was sent there against my will! LOL

So i am apologizing now to all the ones I've ever offended agaisnt my will, for rez'n(through a forced log in to a place other than my sim) into your PG sim, half naked or naked, whatever the case.

PLEASE can we stop the 'brown bag' reference ...this isn't a global term...in many places it's for people to be sick into.....apt??