Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Sooo Mickey Mouse hugging or kissing someone is Adult? Okaaaaayyyyy...

I am in favour of redesignating the Teen grid to Family grid. It's silly that family members cannot visit with each other in Second Life, and I think I would prefer to be in a virtual world where I was not so likely to be cussed at and had innuendo made when I just want to chat like normal people do in real life situations.

No but Minnie Mouse copping a feel of my butt during a photo shoot irl was pretty adult.

lol... ya gotta love this... and Blue Linden is to blame for all this nonsense I just found out. He is the one pushing this darn thing.... boooo Blue.

Maybe Blue should quit the video game entertainment business and go work somewhere else if that really is the case. Somehow I find it hard to believe a non executive could be forcing a legal agenda that is almost certain to incur legal staff time for a long time to come.

While i am aware that in the last 200 some odd posts ahead of mine, people have very likely addressed these issues, after watching this debate for some time, i have to throw my 2$ worth in... yes.. more than 2 cents... cause.. yeah.
I own an entire mainland MATURE sim... i acquired it over a 3 year period. I own/run an ADULT business on said sim... its listed as ADULT...I personally am age verified...but a lot of my renters and employees are not... nor can they be due to their countries regulations. My sim is on the side of a mountain. I have spent 3 years... paying in 200$ USD a month, to own my sim, and run my business. I have suffered the lag, the litter, the insane griefer attacks.. and after 5 years in SL, (Yes, for those that look me up in world.. this was an ALT... yes i have an active 04 account). I have been paid in fraudulent linden, and had my account suspended, because my services were not *tangible*, as opposed to those selling objects/skins/clothing. Yet I am here. I pay...every month. The idea that LL could simply move my sim.. and unless the neighboring mountain sims are moved... that means a complete rebuild. My business earns the money that pays my tier. If i have to stop, and completely rebuild.. is LL going to offer me compensation.. or as usual, expect me to continue to pay even when my business is at a stand still due to something beyond my control?
Glitches in the land joining process bumped me from a year long 1st place search position, to not in search at ALL for MONTHS... and LL ADMITTED it was a glitch on their part... yet... i still had to pay land tier when my business was losing money left and right. Is LL prepared to compensate in this case?

I have watched SL evolve from a flat world with no flexies, sculpties, windlight,voice, or parcel media, to the brilliant place it is today. To say that SL has only 2-4% *adult* content is...dreadfully under accurate. The same people you are attempting to police are earning linden, and SPENDING linden on other inworld content. We shop...LOTS. We support the clothing makers, the scriptors, the home builders, the texture and sculptie makers, we use that linden to help pay tiers...and are a viable part of the community. No one forces people to come to the *adult* places. As quickly as they may *accidentally* TP in, they can ctrl+shift+h back home. The sheer volume of responses to all the now locked threads, and the continued interest on this thread, should be a warning flag to LL that they are again, fixing to dive in head first with out checking the water first.

They say they are *meeting* with people, discussing this...well, who are you meeting with? I would love an invitation to sit in on these discussions.. and discuss the concerns of the people like myself... long-term *ADULT CONTENT* providers. My business JUST celebrated 3 years... yes THREE YEARS in business. Very few businesses of ANY type stay open consistently in SL for a year, much less two or three.. who is there to speak up for us? we stuck with SL thru all the changes...asked for and put upon us with no option..at least show us that our YEARS of dedication have not gone unnoticed.
I think thats about my 2$ worth....
~Brie

Actually, he/she did not edit the original post. A Linden did...

What's the source of this info?

just thought this was of interest:
http://www.qj.net/Porn-game-company-to-bypass-ESRB-Sony-Ninty-MS-to-create-own-adult-game-industry/pg/49/aid/126825

an eye-opener of a game, and a real truth of the world today


tell me that this doesn't sond like what's happening to SL, only in the exact oposite.

blushes... wikipedia.... okay, okay, so wiki is not that reliable, but gauging the by the other material there, it is accurate elsewhere...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life
Look at text under heading: "Separate Grids"

oh and the current CEO of LL has a self-proclaimed very low view of SL residents.. and the quote is sourced...

In some cases I would argue that should be PG.

wikipedia or wiki.secondlife.com ??

Fess up, Blue! Is this all your doing?

"We only want to force the extreme stuff to move to a ghetto" is not a viable policy. For any two people you can find material that both will agree is "extreme", and also find material they will disagree about categorizing as "extreme". Only an objective standard can be enforced.

Appealing to "community standards" won't cut it if you want your community to be global.

The RL wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life

See text under heading: "Separate Grids"

and a drivers lisence should MORE than suffice

He has independently told several of us the same thing. Sounds like he wants to help SL in general, but the solution is a bit off.

Yes I would agree with you there, but some do have some very detailed vulva's to use Kyles acceptable term, hence why I put them as mature

Let me just back up a minute here and clarify. There is a faction (A minority one I might add) of very, very vocal residents on SL who have been lobbying for ages to "clean up" SL. You know them. They are the people who walk into your BDSM clubs and complain about the pictures on the walls and the chains on your girls. They are the "irate mothers/fathers/elderly" who come to dance in your rock clubs and protest at the profanity in your music. They are the ones who screamed at you when you walked into their club in a !PG! sim in a child avatar, calling you out for Age Play you never committed. And now they are at our throats with the Media and politicians who, having a slow news run, have decided to shine the light on SL once more, this time "exposing" its dirty laundry. Namely everything that makes this place fun for the majority of people here.

What does this mean? It means that Linden Labs has decided to pascify the "Puritans". How? By shoving everything we enjoy into a corner and making nearly impossible for 90% of the residents who play on here to actually go enjoy themselves. Let's face it, SL is great at first, but there is precious few things to really keep us entertained after the shiney newness fades. Our hang outs, dance clubs and roleplay groupes, among many other things, are what keep us here. And they want to take it away. All those gun toting RolePlays you like? Gore and Blood is going to go, considered ADULT CONTENT and either shut down or force moved to the new Continent. All of those clubs you like to go to, with the skimpily clad dancers and good music? ADULT CONTENT, and yes, you guessed it, moved tot he new continent. All the Gorean stuff? HELLS YEAH! All the BDSM and Bondage and Vampire stuff? HELLS YEAH!

As I see it now put all the gay's, gorean, bdsm fans, btw Hitler try to do the same remember..................this is simply the worst thing SL ever did and will loose more more people am just simply very deceive by SL decision they are simply jerks that gave up for a minority always tought SL was a democratie.............simply said you discuss me now

if they want to merge the 2 grids then they need to move the PG areas, not the adult ones, restrict them to age, not a stupid credit card verification system.

Yes and the balcony of vulva count doocoo was standing on during the big execution scene in star wars 2 should have been rated X by moron standards being applied to Second Life.

I have my questions about that as i am not one to freely pass out personal information just to please some puritan that decides to come to a R or Adult (since they are not one) sim to just bitch about what we do. Yes i have a basic act and have had since 2007, i am a builder and shop owner and i am gorean. When i do visit PG sims i make sure to act accordingly with my surroundings so not to offend. I feel this is wrong for those of us that have been on SL for many years and agree that any new alt (as many kids allowed here now) do have to verify. This part makes me very unhappy as i love to wander the vast lands of SL and now feel i will be judged if i set foot on the pg sims and somebody doesnt like what my profile says. I came to SL as it is a virtual world to be able to be who i want to be and have the freedom of choice and not be judged. Now RL has come in and taking away from many of us who are handicapped and find joy here and a life we could not have in the real world. As for my shop it just saddens me as i build both gor and non-gor funiture.. anyways, thanks for the good times that we USE to have in SL.
narin Tomsen

I wish I did know them, this discussion would be easier then. I've seen people complaining about bots, traffic, search, stability, failed tp's, lost inventory items, lag, failed deliveries, losing land, land scams, openspaces, tier pricing, premium memberships, land prices but I honestly can't remember many people at all complaining about adult content.

Have they got a sort of batphone at Linden Lab HQ that these guys call because they aren't very vocal on forums or blogs.

True .... maybe something reasonable then? Like shorts? That way you can see most of the skin you are buying.

I appreciate you're offering a personal view and intending to help clarify things, but for me this just shows the futility of LL trying to define what is more or less acceptable for "Adult" listing.

What - under 18s never flirt? Your maiden aunt or kids would find flirting between adults somehow shocking or uncomfortable? Flirting is about THE most innocent and pleasant of conversational encounters between adults!

Depictions of death both real (the news broadcasts almost every day) and fictional (cop shows, westerns, video games for kids etc) are seen by all ages, in most countries, without anyone blowing a fuse over it. Why would death per se have to be classified as Mature in SL unless extremely shocking violence and gore is involved?

This only serves to underline that we all as adults ought to use our *own discretion* to choose the places we want to go and simply ignore, or walk, fly or TP away from anywhere or anything we personally find offensive. Having a Nanny State telling us what to be offended about is just silly. Predictably there will be too much disagreement over where the boundaries lie and LL will need a massive army of Classification Inspectors to check every disputed instance. It'll also be a field-day for griefers and nosey, interfering, busybody neighbours.

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Aes

Since the real issue is the merging of the adult and teen grids, thanks to Blue Linden, those complaints now become much more loud and relevant.

The merging of the two grids makes sense from a technical/maintenance point of view. It will save money through staff redundancies, IOW, people losing their jobs.

But why is it so fixed in the minds of the Lindens, that with all these teenagers coming into the adult grid, that people within the adult grid now have to be displaced. It's like the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1093s... but then, the USSR was a dictatorship... but then Linden Lab is......?