Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Holy macaroni Batman its 8 pages long!

OK here's the url:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/criminal-extreme-offence.htm

and here's an article (one of many about it)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/24/extreme_pron_law_live/


Honestly I should have looked this all up before I asked .. gee.. I'm being so Linden!

Actually you can.... the cursor nevers flashes on mine but I can still type in the area provided.

LL's main offices are in SAn Fransico, thier servers are on US soil.

LL has to abide by US laws. Period.

Well that does it. IF they take away my privates, I will have to go.
BT

LL doesn't need to prevent people from "framing" second life in a way they disapprove of, any more than Wikipedia or CNN do. This is a long-solved problem... what third-party products do with a web site are not the responsibility of the website. Some stuck-up sites may want to do something about it, but they tend to make laughingstocks of themselves... and there's no point to it.

A lot of people would find that very appropriate. I know the whole issue is certainly making ME feel ill...

ok. I've just had Blondin through my place and it appears on current thinking that my place is most likely mature - except for one word in my description which isnt..

He didn't tell me which one though so it's a choice between BDSM, sex, kinky or toys. I think it might be the word toys that is offensive but what do I know??

We've asked for a wider discussion. The fact is, very few people read these forums. We've asked LL to put this on the login screen. A vote, a survey, or even just a link to this discussion. Nothing.



Not exactly. People have posted it's their right to do what they want ON THEIR OWN LAND, the land LL sold them with the expectation that, being "Mature", they could do with it what they wanted. It's NOT the right of anyone to do anything anywhere. For example, I would AR someone running naked through Livingtree soliciting the kids for sex. I *wish* LL would do something about the gesture spammers and foulmouthed showoffs in the PG Welcome Areas. None of the LL proposals speak to THAT sort of "unpredictable SL experience"...which is much more likely to cause random offense than a sex club.

So, I've read the Adult Content FAQ......

If they are going to be allowing the use 'Payment Info Verified' as a method of adult verification, then I, as an adult content provider, am behind this change and the segregation. While I see this as something which will, no doubt, hurt my business in the short term, I do believe it will be a benefit to adult business in the long term.

Why?

If all adult content is to be packed into one common area, it means that as an adult provider, you are more likely to be seen by the people actually looking for adult content-- instead of having to advertise and spread yourself all over the grid, you only need to focus your efforts in one area, where you know your entire target audience will be.

That, to me, is like putting all the fish in a pond in one barrel going fishing. You're guaranteed to get bite after bite after bite.

Not only does it quarantine your target market, it also forces my competition to be verified adult content creators...... it will make it far more difficult for the million John Doe Alt Accounts to establish adult businesses ripping other people's products.

I see nothing bad about this proposition.

Moving may be a short-term inconvenience, but the long term gains far, far outweigh the bad.

Think about it.

Sorry i already try to do that. PLease drop me a line in SL if you want to chat about it.

The problem i see is many people attach a great deal of importance to SL and making money, the streets are paved with gold syndrome. Whilst people do make money here, and a lot cover tier charges etc. but the majority don't. I have invested thousands of dollars over the years into SL and lost a lot as well lol, but have never been under any illusions about the game and the fact it could change at LL's whim as we see now, and with the various stunts they have pulled over the years. If i lost it all tomorrow then it wouldn't matter as i have had a great deal of fun over those years and it was worth every last cent Apart from that i met my now wife here and that is priceless

I have seen a lot of great people leave the game, talented people and those that offered the community a lot with their skills and great outlooks, but they left when it got to much with LL rulings and kudos for doing what they felt was right for them. i have helped a lot of people over the years as well get started with things and smile when i see their products on sale, maybe my help was useful. I am not here to make money, i see SL as a place to chat with friends i have made and exchange ideas and hopefully learn something from them as well, if ever SL gets to the stage i see some people here at, then i will leave as i don't want the high blood pressure and the obvious anger they are suffering from, affecting my RL.

Its a great game, great entertainment and the only place i can get to interact with people from around the world i wouldn't normally meet and all in a 3d space. Who knows what will happen next, not me nor you, not even those invited to these focus groups as it has all been decided by LL and when they are ready they will tell us and then i will decide my next move, i will probably stay as i always have done and keep my annual premium and sim and if i have to change things i will and remodel the plans we have to fit the changes as i choose to stay and play on LL's game and i agreed to abide by their rules until i decide they don't fit me then i will leave quietly via the back door and certainly not shout it in the forums

Peace

I wasn't asking what LL thought, I was asking what YOU, Eirynne Sieyes, thought.

Do you want all adult stuff gone/removed/forced to vacate from your SL and have ZERO chance of ever seeing it again unless you seek it out or would being warned when you were about to wander into an adult area be enough to make you happier.

I said the same thing, got no answer lol

Just to state one thing about the amount of people online that shows us upon logging. Just because it says 70,000 users online. Isn't a factual number. If I have an alt logged in as a camper, that is two of me. Look around at all those campers that business's have. We can't really count those that are ghosting and not really around as a true number reflection of those that should be counted.
I have 6 campers on my business land that I pay hourly to just hang out in a box in the sky. I know two are the same person and camps for the lindens for their main character. The main character isn't registered but does pay rent. if all three are online its still a reflection of just one person. Many do this. Sometimes I even have an alt dancing in my club on a camper pad just for traffic rating and I am there as well. Two in that count of being online, inworld. But obviously there is only one of me that counts.

Shame, I doubt the campers will be allowed on the Adult land now either. Wow, the changes before us all.

There is nothing in the proposal which limits adult land to only commercial activities - or says that you can't own adult land for non-adult purposes. Given we have already seen different Lindens with different views on what is adult (the very vague definition in the now withdrawn FAQ which seemed to cover all mature activities, Blondin's "overtly" sexual or violent in places intended for public use, and the latest "extreme" mature content), and we all know examples of one Linden saying something if fine, only for another Linden to uphold an AR against the same, there is the very real risk that people will buy locations on the adult content for private homes etc. just to be on the safe side.

In effect, there is a real possibility that adult will just become used as mature land is currently used (with exception that it will only be used by verification/PIOF avatars), and finding vendors on that land will be just as difficult as finding vendors on mainland.

Matthew

Well we already have obscenity laws and that law is with regard to personal possession, if I walk into a parcel and someone presents before me an extreme image, I'm not guilty under that law as I had no way of avoiding it, if I pick it up, save to my inventory, save it to my PC, then i'm guilty.

No this is more to do with LL participating in, and sponsoring, the Berkman Internet Safety Technical Task Force run by the Berkman Centre for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

In December 08 it produced it's final report : "Enhancing Child Safety and Online Technologies" Final Report of the Internet Safety Technical Task Force to the Multi-State Working Group on Social Networking of State Attorneys General of the United States.



this is the law you refer to:CJIA 2008 (extreme pornography) law

This criminalises people who own pictures that contain the following:

(7) An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, any of the following—

(a) an act which threatens a person’s life,

(b) an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,

(c) an act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse, or

(d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),

and it doesn't matter where you got them from, even if they're pictures of you they still fall under this law. The concept of consent to an activity is completely excluded from this law. However this law only applies to rl pictures - until the govt or police decide otherwise of course

I still say they should move the Pg crap away, let the adults play

1: When will we, the Residents who are your affected Customers, see these "clear and consistent definitions"? The first attempt at the "Maturity Ratings FAQ" was anything but clear, consistent, or in line with Linden claims that the plan will only affect 2% to 4% of content in SL. Why does Linden Lab REFUSE to answer any resident who questions the validity of that 2% to 4% figure? Why does Linden Lab not reply to residents requests to validate and make clear the assumptions, definitions and methodology used to arrive at that 2% to 4% figure?

2: Before stating that you will do this, don't you think it would be a good idea to see if you have the technical capability to achieve it? The Aristotle Age Verification method and associated parcel and sim-level access flags have NEVER worked reliably or consistently. And that doesn't touch on the people who can't get Aristotle's system to work for them even if they wanted to, or those who refuse to risk using that provider.

3: It would have been advisable to start that dialog AS a dialog, actually setting feedback from residents, before setting an inflexible course in advance? Your team gets an F-Minus grade on Customer Relations skills. You can not possibly "ensure that those who provide Adult goods or services can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business" when you refuse to listen to experienced residents who are teling you in no uncertain terms that your pre-determined and inflexible plan has fatal flaws and is based on false assumptions.

4: See point #2. Wouldn't it have been wiser to be certain that you COULD implement "account verification systems" in a manner accessible to the vast majority of residents, before setting sail on a course of action that assumes such systems will be in place and functional at the time when you force this change to take place?

Mickey Mouse fetish there, Yoki? Seems like it's all about the Mouse with you.

Paging Dan O'Neill...

I very much doubt it but here is a campaign group run by a friend with links to the relevant areas that you may wish to look at:

http://www.caan.org.uk/issues/

A quote i love from the page:

"In passing this law, the government completely ignored evidence that the vast majority of material deemed to be “extreme porn” originates in the USA, which has some of the toughest laws in the world regulating consent when it comes to porn."

That's some help anyway. I'm already using "BDSM" and "sex" in my parcel descriptions, so if I just add the other two I should be sure to qualify for Ursula.

LL is NOT, I repeat, NOT removing the adult content from SL. They simply want to move the MOST EXTREME forms, i.e. torture, dismemberment, snuff... the really kinky, twisted stuff... to an area of it's own on the grid. That is the 2 - 4% adult content that has been refered to.

What is so frakking hard to understand about that?

All adult content is not being packed into one common area, private estates do not need to move although Jack has said he'd listen to proposals to move out there in a move such as the United Sailing sims, maybe some adult content estate owners could get together.

However having all the products in one area generally isn't considered good practice. If I want to open 10 stores it would be a bit silly of me to open them all in the same place with the same visitors.

I have an idea, before you LL folks move the mature/adult.

How about you think about starting to move the PG sims, this way. You can link the teengrid, with the PG sims.

If you move the more adult/mature sims the money will follow cause of items from skin, beds, clothing, and many more dirty adult items. You may leave, others in between a rock and a hardplace.

Please dont make us pay for our adult fun.......