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Jesu Forager
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03-27-2009 13:52
From: Viciously Llewellyn
I'm twenty-three, also know right from wrong, and have a completely different persepective about why I feel the way I do.

Of course, to date, after thousands of posts, all I have seen is words like puritans, trolls and now "so-called adults" thrown about and yet not a single poster on the other side of this issue has cared to ask anyone that is in favor of an adult area, why they feel the way they do. Much easier to decide for them how they feel, and call them names.

Another thing I have learned besides right from wrong ... those seeking tolerance, are 99% of the time, the most intolerant of them all.



Then please, either state your case here, link us to your original post, or do private message me, I'm all ears, honestly.
GreenKnight Kaul
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03-27-2009 13:53
From: Lillani Lowell
So, I've read the Adult Content FAQ......

If they are going to be allowing the use 'Payment Info Verified' as a method of adult verification, then I, as an adult content provider, am behind this change and the segregation. While I see this as something which will, no doubt, hurt my business in the short term, I do believe it will be a benefit to adult business in the long term.

Why?

If all adult content is to be packed into one common area, it means that as an adult provider, you are more likely to be seen by the people actually looking for adult content-- instead of having to advertise and spread yourself all over the grid, you only need to focus your efforts in one area, where you know your entire target audience will be.

That, to me, is like putting all the fish in a pond in one barrel going fishing. You're guaranteed to get bite after bite after bite.

Not only does it quarantine your target market, it also forces my competition to be verified adult content creators...... it will make it far more difficult for the million John Doe Alt Accounts to establish adult businesses ripping other people's products.

I see nothing bad about this proposition.

Moving may be a short-term inconvenience, but the long term gains far, far outweigh the bad.

Think about it.


A few things about this disturb me. Segregation is a good thing in your opinion?

If 10 different McD's opened on the same city block which one do you eat at? The best one of course. Yes this will weed out the unimaginative and the ones that aren't willing to put hardcore sex in the frontlines. Killing several business's that may in the long run come into your shop and buy your goods.

Quarantine, you make it sound like sex is a disease. Something to be cured?

Now for anyone that thinks it's Extreme content, I read the original guidlines in that now absent KB6010. I cannot quote it directly but one of the first things said in it was display of genitalia, real or photorealistic.

And i do have this last wednesdays meeting with Blondin notecarded. Afraid to post it need to read more of TOS. Make sure if i make it available i'm not in violation. But Blondin did say.

[15:39] Blondin Linden: there may not be actual sex in BDSM but from my understanding its still sexual isn't it?

[15:41] Blondin Linden: I wouldn't classify that as a strip club. Someone dancing in a cage at a club is different than a room full of people watching someone take their clothes off.

[15:42] Blondin Linden: Strippers suggest sex

I will reread TOS and let anyone have the notecard if i feel I can without being banned.
Salamol Paragon
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03-27-2009 13:53
From: Brett Finsbury

Wow so if you live in the UK just being in an extreme sex sim can get you a knock on the door in RL if you are caught there by one of the Gov. agencies patrolling the net.


Actually no, according to point 14 in Section 63-

"a reasonable person looking at the image would think that the people and animals portrayed were real."

http://www.justice.gov.uk/docs/extreme-pornographic-images.pdf

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So until things start looking real in SL, avatar tough love is fine. Looking at real images in SL, like on a wall for example, seems to be an issue, but you could explain it to be an accident (point 22), it's not like you know what texture each object has prior to it loading. Although it isn't actually possession so I doubt any judge would persue it on it's own. Perhaps in conjunction with rape or other violent sexual offence, it may be used against the individual as evidence to his/her mentality.

It seems to be much more a law to crackdown on people who buy images/videos of said nature from other countries, therefore funding activities of a violent non-consentual sort.
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03-27-2009 13:58
From: Grady Vuckovic
I've seen lots of avatars where there is no actual penis visible, because the character is wearing pants. BUT! There is a long visible shape of what must be assumed to be a penis running down the length of the avatar's pants to hint and suggest such things. Does this mean that avatar's must have flat crotches now too even when wearing clothes?
Interesting point. I was in a busy shopping area recently, and I had CTRL-ALT-T enabled. You'd be quite amazed at what people have attached, even in "invisible mode". I'm pretty certain that if I went to an infohub and enabled CTRL-ALT-T there, I'd get quite an eyeful! How will the new rules address this? Will males be required to completely (excuse the pun) dismember themselves before tp'ing to a PG or mature sim?
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Viciously Llewellyn
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03-27-2009 13:59
From: Cinda Noel
I'm sorry, just not true. There has been much return discussion with people who are voicing valid, well thought out points on why the move might be good.


I never said there was no return discussion.
Robert Graf
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03-27-2009 14:00
I asked for this very thing several days ago and was assured by Blondin Linden that was an excellant idea. Notice the Lindens haven't done it yet. Any web developers out there in Second Life available to give them the code to include it on the login page as they seem unable/unwilling to do it? Probably a 5-minute fix too. Come on Lindens... At least give every user of SL some kind of heads up on the "changes". ;)


From: Lorelei Mission
From page 1 of this thread:


The original 5 forum threads totalled more than 198 pages,
but this "lessened dialog" has now hit 219 pages,
and increases at a speed I can barely keep up with.

Lest the management view the dialog here as that of a hysterical minority,
remember that most SL users don't visit the SL website & forums, and don't know this change is coming. How about posting the URL for this forum thread on the login page this weekend? Then we'd get to hear what the majority thinks...!
Grady Vuckovic
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03-27-2009 14:08
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Salamol Paragon
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03-27-2009 14:09
From: Katheryne Helendale
Interesting point. I was in a busy shopping area recently, and I had CTRL-ALT-T enabled. You'd be quite amazed at what people have attached, even in "invisible mode". I'm pretty certain that if I went to an infohub and enabled CTRL-ALT-T there, I'd get quite an eyeful! How will the new rules address this? Will males be required to completely (excuse the pun) dismember themselves before tp'ing to a PG or mature sim?


I could play the sexism card, in that having something that females do not means I have something extra to remove, simply because I am male. I think females should remove those oversized prim breasts too :D
Grady Vuckovic
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03-27-2009 14:11
From: Katheryne Helendale
Interesting point. I was in a busy shopping area recently, and I had CTRL-ALT-T enabled. You'd be quite amazed at what people have attached, even in "invisible mode". I'm pretty certain that if I went to an infohub and enabled CTRL-ALT-T there, I'd get quite an eyeful! How will the new rules address this? Will males be required to completely (excuse the pun) dismember themselves before tp'ing to a PG or mature sim?


I was actually refering to clothes which are made with sculpties to show (without CTRL-ALT-T, although that's yet another good point), what the shape of the member under the pants looks like bulging through the frabric. Some of them are even detailed enough to make out the exact shape, just with the frabric of the clothes over the top, making it hug closely to the leg or whatever etc.

From: Salamol Paragon
I could play the sexism card, in that having something that females do not means I have something extra to remove, simply because I am male. I think females should remove those oversized prim breasts too :D


I think we should leave both.

/me is a person who appreciates oversized boobs and penises.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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03-27-2009 14:15
From: Jesu Forager
Then please, either state your case here, link us to your original post, or do private message me, I'm all ears, honestly.


Thank you for your response. I will give a few short caviats:

1. I don't care about pornography one way or the other. My view on this issue has nothing to do with what people enjoy, or don't enjoy.

2. I detest the heavy handed way that the Lab is going about this. I think it makes no sense, and passes on the opportunity to make something good out of this.

That said ...

In my time here, I have accidentally run in to people having sex with animals. I had a home on the mainland, and had people move in that were having sex with corpses in a sort of vampire roleplay. I've seen people doing some pretty damn suggestive things with child avatars.

Now ... do I find this offensive? WHO CARES! As has been stated many times ... I can walk away, and live to blog another day. Besides ... they are only avatars ... it's not real!

But let me ask you ... as Linden Lab grows and becomes more mainstream, and I think we all believe that it will ... how long would you think that sort of activity can be kept in a closet? How long before the ambulance chasing society starts to smell real money to be had? Maybe they already have, which makes the rush to do this, understandable.

Lets be reasonable ... does anyone think that any company can have a website, with virtually no restictions on people having sex with animals ... and walk away from that with reputation intact?

Lets get past the legal nature ... lets discuss the media. Most of my friends and family know I play Second Life. Gee ... can't wait for that article in Newsweek about vampires having sex with corpses on my favorite online activity! Anyone doubt that the day is coming?

Second Life is no longer the little back street game that computer nerds like to play. It's getting to be big business, and a big business has a requirement, in a Western Democracy, to have at least the appearance of respectability.
Katheryne Helendale
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03-27-2009 14:19
From: Agnetha Vuckovic
D'oh ! Does Blondin really think that the content of sites remains forever static ? A lot of managers are constantly fiddling around with the design and content. One could potentially have to re-label a site every week !
No, and I'm quite certain he is intelligent enough to realize that these places aren't static. But what he is doing still provides a valuable service for those of us trying to vet out what will be considered acceptable as mature content and what will have to move to Pornodelphia. Using these static checks as a baseline, we will all be able to better gage what criteria LL is considering and be able to better predict our own outcomes when this move starts happening.
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Maghnus Balogh
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03-27-2009 14:20
I may be beating a dead horse here, but I feel I must speak my part or else quietly accept the fate someone else decides for me. Regarding the issue of defining what is adult: Nudity without sexual context should never be considered Adult material, whether in art or otherwise. If someone chooses to express themselves by dressing any specific way, that should be their choice.

From: Blondin Linden
Nudists/Naturalist will not be deemed as Adult. This is under the assumption that the main point of the gathering is not sexual.


I do not think that the designation of nudity without sexual context is being overlooked, but it is too important to take the risk on.
Tokiko Tigerpaw
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03-27-2009 14:21
What i would like to know.. is there ANY amount of public outrage that would stop LL from going trough with this?
Katheryne Helendale
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03-27-2009 14:25
From: Lindal Kidd
In RL, I'd agree. But this is SL. Walls do not prevent you from seeing what's on the other side. Conversely, it never rains, so the definition of a "house" is a lot more flexible than in RL. I know a number of people who live in open parks or on sky platforms. Their house is ALL "front lawn".
I believe the issue should not be "what constitutes a residence", but rather, should be "is the owner taking reasonable measures to keep his or her adult activities discreet". Then, all we'll have to do is come to a concensus on what constitutes "reasonable measures". As long as we all have the ability to detach our cameras from their default POV, true privacy in SL is virtually impossible.
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Jamiee Seoung
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03-27-2009 14:27
The changes that LL plans to make involiving Adult Content on a new grid would be bad. I am an 18 year old college student, stuck in a bad RL economy. I am never going to use a credit card for SL because there are chances of fraud, and the interest on credit cards is bad, especially since I dont have a great job in RL. Thats not the point. I foind an amazing person inworld and well she uses Payment Info, I dont. So by moving the Adult Content, and not allowing people without Payment Info, to go to the new area it will cause me, and maybe others to leave SL. I know the day you guys change there will be no point in me being a Resident of SL. Also, I work in SL at, you guessed it, a club. I shop at places that are m ostly Adult areas. Im sure a good percentage of people do this also. So you're going to hurt a lot of these businesses[clubs included] because I guarantee most of their customers are not using their payment info. If you guys choose to do it your choice but Second Life will definitely have to change their economy because business will not be making enough money through residents to keep running. Please take this into consideration.
Milla Janick
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03-27-2009 14:30
From: Katheryne Helendale
I believe the issue should not be "what constitutes a residence", but rather, should be "is the owner taking reasonable measures to keep his or her adult activities discreet". Then, all we'll have to do is come to a concensus on what constitutes "reasonable measures". As long as we all have the ability to detach our cameras from their default POV, true privacy in SL is virtually impossible.

Putting up a wall and restricting verbal roleplay to IM certainly seems reasonable.

Anyone who disables camera constraints to look behind closed doors is a voyeur and gives up any right to complain about whatever they see.
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Jamiee Seoung
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03-27-2009 14:33
I completely agree with you. Kudos.
From: Lotte Twilight
Just wanted to chime in on this issue because it makes or breaks my "second life" how this is handled.

I own an adult entertainment business (outside of SL) and have been in SL since 2/2004. Have owned a chunk of mainland for a long time now and dutifully pay for it each month although I rarely login or use it anymore because I have plans to use it when it makes sense for my business. I also use it to build and hang out for personal use so it's very much a "mixed use" between personal and business. It's flanked on two sides by protected linden roads and is on elevated land with a clear, perfect waterfront view. Having been a long-time resident on a mature parcel I strongly resent being informed that displaying my creative work in my build (which focuses almost exclusively on erotic imagery) would forcibly oust me from my land.

The answer here is better privacy controls so that land owners can restrict looky-loos until someone has agreed to a TOS pop-up and accepted that they are entering and explicit parcel. No need to relocate people, just improve the privacy features for mainland parcels.

I'm all for responsible adult content publishing (something SL hasn't always taken seriously). I don't mind restrictions but relocating people from the land they invested in and enjoy is not a good solution. It really doesn't solve anything since what they really need is the ability to let people be more informed about content in private parcels via a sensible ratings system (ESRB has an excellent one with content descriptors that could be a good model for an SL self-rating system which could be overridden by moderators as needed).

Also, Linden Lab needs to treat its customers a lot better. I first heard of this new, jarring change last night and when I tried to come post on the forums, all threads were locked. I need to know how this change will affect my land holdings (they just expect us to keep paying each month not knowing if our build is just going to be unceremoniously evicted to some random parcel? or will we have to SELL our land at the horrid current market rates and buy new land in the porn ghetto??). So I called customer service and the hapless guy told me to... file on JIRA. So I did post my question there. And guess what response I got? None. Except that Alexa Linden "resolved" my issue by labeling it "misfiled." Maybe they should inform their phone support staff not to tell customers to post there then.

This is the service I get after I'm a premium land-holding member in SL for 5 years??? SL is a wonderful product and it's a shame that it is going to come apart like this. I had hoped the "child av sex" thing a couple years ago would have shed light on the real issue in SL: lack of real privacy (everything is PUBLIC) and lack of content tagging/filtering so people can effectively seek or avoid content as needed. Instead what did SL do then? They implemented some vague, unenforceable, puritanical, and completely knee-jerk policy mumbo jumbo that did NOTHING to protect anyone from taboo adult content on the grid while at the same time creating an ignorant fervor in the community that made both sexual and nonsexual age players into second class citizens. So here we are again staring down the barrel of a similar policy change only this time it's all explicit or extreme nudity, sex, and violence.

You can keep dividing people, Linden Lab, or you can design privacy and content control systems that let people enjoy SL united, even on the mainland. Consult with some creative people with virtual world experience and maybe you will get different answers. Web sites and text based communities/contents are NOT comparable to real-time virtual worlds. Information architecture and taxonomy to divvy up flat web content will not work in SL because you're selling experiences to complex multi-dimensional people. You're not selling static porn pics or adult products that can be neatly categorized in the "back room" so please take a more holistic look at your customers. Those same educators, business people, and families asking for more content controls during their non-sexual SL time are people who are going to be using alts to get freaky on the grid after hours. Seriously, we are not two distinct groups. I'm a mom, a business person, an artist who happens to work with erotic themes, and a game developer who doesn't want giant cocks hitting me in the face if I go to see someone give a business related presentation in SL. I have different roles in my first life and my second life and it would be super keen if I was allowed to be my complete self on my own land in SL (with privacy controls to keep the icky neuters out).

Thanks for hearing me out. I still care enough about SL that this matters. They are setting a powerful example for virtual world services. Sex and nudity are wonderful parts of everyday life, not just something in a red light district. :mad:
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03-27-2009 14:33
From: Katheryne Helendale
I believe the issue should not be "what constitutes a residence", but rather, should be "is the owner taking reasonable measures to keep his or her adult activities discreet". Then, all we'll have to do is come to a concensus on what constitutes "reasonable measures". As long as we all have the ability to detach our cameras from their default POV, true privacy in SL is virtually impossible.

Oh if only they would implement something like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205.
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Shockwave Yareach
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03-27-2009 14:36
LL is still on it's idiotic course to move all businesses that sell "Naughty things" to Pornsylvania. And still, they have no guidelines for what must be moved and how they are gonna move so much stuff anyways.

And the fact remains that this won't make the mainland safe for kids or people-who-must-save-us-from-ourselves from seeing us in our own homes in our own bed doing our own thing with our own lovers. Or Joe Businessman, walking down the street in the Newly Cleaned Up mainland - he can cam and see anything he wants to see as well. So will the teens when they arrive.

If LL thinks this will make the corporations happy, they are mistaken.
If LL thinks this will make the educators happy, they are mistaken.
If LL thinks this will make the God Squad happy, they are very mistaken.
If LL thinks this will make combining the grids a safe matter, they're mortally mistaken.

If you want a safe, clean, spotless area for the safe, clean, spotless vision for the future SL, then you must create the new Mainland and set it as G-rated with no sexposes and no adult anything allowed at all - not even in the homes there. It will be very easy to monitor and keep safe for everyone since anything even slightly risque in the new G continent can be instantly ARd. On the mainland, you'll need a computer just to determine if the people can be AR'd or not.

Again I ask you, please make the sane choice and build a new continent that's so squeaky clean we can see our reflections in it. Limit all new characters to that continent until they verify, at which time they can then see the entirety of Second Life. Trying to hide adult activity on an adult sim will be utterly impossible. The only way you will make this new PR-friendly course work is by having a brand new continent where you can lay down the most restrictive rule imaginable and have people applaud you for them.

Anything else will be a half-baked effort that is doomed to fail and cannot be backed away from once the destruction has begun. Or do you really want to hear from someone's lawyer the moment their oldest daughter peeps into a house and sees a good old fashioned three way going on inside? Moving the businesses won't prevent this you know. And when you combine the grids, it won't be but 2 minutes before something like this happens. You'll need a stopwatch to measure SL's new Golden Age.

The only way you can improve the new user experience is to give them a clean slate to start on, and let them age verify to move onto other mature activities, whatever they may be. Oh, and since you are so big on age verification, do you think you could look into why the age verification tool does not work in the first place? K, thx!
Ceera Murakami
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03-27-2009 14:36
From: Minx Eisenhart
a few things that really struck me at today brown bag was LL's willingness to listen to suggestions such as a showcase for Adult content. long and lenghtly disscusing about age verification, about having a more visible option when signing up to SL to be verified, Private estate question, Key Words and that big gray area of what is sexually overt. I dont believe nothing is writen in stone yet but still a work in progess and with some awsum questions from Stroker and other attendies. and honest and streight forward answers from te lindens that attendend. I think we got alot acomplished today. and still have a way to go. I look forward to reading the transricpts.

Oh no... she drank the Kool-Aid... Brainwashed forever now...

Just kidding. Trying to get some light-heartedness into this mess.

If, in fact, some progress is actually being made and some Lindens are actually listening and revising what appears thus far to be set in stone, I REALLY wish they would post some new and "official" statements to clarify the most recent thinking. Not just one Linden speaking off the top of their head, without consulting their team and saying things completely at odds with what other Lindens are saying. But rather "We heard you on these points, and the plan now has these changes as a direct result of your feedback.".
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03-27-2009 14:37
From: Ann Otoole
Sorry folks the entire universe of what is rated what and what age groups are allowed to see what content has been hashed out by the motion picture industry, in concert with the government, so there will not be lawsuits. Exceed these ratings and you can expect lawsuits. This is the USA. The law of the Quoran or Bible has no place here whatsoever nor do people that think they have more rights than others.

Here are the rules that Linden Lab has little choice but to adopt just like the video game entertainment industry they are a part of whether they like it or not:

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

If Linden Lab does not want to be part of the video game entertainment industry then they have a couple of choices. They can sell Second Life to someone that wants to be in the video game entertainment business or they can close Second Life. The third choice is for Linden Lab to hire leadership that is experienced in the entertainment business and conduct it's business accordingly. They can always spin off a little meeting room affiliate to run a sanitized no user created content meeting room business. Someone might actually want to rent it for $5 one day for an hour.
I see some fundamental problems with your argument. First of all, as a video game, Second Life does not fall under the jurisdiction of the MPAA. The only reason the term "PG" even exists in Second Life is because the term is universally recognized as defining something as "relatively clean".

The only ratings-regulatory body that has jurisdiction over Second Life is the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB). Enrollment in and regulation by the ESRB is voluntary.
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03-27-2009 14:38
From: Yoki Enoch
Sooo Mickey Mouse hugging or kissing someone is Adult? Okaaaaayyyyy...
If Mickey Mouse were rendered as a three-dimensional furry?
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03-27-2009 14:42
I think we should just have a big ole orgy at the forum hangout.
Shockwave Yareach
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03-27-2009 14:42
From: Katheryne Helendale
If Mickey Mouse were rendered as a three-dimensional furry?


Hey, I've kissed and hugged lots of mice! Their furry ears are so warm...
Grady Vuckovic
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03-27-2009 14:42
Personally I find the whole idea of "Person X does activity Y on SL, thus all of SL must be labeled as Y-er's" kinda dumb really.

There is porn websites on the internet which show men inserting *beeping* *beepings* into their *beeping* *beeping* *beeping*. (And so forth, not going to use real details, use your imagination, although I do have something rather extreme inmind).

Now does that mean that ever man on the internet is doing doing such things? No! Many men use the internet for emailing, playing Second Life, and looking at just plain vanilla porn, and surfing the net around youtube, and myspace. Just because some folks are doing things not very well approved of yet by main stream media, doesn't mean all of SL is! Nor should they have to worry about being labelled as such. The only people who would make such a connection are closed minded and not worth knowing. :3

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From: Maghnus Balogh
I may be beating a dead horse here, but I feel I must speak my part or else quietly accept the fate someone else decides for me. Regarding the issue of defining what is adult: Nudity without sexual context should never be considered Adult material, whether in art or otherwise. If someone chooses to express themselves by dressing any specific way, that should be their choice.



I do not think that the designation of nudity without sexual context is being overlooked, but it is too important to take the risk on.


What if the nude character in question, is a transexual demon with 30 tentacles coming from "hir" back, a penis 3ft long, and breasts the size of child av's.... don't dare laugh, because that could easily describe half the patrons at my club right now probably. Now who is to say if the context of them being naked is sexual or not than just the player themselves. I have actually met many people with avatars like this who frankly say that they are "over sex in SL", and just don't want to do it anymore. That they wear such avatars because it's how they feel comfortable. Really, what about these people?

Under these rules that means that these people would be allowed to go anywhere they like in these avatars nude if the location permits it. (Nude beach for example). And wouldn't have to be in an adult sim at all. Is this right? (I personally believe it is, but I have learnt the hard way over the many years I've been on this Earth, that most people disagree with me).
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