Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread
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Lord Sullivan
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03-27-2009 12:29
From: Saiki Spirt care to quote that law? Ministry of Justice announcement: http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/announcement261108a.htmCrown Prosecution Service: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/Office of Public Sector Information, Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080004_en_9IWF role regarding government legislation on the possession of extreme pornography: http://www.iwf.org.uk/police/page.22.539.htm
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Ciaran Laval
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03-27-2009 12:30
From: Selene Gregoire LL is NOT, I repeat, NOT removing the adult content from SL. They simply want to move the MOST EXTREME forms, i.e. torture, dismemberment, snuff... the really kinky, twisted stuff... to an area of it's own on the grid. That is the 2 - 4% adult content that has been refered to. What is so frakking hard to understand about that? The part where they say a strip bar is adult. You really believe they're building a continent of hundreds of sims for bestiality and torture?
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Couldbe Yue
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03-27-2009 12:30
From: Qie Niangao That's some help anyway. I'm already using "BDSM" and "sex" in my parcel descriptions, so if I just add the other two I should be sure to qualify for Ursula.  lol ok I should have said the one word that makes it adult... but I still think that word is toys - everyone knows that teenagers sneer at playing with toys..
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Selene Gregoire
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03-27-2009 12:31
From: Ciaran Laval The part where they say a strip bar is adult. Where has LL defined a strip bar as EXTREME adult content??
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Ciaran Laval
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03-27-2009 12:32
From: Selene Gregoire Where has LL defined a strip bar as extreme adult content?? Blondin said it, I'm not trawling this thread looking for it. He also said the same at his office hour.
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Sims Rang
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03-27-2009 12:32
How is all this going to effect private estate owners? If we are marked as adult already, what are we going to have to do?
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Ciaran Laval
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03-27-2009 12:33
From: Sims Rang How is all this going to effect private estate owners? If we are marked as adult already, what are we going to have to do? You need to flag your island as adult and only verified residents will be able to visit or see your wares in search.
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Selene Gregoire
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03-27-2009 12:34
From: Ciaran Laval Blondin said it, I'm not trawling this thread looking for it. He also said the same at his office hour. I've read his posts and no where did I see him say a strip club was EXTREME adult content. Adult content yes but not EXTREME adult content. HEAVY EMPHASIS ON THE WORD **EXTREME**
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Saiki Spirt
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03-27-2009 12:34
From: Sims Rang How is all this going to effect private estate owners? If we are marked as adult already, what are we going to have to do? they keep saying mainland, so I would hope it won't affect them at all.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-27-2009 12:35
From: Couldbe Yue (7) An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, any of the following—
(a) an act which threatens a person’s life,
Like what happens to Captain Hook in "Peter Pan"?
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Saiki Spirt
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03-27-2009 12:35
From: Ciaran Laval You need to flag your island as adult and only verified residents will be able to visit or see your wares in search. well, if that'sthe case, I won't even e able to tp home lol how nice..
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03-27-2009 12:36
From: Argent Stonecutter Like what happens to Captain Hook in "Peter Pan"? how about hook himself eh? a big metal hook can surely threaten a life
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Selene Gregoire
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03-27-2009 12:37
From: Argent Stonecutter Like what happens to Captain Hook in "Peter Pan"? Hey Argent.... What part of EXTREME ADULT CONTENT do these people NOT understand?? 
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Ciaran Laval
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03-27-2009 12:38
From: Selene Gregoire I've read his posts and no where did I see him say a strip club was EXTREME adult content. Adult content yes but not EXTREME adult content. HEAVY EMPHASIS ON THE WORD **EXTREME** Blondin said if a premises was overtly sexual in a nature it would need to move to the adult continent and he cited more than once a strip club as being such a premises. Now I don't take office hour minutes, someone else might have but we discussed this with him on Wedensday and I disagreed with him that a strip bar was adult content. You're right in the fact that you say it hasn't been deemed extreme adult content, but a strip bar does appear to be deemed a venture that will be moved to the adult continent and that has been stated by a Linden. So now go figure out whether this is just about extreme adult content. I really don't think there are hundred of sims with bestiality and torture on them.
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Selene Gregoire
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03-27-2009 12:41
From: Ciaran Laval Blondin said if a premises was overtly sexual in a nature it would need to move to the adult continent and he cited more than once a strip club as being such a premises. Now I don't take office hour minutes, someone else might have but we discussed this with him on Wedensday and I disagreed with him that a strip bar was adult content. You're right in the fact that you say it hasn't been deemed extreme adult content, but a strip bar does appear to be deemed a venture that will be moved to the adult continent and that has been stated by a Linden. So now go figure out whether this is just about extreme adult content. I really don't think there are hundred of sims with bestiality and torture on them. According to Jack Linden, whose words are post in several places on this thread, it is about extreme adult content and nothing more. Obviously not even the Lindens really know what it is truly about. Sounds right for SL doesn't it. There are lots and lots of groups out there that are specifically for extreme adult content. I would have to assume there are more than just 20 sims available for that sort of thing and could possibly be in the hundreds.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-27-2009 12:44
From: Selene Gregoire According to Jack Linden, whose words are post in several places on this thread, it is about extreme adult content and nothing more. Obviously not even the Lindens really know what it is truly about. Sounds right for SL doesn't it. There are lots and lots of groups out there that are specifically for extreme adult content. I would have to assume there are more than just 20 sims available for that sort of thing and could possibly be in the hundreds. Jack didn't realise the FAQ's had been pulled and I get the impression that Jack isn't involved much in the adult Continent move, which may seem odd but he's not heading the discussions, indeed he's told us to comment in this thread and keep an eye out for the meetings.
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Screwtape Foulsbane
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03-27-2009 12:44
From: Ciaran Laval I really don't think there are hundred of sims with bestiality and torture on them. Type yiff into your search  . Also try torture, rape, & bondage. Extreme Adult Content is a matter of opinion. For example many "adult simms" have no nudity but the language and roleplay is very explicit.
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Matthew Dowd
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Question compliation
03-27-2009 12:45
I've started a thread in residents answers. To try to capture the questions that repeatedly come up in this thread. /327/61/313891/1.htmlPlease only post to that thread if you think I've missed a question, and keep discussions in this thread (so that those questions do not get lost). Matthew
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-27-2009 12:45
From: Selene Gregoire LL is NOT, I repeat, NOT removing the adult content from SL. They simply want to move the MOST EXTREME forms, i.e. torture, dismemberment, snuff... the really kinky, twisted stuff... to an area of it's own on the grid. That is the 2 - 4% adult content that has been refered to. Different Lindens have given different explanations of what's "extreme". In one definition, an avatar with a photorealistic skin would be "Adult". In another, it required an erection. In a third, it required mutilation. You're picking one particular answer, but until we hear something official we don't know whether their definition of "Adult" encompasses Barbarella, The Abominable Dr Phibes, or Faces of Death.
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Couldbe Yue
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03-27-2009 12:46
From: Screwtape Foulsbane Type yiff into your search  . Also try torture, rape, & bondage. Extreme Adult Content is a matter of opinion. For example many "adult simms" have no nudity but the language and roleplay is very explicit. bondage appears to be ok.. well the selling of the said items used, dunno about the actual use of them. but considering my shop allows you to try the items in question before you buy, I'm going with the theory that it's all cool.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-27-2009 12:46
From: Selene Gregoire I've read his posts and no where did I see him say a strip club was EXTREME adult content. Adult content yes but not EXTREME adult content. Since anything that is "adult content" has to go to the "adult continent" that's an irrelevant distinction.
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Selkit Diller
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03-27-2009 12:48
Selene, the Lindens have said this is about nude skins and strip clubs. Then they've said it's only about extreme content. Over two weeks, they've said a dozen different things over a very broad spectrum without a scrap of reassurance that they won't A) Just blank a violator without warning despite unsure policy, B) Even bother listening to us, and C) Exercise some sound judgement and actually notify the userbase.
I smell another bait and switch all over again, like Openspaces. I'm rather done being civil and diplomatic with the Lindens; I've sent an open letter to seven top level Lindens including M, Philip, Harmony and others. Only two of them bothered accepting it. None of them have responded. I've made four calls to concierge demanding information and have been pointed back to the same lame duck blog post (At which they are now *deleting* information faster than they're adding it), have been told to submit support tickets detailing my protest (And have. Without answer), have spoken directly with inworld Lindens who are conspicuously busy every time...
...Linden Lab, as a business service provider and an educator-builder staring down just over seven whole-dollar figures US$ for this year alone, I humbly request the resignation of Mark Kingdon and the reinstatement of Philip Rosedale. Phil may not have been perfect, but at least he had a bloody clue.
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Saiki Spirt
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03-27-2009 12:51
From: Selkit Diller I humbly request the resignation of Mark Kingdon and the reinstatement of Philip Rosedale. Phil may not have been perfect, but at least he had a bloody clue. Yea, I would have to agree, at least things were what they should be. I sent him an offline that simply said "I blame it all on you" and he took it wih a sense of humor, there's someoen wort being th head of a corperation somene who can take a joke, and isn'tafraid to make some
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03-27-2009 12:51
From: Selene Gregoire LL is NOT, I repeat, NOT removing the adult content from SL. They simply want to move the MOST EXTREME forms, i.e. torture, dismemberment, snuff... the really kinky, twisted stuff... to an area of it's own on the grid. That is the 2 - 4% adult content that has been refered to. What is so frakking hard to understand about that? I don't see what this has to do with what I was asking somebody else.. Try reading what I said again, Selene. Or did you quote me by mistake?
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Lorelei Mission
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"Lessened" Dialog
03-27-2009 12:52
From page 1 of this thread: From: Blue Linden As dialog on the subject has lessened, we're redirecting the conversation here from the other threads.... The original 5 forum threads totalled more than 198 pages, but this "lessened dialog" has now hit 219 pages, and increases at a speed I can barely keep up with. Lest the management view the dialog here as that of a hysterical minority, remember that most SL users don't visit the SL website & forums, and don't know this change is coming. How about posting the URL for this forum thread on the login page this weekend? Then we'd get to hear what the majority thinks...!
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