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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:10
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Ciaran Laval
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06-29-2009 12:19
Yes it's Mature because Mature then was what Adult will be now. We all know this. Doesn't change the facts that child avatars do not belong in Zindra. In my personal opinion, they should restrict themselves to PG only. Once again, this is not about size or height. It's easy to change avatars. No one has presented one good reason why child avatars should be allowed other than LL saying so. I disagree. I hope at some point Jack Linden will explain the position of Linden Lab, why they decided to take this controversial approach, even though it contradicts their own ageplay policies. The ageplay policy is about parcel content, not continent content. I'm sorry if this sounds repetitive but it's because the policy is not being contradicted. Jack Linden has explained the decision, it's due to the sexual ageplay policy being in place that restricts child av's from parcels where adult content is around or a clearly themed adult parcel. There will be PG parcels on Zindra, the infohubs pretty much are PG. |
Milla Janick
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06-29-2009 12:20
No one has presented one good reason why child avatars should be allowed other than LL saying so. Parcel content determines whether or not the presence of child avatars is inappropriate. Restricted to PG regions? That's unreasonable. There are plenty of Mature rated regions with valuable, non-sexual content. Adult rated regions are treated the same way. Content determines appropriateness. There are also adult regions outside Zindra. Even in the unlikely event Zindra turns out to be wall to wall porn, the Adult rated regions outside it are not. _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:22
The ageplay policy is about parcel content, not continent content. I'm sorry if this sounds repetitive but it's because the policy is not being contradicted. Jack Linden has explained the decision, it's due to the sexual ageplay policy being in place that restricts child av's from parcels where adult content is around or a clearly themed adult parcel. There will be PG parcels on Zindra, the infohubs pretty much are PG. ![]() _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:27
...In my personal opinion, they should restrict themselves to PG only... ![]() Now... Name the violation? (^_^)y _____________________
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Kokoro Fasching
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06-29-2009 12:28
And we are back at the beginning again - because people that wear child avatars do not understand what is an appropriate depiction of small children in a Adult World. A child having a presence in a sim with Adult Content 32 meters away is NOT an appropriate arrangement. Sadly, you cannot figure that out by yourself. This is why Linden Lab needs to develop some more rules regarding child avatars and the Adult Continent. /Sarcasm ON Yes, because as we all know every house comes with another house for the children, more than 32 meters away from the parents bedroom where they conceive the children. Thankfully this has been handled in First Life, and we *must* do the same in Second Life. I fully support moving all children in First Life to another town even, separate from the adults, so there is absolutely no chance a child will be closer that 100 meters from possibly breeding adults. /Sarcasm Off (just in case someone needed the sarcasm brackets.) |
Vryl Valkyrie
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06-29-2009 12:30
Parcel content determines whether or not the presence of child avatars is inappropriate. Restricted to PG regions? That's unreasonable. There are plenty of Mature rated regions with valuable, non-sexual content. Adult rated regions are treated the same way. Content determines appropriateness. There are also adult regions outside Zindra. Even in the unlikely event Zindra turns out to be wall to wall porn, the Adult rated regions outside it are not. Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults. The last thing they want to see are adults who want to RP as children. Sure there will be non adult content in Zindra but the point is that it is still rated adult. The same goes for Mature. I still think that children belong in PG even if they are adults. Of course that is not happening so no need to beat a dead horse. I've nothing against child avies. We each have a child within us. We all like Harry Potter or Disney, etc.. and it's fun to act silly and goof off. Please there is no room for that in Adult zoned areas, in my personal opinion. I wish they would understand it and not wish to have it all whereas the adult content only has one section of the grid. It's all about mutual respect and tolerance. It seems to me the adult community is being discriminated against. _____________________
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Milla Janick
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06-29-2009 12:33
Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults. There are many private estates dedicated to adult roleplay. I'd be surprised if they don't outnumber those on the mainland. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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06-29-2009 12:36
Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults. Zindra is not the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults, there are over 100 private sims classified as adult, I have one. |
Lias Leandros
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06-29-2009 12:40
That does not prohibit you as a child avatar setting up a parcel 32 meters away from Adult content in Zindra - as you boasted you could do. It's no boast, it's a possibility. It's been a possibility on (Mature) land for 6 years. This land is my land. That land is your land. Stay the heck off my land and I'll stay the heck off your land. Though... I may visit Bear once in a while... Bunch'a nice people there. (^_^) (^_^) _____________________
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Lias Leandros
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06-29-2009 12:44
Zindra is not the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults, there are over 100 private sims classified as adult, I have one. _____________________
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Vryl Valkyrie
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06-29-2009 12:47
Zindra is not the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults, there are over 100 private sims classified as adult, I have one. Yes but we are not talking PE. We are talking about Mainland. Zindra is all that is left on Mainland for adult content. _____________________
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Kokoro Fasching
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06-29-2009 12:50
And under the current child avatar guidelines Imnotgoing can come on over there and hang out as long as she does not see a sex ball or sexual activity - eve though your entire adult private sim is marked Adult. And that is bad judgment and offensive to have a person role play as a small child purposely going to a Adult Content area. Yes, it is always offensive when those children walk down the sidewalk in front of your house. I'm telling you, we need to move them to another town, and fast! |
Vryl Valkyrie
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06-29-2009 12:51
Yes, it is always offensive when those children walk down the sidewalk in front of your house. I'm telling you, we need to move them to another town, and fast! Eek, please do not put words in her mouth. She never said any such thing. Secondly, they are not children. They are adults who wish to RP as children in an adult area. This is what she is against, not child avatars. _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:53
Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults. The last thing they want to see are adults who want to RP as children. Sure there will be non adult content in Zindra but the point is that it is still rated adult. The same goes for Mature. I still think that children belong in PG even if they are adults. Of course that is not happening so no need to beat a dead horse. I've nothing against child avies. We each have a child within us. We all like Harry Potter or Disney, etc.. and it's fun to act silly and goof off. Please there is no room for that in Adult zoned areas, in my personal opinion. I wish they would understand it and not wish to have it all whereas the adult content only has one section of the grid. It's all about mutual respect and tolerance. It seems to me the adult community is being discriminated against. If you remember, SL5B was rife with problems over kid avatars at the PG event because we were placed in the same class as Gorean RP in regards to what "represents SL". At the time, the PG kid avatar community wasn't "PG" in terms of being able to represent themselves in the SL5B celebration. After large amounts of resistance, the floodgates were opened, and nobody was harmed in the process... Except for the pride of a limited few. So... If kids AVs can't be (Mature), can't be (Adult), and can't be (PG) without a fight... What can they be? (=_=) Nobody is taking away YOUR freedom to buy YOUR parcel on Adult land and establishing YOUR rules on that parcel. Do it! Feel free! We're not here to stop you and will give you nothing extra to worry about. But, if I own a parcel there. Understand that it will be MY land and MY rules withing MY boundaries. I surely won't fit your sensibilities, but you do not hold any burden of being accused of a violation just because my land is adjacent. The rules are as stated and in following them as they exist now, there is little to fear. (^_^) _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:54
You can visit Bear because the mainland (outside of Zindra) is in the process of being cleared of all adult content. You setting up a parcel next to Adult Content in Zindra (while you are depicting your avatar as a small child) is inappropriate. And the Linden rules are not clear enough - or go far enough to discourage you from doing that. And you obvious do not have the ability to see that such a move would be offensive. _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 12:55
And under the current child avatar guidelines Imnotgoing can come on over there and hang out as long as she does not see a sex ball or sexual activity - eve though your entire adult private sim is marked Adult. And that is bad judgment and offensive to have a person role play as a small child purposely going to a Adult Content area. _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Lias Leandros
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06-29-2009 13:31
The point is that child avatars can't be visually PRESENT around or depicted in sexual content. This doesn't mean they're fully restricted from Adult content. Adult content covers MANY more facets than sex. (=_=) If you remember, SL5B was rife with problems over kid avatars at the PG event because we were placed in the same class as Gorean RP in regards to what "represents SL". At the time, the PG kid avatar community wasn't "PG" in terms of being able to represent themselves in the SL5B celebration. After large amounts of resistance, the floodgates were opened, and nobody was harmed in the process... Except for the pride of a limited few. So... If kids AVs can't be (Mature), can't be (Adult), and can't be (PG) without a fight... What can they be? (=_=) Nobody is taking away YOUR freedom to buy YOUR parcel on Adult land and establishing YOUR rules on that parcel. But, if I own a parcel there. Understand that it will be MY land and MY rules withing MY boundaries. I surely won't fit your sensibilities, but you do not hold any burden of being accused of a violation just because my land is adjacent. The rules are as stated and in following them as they exist now, there is little to fear. (^_^) _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 13:49
Imnotgoing - if it is marked ADULT CONTENT - then a child should NOT be near it - no matter if it is sexual or not. You obviously have not cared for children you loved or you would not be so cavalier about such depictions... And, at the risk or repeating myself... Exhibit A: A child avatar with Adult content in her hands on a (Mature) sim. =^-^= ![]() Now... Name the violation? (^_^)y _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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06-29-2009 14:03
Exhibit A: A child avatar with Adult content in her hands on a (Mature) sim. =^-^= ![]() Now... Name the violation? (^_^)y What makes that adult content? Is it attached at the pelvis? ![]() _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 14:03
What makes that adult content? Is it attached at the pelvis? ![]() Though... You should see my BIG gun. =^-^= _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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06-29-2009 14:05
Violence. (^_^) Though... You should see my BIG gun. =^-^= I guess you are packing heat... _____________________
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Kokoro Fasching
Pixie Dust and Sugar
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06-29-2009 14:10
Eek, please do not put words in her mouth. She never said any such thing. Secondly, they are not children. They are adults who wish to RP as children in an adult area. This is what she is against, not child avatars. I do not have to put words in her mouth, she put them there herself. And yes, she has said such thing - please review her posts. Also, she seems to treat children and child AV's interchangeably herself. |
Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 14:14
I guess you are packing heat... _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-29-2009 14:20
Of course... Now, I guess I have to supply justification for wanting to blow up little kids, right? (O.o)
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