Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

No you don't. She mis-quoted us and is injecting her own thoughts into our words again. (=_=)

Well in that case I don't stand corrected, lol. It was surprising for me anyways, but I didn't have the time to find the original.

Hah!

Ty.

I wasn't aware of that, but it's not in one of the sexualized regions. It's not like it's in the lobby of a whorehouse.

It's not in the same region as the sexual content, and you don't get the notecard with the rules prohibiting child avatars when you teleport in. It's more accurate to say Neva Naughty also owns a kids store.

It's not like it's in the lobby of a whorehouse.

Why is the concept of the individual land owners right to restrict access difficult? Specifying restrictions gives the land owner a stronger leg to stand on if someone still chooses to attempt to enter. LL might water down what and where we can have things but they have always upheld the right to set property. (No object entry, banlines, no kids, no furries whatever.)

I am not against child avatars. I am merely seriously trying to understand why any adult would want to role play as a child in an adult continent. I have not heard one valid reason yet.

It seems that child avatar rights activists want to dominate the grid, forcing their RP on everyone. Zindra is the only place that adult content is allowed now. Why not keep it for the adults who prefer to RP as adults (I do not mean avatar size).

Totally offtopic.. what you do all think about this?

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=853423


The problem I have with this is not the item which is for sale but the actual image that is associated with it. Pictures are powerful and can sometimes say more than words. In my personal opinion, this image depicts a child in bondage. Child avatars in an adult area also depicts children in a sexual scene (even though they are age verified adults).. that is prohibited by the ToS. Ironically allowing child avatars in Zindra does violate the terms of service in regards to ageplay. This new policy contradicts their own rules.

You mean "in an adult region", not all adult regions are on the adult mainland.

1. Your character in second life is a kid.
2. You have any valid reason for visiting any parcel that happens to be in that region, such as, you're visiting a friend who happens to live in that region, or you're visiting a store that happens to be in that region.

If you are actually role-playing a character in SL, then if you can't visit a region *in role*, you can't visit that region, period. You would have to create another character (an alt) to visit that region.

Please don't try an interpret this as "the player wants to play a child in a sexual environment". There is no reason any parcel or area in an adult-rated sim must be a sexual environment.

Then if one wants to visit regions that are out of their RP charactor, it is quiet simple to change avatars. Why most these rights supercede all else? I have no idea what their intention is or not. However, regardless of the intention, the reality is that the resulting image of children being depicted in adult zone areas is disturbing to most.

The majority of SL residents do not frequent the forums or blogs, therefore haven't a clue this issue even exists. I am certain that if I and others were to commence an inworld and also media campaign, the reaction would be appalling shock and disgust. Unfortunately, the forums usually consist of the vocal minority. Like in real life as they say, they are usually often the loudest heard. However, please do not underestimate the silent majority.

What’s being depicted in that product is not a sexual situation. The sexual ageplay guidelines specifically target sexual or lewd situations. Restrictions, humiliation, and punishments are not intrinsically sexual so, I can’t find anything in the wording of the TOS that prohibits the activity. (^_^)

So, yes, child avatars specifically within a location that specifically depicts sex are restricted. That is clearly documented. But, combating, injuring, binding, pacifying, humiliating, dancing, and various other activities CAN and will be done without any sexual context. So, in that regards, I don’t see a TOS violation. (^_^)

According to the FAQs on what is considered adult situations or language, what you just described falls into that category.

Let me just ask you point blank and anyone else who is reading this as well, do you find it acceptable to depict a child in the situation you just described? This particular depiction is bondage. Had they used an adult looking avatar, I would not have an issue with it. Most people in the world would agree with me, this image is extremely disturbing.

You two are definitely NOT on the same page regarding child avatars and what is perceived as inappropriate depictions. Gray Area issues like this will cause the issues.

Great. The first child avatar person discussing buying land in Adult Zindra 32 meters away from verified adult content. And the Linden child avatar rules do not permit this bad taste move.

Lias, read... there is an "IF" in that sentence.

BTW, there is still a question for you to answer. You know which one.

Obviously you're not capable of reading my post where I acknowledged the correction, either. Why do you insist on turning an obviously black-and-white issue, child avatars are forbidden at Neva Naughty's, into a gray area? OK, so I believe that they do have items which are fine for children (which they do, as there are items there which aren't sexual in nature at all, never will be), they still don't allow child avatars in their store. With the exception of the store where everything is for families with children. That's extremely black and white. Child avatars cannot go there. Once again you're deliberately refusing to think.

When are you going to tell us why it is that you're so opposed to actually engaging your brain and thinking? Or are we supposed to conclude that you're unable to think at all?

I would just like to emphasize the importance of everyone being able to debate without personal attacks. Even though it is difficult to do that, please can we try to refrain from name calling? Thanks.

A region is a big place, a continent even bigger, it's parcels that are the issue not regions or continents. Just because the continent is rated adult doesn't mean every square inch of it is adult content. The infohub for example has the no nudity no violence signs in it despite the continent being adult.

Zindra will not be wall to wall porn.



This media campaign could be done right now, it could have been done anytime since free accounts were allowed to signup but it hasn't happened because the scenarios you are concerned about haven't been happening on any sort of large scale and now it's even less likely to happen because you need account verified access.

If you're genuinely concerned about bad imagery then you should be keeping your eyes on the places where such content is likely to go underground, that's the PG regions where unverified accounts have free reign. That's where the bad will happen.

It falls into Adult, yes. But, it does not fall into sex. So, to the wording of the TOS/CS/Blog/KB... There is no violation. (^_^)

That said, there are a LOT of disturbing things that operate within the TOS/CS... Much of dark roleplay is VERY disturbing to many people. Imagine, lycans beating a neko to inches of her life and gang-raping her limp body... Disturbing? Yes. Against the TOS? No. Not in Adult context. (^_^)y

If you're worried about putting kid avatars in non-sexual bondage gear...



Suburban U.S.A. must be a cradle of filth to you. (^_^)y

No, I simply wasn't aware of Neva Naughty's kid's store in a different region.

LOL Let's not play word games, shall we? I don't have time nor energy for that. We know exactly what we are talking about here and no need to whitewash it.

Maybe they can get together with Meta's millions over lunch.

The majority of SL residents aren't aware of this because there's no issue. The rules covering exactly the same content as will be in Zindra have been in place and working for a couple years.

The Great Child Avatar Invasion of Zindra is fiction.

Did you see child avatar Imnotgoing's crack that she could buy property in Adult Zindra 32 meters away from my adult content and she is allowed to do so?

You offered an example of non-sexual bondage equipment advertised for child avatars. I offered a real life equivalent. I reiterate; the guidelines on child avatars restricts them from depicting and appearing in depictions of sexual and/or lewd conduct. Bondage, BDSM, and D/s are activities that often involve a sexual context, but, are not always sex. To say that KidLeash is NOT bondage is foolish. There is a harness, leash, and binding involved. Sure, it’s involved in consideration of the kid’s safety in public, but, the bindings are still there, just in a non-sexual context. (=_=)

Same goes in SL. Parental avatars are allowed to punish their kid avatars in a role play context for violating the family rules. Maybe it’s the “time out corner” pose ball. Maybe it’s a spanking. Maybe it’s putting them in a pacifier to silence them. None of these contexts are sexual, so, none of them are directly restricted by the guidelines given to us by Linden Lab. (^_^)y

I was allowed to buy (Mature) land a year ago. Why should it be a problem for me to buy (Adult) land now? (^_^)

Remember... All the sex was on (Mature) land up until these past few months. (^_^)y