Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

And we are back at the beginning again - because people that wear child avatars do not understand what is an appropriate depiction of small children in a Adult World. A child having a presence in a sim with Adult Content 32 meters away is NOT an appropriate arrangement. Sadly, you cannot figure that out by yourself.

This is why Linden Lab needs to develop some more rules regarding child avatars and the Adult Continent.

Yes, and it seemed like her point was about property rights.

The whole time I was in Zindra, I think I saw maybe two child avatars, and none more than a day after the opening event.

I still believe there won't be enough child avatars going there to make anyone notice.

Well Milla I hope your right and no one outside of SL notices or cares that in Second Life there are depictions of eight year unaccompanied children allowed on Adult Content parcels and could set up business right next door to Adult Content in Zindra.

No. Because Adult doesn't default to sex. Just like Mature didn't default to sex for the past 6 years. Now.. While people CAN have sex in the sim I own land in. I also CAN be a kid avatar in the sim. Particularly on my own parcel. This applies on Mature. This applies on Adult. Much ado about nothing. (^_^)y

They can set up next door to you right now. If it hasn't been a problem for the last two years, I don't believe it will be one anytime soon.

You do not understand what is considered descent and appropriate. What you CAN do is not always the appropriate thing to do. This is why Linden Lab needs to spell it out.

This is just a small example of what is going to happen to Second Life if Linden Lab does not change its policy in regards to allowing child avatars in adult areas... amoungst other things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kzwp9nWsFs

They did... Haven't you read? (^_^)

[[ 9) Are child avatars allowed on Adult land? Child avatars are allowed on adult land as long as they are account verified like any other Resident. Those choosing to represent themselves with a child avatar do not represent a minor as the account holder. Not all adult land is going to be hosting adult content either. There is plenty of protected land on Zindra that will technically be adult but safe in terms of content. This however does not change any prior policies regarding child avatars. Sexual ageplay is not allowed anywhere on the grid, regardless of rating. ]]

Mark Kirk is talking about REAL children posing as adults... REAL children posing as adults are not the subject here. (^_^)

Who has said it should be? And why can't that happen in Mature sims?

Depictions of children in adult climate is also a concern.

Cloudy with a chance of porn?

For someone who is actually role-playing a character in SL, that means logging out and logging in again under a different account. What do they do about buying no-transfer goods?

There is no issue.

That does not prohibit you as a child avatar setting up a parcel 32 meters away from Adult content in Zindra - as you boasted you could do.
The subject is depicting children in inappropriate settings. This applies to both scenarios. Real children in Zindra in child avatars have an excuse of being ignorant because of their age. They may not be aware of how it looks to adults when they depict a child on an Adult plot in Second Life. What's your excuse?

You've had it explained, I wish LL would clarify incitement to false ARs' to you, Lias.


Originally Posted by Feral Mistwalker
Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade



Unless you didn't say that of course...

He is talking about real children, he's talking about 10 year olds being able to signup and see adult content, if you want to follow that line then be prepared to have all adult content completely banned because that's more of the angle he's coming from.

Linden Lab have made moves to head that off at the pass by making adult land verified access, the pretend scenario where a ten year old signs up and sees adult content has now been made a lot harder and the burden of intent to deceive now moves far more firmly onto the shoulders of the deceiver.

The scenarios people are afraid of are far less likely to happen on Zindra where people risk having verified accounts permabanned, it's one of the few positives to come out of this mess.

The adult climate existed on (Mature) land for 6 years. Why make it a problem now? (^_^)

I'm not going to bother looking at your link, because it doesn't matter if the link is to the most vile pornography possible... it's irrelevant, off-topic, a blatant attempt to muddy the waters.
This has nothing to do with the sim rating:

1. Any content legal in Adult sims is legal in Mature sims.

2. Parcels that don't contain sexual content do not need to be restricted to non-kid toons, regardless of the sim rating, because they do not contain sexual content.

Meanwhile in Rep Kirk's office.....

"Hello, hello I want to report about the shocking scenes that may happen in Second Life."

"Yes please tell me more."

"Well Linden Lab are allowing child avatars into the adult continent, child like avatars next to adult content, it's a disgrace."

"You mean minors can still get access to the filth in Second Life?"

"Well no, they're not minors, they just dress as minors but it's sick, sick I tell you."

"Yes I agree, let me see what I can do, we must wipe the filth from Second Life."

"Oh no no, I don't want the filth wiped from Second Life, I mean the honest to goodness adult activity can stay, adults beating themselves off or inserting sex toys whilst they type and talk is good wholesome healthy activity, animals too, furries can do it, just child av's on the same server space just being there is sick sick I tell you."

Click.

"Hello? Rep Kirk? Are you there?"

These videos are two years ago but still I find them relevant as to just one of the many reasons it is not ok to depict images of children in an adult area. I still do not understand why anyone would defend that right.

2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN_jr6xjs90&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epoetv%2Ecom%2Fvideo%2Ephp%3Fvid%3D28398&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqB5_OyGiIo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epoetv%2Ecom%2Fvideo%2Ephp%3Fvid%3D28741&feature=player_embedded

Thank goodness we have you here to decide what's appropriate for everyone on the entire grid.

Real children in child avatars will be on the teen grid. If they're sneaking into the main grid and verifying their accounts, a number of crimes have already been committed. Odds are, they won't be taking on a kid avatar considering their goal is to get sexually involved with someone and "adultplay" their way through the system. Frankly, THAT is a much more disturbing situation than a pixelkid living down the street from leggyclub. Especially considering, you'd probably NEVER consider banning the RL kid for adultplay if they never admit to their RL age. (^_^)

Given: it's not OK to depict images of kids in sexual situations or in proximity to sexual content or activities. It's not any more not less OK whether the region a parcel is in is rated Mature or Adult. That's why Linden Labs has made it against the ToS to create such depictions, regardless of what the sim rating is. That's why it's not necessary to add additional restrictions that don't have any bearing on such depictions, because the rating on the sim doesn't change the legality of such depictions under the ToS.

Those are direct depictions of kid avatars in sex acts. That's not the subject here. And, that was (Mature) land at the time. (^_^)

Yes it's Mature because Mature then was what Adult will be now. We all know this. Doesn't change the facts that child avatars do not belong in Zindra. In my personal opinion, they should restrict themselves to PG only. Once again, this is not about size or height. It's easy to change avatars. No one has presented one good reason why child avatars should be allowed other than LL saying so. I disagree. I hope at some point Jack Linden will explain the position of Linden Lab, why they decided to take this controversial approach, even though it contradicts their own ageplay policies.

In the future I will not respond to posts that are word games, insults or repetitive in nature. If anyone has a good arguement to present, I'm more than willing to debate it. Otherwise, I won't bother to read it. It's just a waste of time and energy. Feel free to do the same with me if you want. Less strife this way.