Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Of course... Now, I guess I have to supply justification for wanting to blow up little kids, right? (O.o)

Just Amazing

...Yes, that was the second major turmoil caused by child avatar people...

Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults.

Yes but we are not talking PE. We are talking about Mainland. Zindra is all that is left on Mainland for adult content.

Zindra will be the only place for adults who wish to RP as adults.

Yes but we are not talking PE. We are talking about Mainland. Zindra is all that is left on Mainland for adult content.

Imnotgoing - if it is marked ADULT CONTENT - then a child should NOT be near it - no matter if it is sexual or not.

I need a history lesson here. How did kid avatars CAUSE the turmoil of the SL5B declination fiasco?(^_^)

The "Sordid sex scandal" was started by a German news reporter that posed as a RL underage girl getting involved with adult avatars. (^_^)

The SL5B fiasco was started by one or two Lindens that figured they could change the game for valid PG communities in representing SL's population. (^_^)

Fantasy | Reality
^^ Find the line. (^_^)y

One of your main problems is that, like a child, you have a excuse for everything and can easily put blame way away from yourself and your ilk. If the Second Life residents start acknowledging how we are perceived out of SL then we would have a much better public image. What's wrong with being known as the 'responsible' online community as opposed to what you are?

Nonetheless Imnot, one would usually sit back and wonder why, in the eyes of these Lindens, were child avatars no longer welcome at the Second Life Birthday Party event. No steps were taken to repair that relationship. You all just bullied your way back in and stuck your tongue out at the ones trying to keep you out.

You cross the line when you depict a child in an area that has porn, prostitution and sex. And then you pint of 5 reasons why your allowed to be there.

Kids were kept out due to the intolerance of a very very limited few.

my dad would take me on the Harley Davidson poker runs. None the worse for wear, and, I was the "cool kid" at school for having a biker dad and stolen copies of Easyrider magazine. (^_^)y

Ah... And speaking of SL6B....


http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?ID=381236

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No. Those were Linden employees and no residents were ivolved in making that decision. And two emplyees of of the corporation that owns Second Life did not go rogue and start imposing bans on child avatars as part of their personal agendas. You know that is not what happened. These Linden staff were given a directive and were just trying to do their job and pass the message along. When enough of the community gets tired of you all mucking things up to protect your own personal agendas Linden Lab will have no problem in cutting you all loose. Three strikes and your out.

I am sorry you had such a hard childhood - but please do feel it was acceptable what he did. Those are not endearing childhood memories and they obviously color your depictions of children in Second Life. I really do not think the entire Adult Content community should have to suffer because of your personal agenda. Child Avatars should not set u0p parcel next door to brothels or BDSM castles on Zindra - even if they are not prohibited from doing so.

I said an intolerant few. Yes... Intolerant Lindens. They're not bloody gods. They're people. I'm sure there's a racist Linden, a sexist Linden, a porn-addicted Linden... So.. An Intolerant few had their own personal agenda. Other Lindens did not. In the end, cool tolerant minds won out.

WHich is why I'm in favor of Kid AV's being careful. *You* know that there's no keeping the moralists from freaking out, and *I* know that, but neither LL nor the moralists seem to get it.

The moralists are in a constant state of "fix this or else!", and companies like LL bend over backwards and make things worse- for example, by doing things like saying publicly "there's a special place for adult content, and people pretending to be children can go there"

They have made their (and *our*) position *worse* by doing this. s long as there was no special category for sexually explicit (commercialized) material, the idea that "Mature" meant other things than sex held water. Now, however, they make their intentions plain by telling people that their parcels aren't sexual *enough* to deserve a swap for the land they purchased and are now being told is limited in content .

LL has made it all about sex- and no one else. which is why mentioning Zindra and Child AV's in the same sentence is *crazy talk*.

Leave things as they were, and you can get away with something like "no sexual ageplay, but access to mature areas". draw attention to the sexual content, say "it's over there" and you cannot justify allowing child AV's in the same place.

I am not against Child AV's- I'm fine with them. I'm even fine with them if they are wielding machine guns, setting fire to nekkos, or killing and eating each other if they like. It's not my problem. I am against the LL *policy* which alone has made it difficult to impossible to rationally defend the prospect of CHild Avatars playing in Zindra.

LL has segregated the grid in a number of ways with this policy. the CHild AV policy is simply one of the many ways the grid will not be the same. Pretending otherwise is simply asking for trouble of varying shapes and sizes.

This isn't about *rights*, it is about reality. or rather, reality as perceived by those who can make some sort of hay by flogging SL and the reality faced by LL when the pressure builds to a sufficient point.

That isn't anyone's fault but LL's for making catastrophically poor choices like putting PG and Mature Sims next to each other, and then trying to fix the problem without separating them now.

Just one vampire's opinion, but there you go.

^V^

Lias, as the one who actually had the idea of Kids5B, the parallel event after LL's giant mess up with kicking the kids out of representing themselfs at SL5B, I have to say that you have not the slightest clue what you are talking about. Kinda funny, you must have missed all these weeks completely. All the support from all the different SL communities to defend the kids community.

Of course, you again will confuse reason and effect. The reason was a totally stupid decision by whoever at LL made the decision to exlude the kids community from an event that all the years before was inclusive to all SL residents. The effect was a SL wide support by 95 percent of all residents - and finally LL realizing what a giant PR debacle they put on themselfs.

We invited LL to put up a gateway at the Kids5B SIMs back to the SL5B SIMs - never got a reaction by LL to that, sadly.

Alltogether, Kids5B/SL5B was a tremendous success not only for the kids community, but also for all of SL

Oh, I am not saying you all did not take full advantage of the community to bully your way back in. On the contrary - you all caused quite a ruckus. None of you asked anyone to please just enjoy the event and you all would negotiate with LL to be represented without all the bruhaha.
Your not even willing to accept that Linden Lab actually had a reason. I am not saying that you have to accept their reason - but none of you will even claim any culpability at all. LL did not put themselves in a PR debacle you and your ilk put LL in a PR debacle to force them to allow you back in SL5B.
Linden Lab kicked your avatar type out of SL5B and you all nearly destroyed the entire annual event t get back in - and then you expect LL to partner on a gateway with you. The fact that they did not even respond to decline should indicate something to you.
Ah, no. After the main orgainzers quit to support the kicked out kids the event was chaos all the way through. None of you asked those organizers to please go back and continue to assist the rest of the community and not destroy the event. You actually take pride in getting these key SL Volunteers to abandon the community until you got your way. And please do not pretend that LL forgot you held them over a barrel and publicly embarrassing them.

Lias, maybe ... just maybe ... the support from those key SL Volunteers and the 95 percent of the SL residents SHOULD make you rethink your own position? Like ... if you are driving on the autobahn, and there is a radio notice about a driver driving on the wrong direction lane, and you think "One? Thousands!" there MIGHT be a chance that you yourself are the one driving on the wrong lane?

Lol, it's really funny. You are the one behaving like a little kid now ... stomping with his feet because you didn't get what you want.

Again, Lias. 95 percent support. This *should* make someone think - if he is able and willing to think... All the blog posts, many of the forum posts and other publications about LL's PR debacle about SL5B are still there for you to read.

We didn't bully anyone into supporting us.

But you don't want to read, you don't want to learn and you don't want to accept that maybe you are the one driving on the wrong direction lane. What a childish behaviour...

And you should think what your community did to be excluded.

I said you used that support from the community to bully LL to let you back in the celebration.

The kids community did nothing.

Some individuals did stupid things, and the kids community was and is very fast in dealing with such individuals. BTW, such individuals are in each community and are no reason to discriminate against this community.

We used that support for nothing but for setting up Kids5B. Nobody went to LL and said "Hey, look at all the support we get from all over the grid, think again about including us, OR!". Nobody told other communities "Hey, they don't let us kids in, please boycott the official events." But it's not like facts ever held you back, right?