Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

The current rules prohibit it.

Milla the rules prohibit the child avatars from being within eyesight of Adult Sexual activity or equipment. Brothels Do not have that equipment on the first floor (even BDSM) places will keep those devices in the dungeon). SO no rule will stop a child avatar from stating 'yeah I saw it was marked Brothel in Adult search - but I did not go upstairs where the actual sexual activity was going on so I did not break any rules'

Child avatars are prohibited from being "in proximity to 'sex beds' or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts". Being inside a brothel certainly places them in proximity to all of those. There is nothing that says they must be within eyesight.

A resident explaining their presence as a child avatar in the first floor of a brothel to the G-Team by saying all the naughty stuff was on the second floor would find themselves on the fast track to a suspension.

It is clearly prohibited under current policy.

Any sane brothel owner would also prohibit child avatars from the parcel.

What a narrowly defined scenario. Wait... what's on each floor of a typical brothel, again? I'm confused.

How can you know your in the proximity of a sex bed if you do not see it? Your saying that if a parcel is marked Brothel, Escort Lounge or BDSM Club that the child avatar should use common sense and assume that there is adult sexual equipment and activity on that parcel and not go onto that parcel.

You have interpreted the rule to yourself to include "There is nothing that says they must be within eyesight". That is your personal interpretation - LL made their policy (as you say) Clear. A person reading that policy may not choose to assume there is adult content out of site in a parcel and enter anyway.

Because these child avatar people have caused chaos before - LL should make sure these folks know what is acceptable depictions and what is not.
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Hehe. I believe they have beds and sex balls in Brothels Adz - but not in the lobby. And really most sexual places do not have it in-your-face as soon as you cross the threshold.

Sorry, this is stupid and you simply are lying. Show me ONE SINGLE QUOTE from all this discussion where a kid/teen avatar says anything like "I want and will go to a brothel's lobby because the actual sex doesn't happen there but in other rooms.". You won't find one. The closest to that is what many said: that the street INFRONT of the brothel is public space and therefore everyone is allowed there.

Oh well, I don't expect an answer to my question. You don't answer questions that put your own behaviour in doubt. Remember? In the other thread? You were asked dozens of times about the truth of a chatlog where you promote making up fraudulant AR's to get rid of kid avatars... I'll be nice and repost the question here. Not that you will answer it...

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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I suppose, technically, it might be possible that someone would create a building and slap the name "brothel" on the front and not actually put any sex beds or other sexual content in it. But if they do, is it actually a brothel? Or is it a restaurant?

http://www.silive.com/southshore/index.ssf/2009/02/staten_island_restaurant_cant.html#

What, no porn on the walls, no dance poles, no "come hither" cuddle couches? You really are sounding more and more desperate.

Hey, my adult content is a restaurant - If its in Zindra on a parcel marked Adult - Child avatars should assume it contains Adult content and should NOT ENTER.

Naughty Neva, Hard Alley - The sexual content is not near the the rez point - the shopping malls are - But the orgies are are there and everyone knows it. Why is an accurate description of many sexual areas in SL desperate? A child avatar at the Naughty Neva property is completely inappropriate - even if they cannot see the sex balls.

Still asking you Lias, did you write this below, the constant no answer is a loud comment too.


Originally Posted by Feral Mistwalker
Gotta love it when "people" flat out admit they are going to file false abuse reports LOL

[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade

And from Chris Norse, asked a few times now, I assume in relation to your fear campaign

I have asked you at least 3 times Lias, please provide a link to a non SL or non game related news site that contained any news, more specifically outrage at kid AV's, about the Zindra opening. Can you do it?

Remind me where Naughty Neva and Hard Alley have been residing for the last few years? Are they on adult sims, oh silly me no of coure they aren't yet, they've only just introduced adult sims.

The scenarios you keep describing could have happened any time over the last few years, it's now going to be harder for trouble makers to cause any sort of rumpus. You know this but you keep ignoring it.

The Lindens have made it clear that child avatars CAN go to the Adult parcels as long as they do Not see the sexual activity or the devices - Before on Mature mainland a child avatar could play stupid and pretend they teleported to Naught Neva's by mistake. Now if it happens it will completely deliberate and legal under the current TOS rules for child avatars. These rules need to address ADULT PARCELS and let the child avatars know they cannot enter these parcels marked adult for no reason - even if the Adult Content is not visible to them.

How the heck does one teleport to Naughty Neva's by mistake, it's as clear as day what's going on there.



This is different to the current scenario how? In just what way has a damn thing changed other than it's now even more clear that land on a certain continent may contain adult material? There is even less chance of the absolutely hard to swallow chance of someone accidentally teleporting to a place like Naughty Neva's.

The situation is getting better not worse, people need to be account verified to get to Zindra, they need to be set to access adult land and they need to have the adult search box ticked to even find places.

This is one of the few positives to come out of this and you refuse to see it. The scenarios you're so offended by are even less likely to happen.

Guess what Lias? Naughty Neva's just happens to sell things that are perfectly OK for a child avatar to be around, yea, even own in their own treehouse. They have good reason to be there buying said products. A legitimate reason. This is why Linden Lab has actually exercised the foresight (yes, I actually said it, foresight, even coming from Linden Lab!), to state that child avatars are in fact welcome on Zindra. They have the sense to know there are actually reasons why a child avatar would have a legitimate purpose in being there, so why can't you see this? START THINKING ALREADY!

I stand correct on this, sorry for calling you a liar about it. Still it changes nothing, a kid/teen avatar being in the lobby of a brothel would already be in deep shit under the already existing rules dealing with sexual ageplay.

oh wow, Lias PMd me AGAIN!

And i had not even posted a single word directed at him/her this entire thread to begin with!

The power of pictures!

Lias WINS!




THREAD OVER!

You missed my point...I asked for direct quotes, you took an indirect path. All you're doing is showing evidence of a singularly mis-informed argument on your part. (=_=) The TOS is over here >> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php (=_=)

The fun part is that Lias mis-quoted me by injecting meanings into my literal statements again. I NEVER said that I would bring my avatar to "the brothel lobby". (^_^)

I have a very long draw distance. So, I can cam over by about 2 to 3 sims before any major detail is lost. Meaning, I can be in a PG sim and cam over to a Mature sim to see someone's private bondage photography collection. (^_^)

Does that mean I got my child avatar involved in sex? No. (^_^)

Does that mean I exposed children to porn? No. (^_^)

Once the camera leaves the avatar, the fourth wall is broken. At that point, it's just an adult, on the internet, manipulating a camera artifact in a 3D simulation. Just because a child avatar's CAMERA is focused on sexually explicit material, it doesn't mean that the child avatar is involved at all. (^_^)y

Child avatars are not permitted at Naughty Neva's. The descriptions for those places also make it perfectly clear they are completely inappropriate for child avatars.

I agree with you 50%... Your parcel, your rules. But, you DON'T own the sim. If I buy a parcel 32 meters away from you; MY parcel, MY rules. (=_=)

Now be a good little avatar, enjoy your parcel, and don't be too butthurt when bumping into my banlines. I'm just putting them up to protect you. (^_^)y

Oh. I didn't realize this was the case. I still think Neva's got some things that are fine for child avatars, but if she's already banned them then it's a non-issue anyway (which strangely seems to be Lias's favorite target for making an issue of).

Again, that's not what they wrote. They said they can not be in proximity to them. Being in the lobby of an active brothel is clearly "in proximity" to them. Being in the garden of a house that happens to have a sex bed in it is not "in proximity". And that's completely legal even on mature regions.

On the other hand there's at least one mature region where there's a building marked "brothel", because that building happens to be part of a stage set for a western town. It's got no adult content or activities, no sex beds or porn.

Lias tends to think that a parcel owner can control the whole sim... Especially if it's her parcel. One look at the Bear Infohub drama reveals that. (=_=)

Now, an estate sim? Sure. In fact, they can put it in the estate covenant. "This is a sexually oriented sim, child avatars are not allowed." No harm. No foul. I know plenty of places like that. But, as for mainland, it's completely up to the individual PARCEL owner to maintain their PARCEL rules within the boundaries of their own PARCEL. (^_^)y

They do have a kids department, called "Kid Kreations", at one part of their 4-sim mini continent.