H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

There is an element of risk with any drug we may take. That can't be denied. But risk is a part of our lives all the time. Even IF vaccinations have a hand in these unfortunate situations, what is the percentage of this happening on the whole? No one knows for sure. But we pretty much know what can happen if you aren't vaccinated for most of these things . Maybe you are throwing the dice, but I like the odds myself.

Figure of speech.

Just mention things and I can do my own digging around. I don't expect others to be my resource librarian. No one owes anyone that in here, in my opinion.

Basically I was leaving the door open in case there was one, but I have never heard of one.

Sorry to hear about the little girl. I'm not sure what the other case you quoted has to do with things. If someone is verified to have autism or neurological damage that is much different than a nervous mother's subjective opinion.

As I said earlier (I'm not sure in which thread, now, too much crosstalk for me) it isn't whether vaccinations themselves are helpful. It's the way they are being manufactured, tested and (in some cases) legislated. Our rights to redress are being taken away while standards for the product continue to decline, including Big Pharma's accountability.

This I agree with wholeheartedly

I wish I could have injected my granny for MMR. My uncle wouldn't have been born blind in one eye. I wish another uncle had had access to the flu jab. He died a few months before I was born. A whole branch of my great grandfather's siblings were wiped out by diphtheria. Another branch of that generation was riddled by TB. Pity my auntie hadn't known about the necessity of folic acid, my cousin may not have had spinal bifida. It is clear to me there are advantages to medical advancement, and consequences of ignoring them.

Lol, I never said I *trusted* the drug companies. To me, benefit outweighs risk. Studies get rushed and even fudged. Advances come with set backs. Sometimes unfortunately unethical people are involved. Even with my double dose of final MMR, I am fine. If something pops up 10 or 20 or 30 years from now like the DES babies, so be it. I could have been dead from measles for years by then, anyway.

That little girl was actually an adult by the time I knew her, and the other man had Down's. The point of mentioning him is he didn't stop saying the one word of unintelligible babble because he was told to shut it when he was a toddler (even he isn't that stubborn), but his mother lives with the fear that that is the reason, and she lives with the guilt. It was simply a matter of unfortunate timing. I see a lot of vaccine-autism correlation in that concept, and I think that is very unfair if it isn't the cause.

I'm not at all interested in the Big Pharma debate that could mushroom out of this. I'm sure someone else will be along though.

It's doubtful they run out and buy their eggs from a supermarket.

i doubt it is one egg per shot and i doubt it's billions they need..each hen will make an egg a day depending on how much they are tricked that it is daylight..

If aluminum was the highest possible cause then it could come from a lot of things..we're around it all the time..if you have air conditioning or forced air heat with air .the coils that deteriorate which are made of aluminum could be a factor..the coils in your car for heat and air all pass through a coil made of copper and aluminum..who knows what comes out of smoke stacks or what is in our water ect..
Aluminum has been around a long time..it's been used a lot more since the tin can was replaced..what about the plastic bottles and them sitting in the sun..they poison the contents also..
then you have Aspartame in gum and in lots of other things..

maybe getting vaccinated then riding in our cars with the air conditioner on while drinking a pop that was left on the sunny side of the car and chewing gum causes it..
Mom can i have a sip of your pop..my arm hurts from the shot and my gum lost it's taste and it's hot in here..make it colder.. BILLY!! get back in that car seat before you get hurt!!!
LOL

What was that about lizards?
doh!

It must be one shot per egg when you think about it. Don't you think?
It's only a theory BUT
maybe teh recession is based on an invisibility factor of eggs being used for vaccines. Like oil and other cash thingies.
Chicken farms have prolly done really well outta this. Not so sure about piggy farms.

The whole first half of your post is exactly what I said, only in different words..
And you refute twists I never mentioned. I said the fda is using strong arm tactics in an *unofficial* manner, under the table, off the record, etc.. My father is a major retailer for this kind of stuff, and we've seen the FDA show up and "lean" so heavily on a products distributors that they're forced to shut down.. all over *repeated* nit picks with the manufacturer over words like "and" and "or". One right after the other, and each complaint they have with it is a new one that wasn't mentioned the last time. How many times can you print a new label and repackage everything before you go broke? It's a method to "effectively" prevent something from being sold.. which is what I said I suspected the ultimate goal is. Despite what *you* claim, natural-based and herbal products are NOT allowed to be used to treat ANY kind of medical condition at all. Go pick up a bottle of something listed as herbal or 100% natural and find the statement on it that says "These statements herein have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent disease." They FORCE that label on anything that's natural-based, even IF they have legit double-blind format studies done on them, and because of it can NOT be used in the medical profession, or as a treatment for anything. If you can find even one natural product that has earned a legit FDA approval, I'd probably give you an assload of L$, because they simply don't exist.

Short version: The FDA is doing its job. Herbal medicines can be approved by the FDA IF they undergo the same trials as any other treatment: there is no ban on herbal or natural treatments, but there is a ban on unsupported claims. I may disagree at times with its methods, but I am glad to have the FDA, especially considering the state of products on the market before it existed. The statement you mention is required of any product that has not been evaluated by a rigorous clinical trial, be it natural or synthetic.

You want one natural product that has earned FDA approval? How about penicillin?

I'm already on her ignore list, so...

I kinda have to blame prescription drug commercials for this. There was a time when advertising prescription drugs outside of official medical journals, and particularly advertising on TV, was prohibited. Doctors were free to prescribe what they believed was the best drug for the presented malady. Nowadays, with the huge proliferation of drug commercials on TV, you have John and Jane Public all believing they know more about their maladies and the drugs to treat them than the doctors do. The doctors who stand up to such pressure are avoided, and these people actively seek out doctors who will prescribe whatever their patients want.

It's really no wonder our medical system is such a mess. I guarantee that if prescription drug advertising outside of professional media is again prohibited, some sanity would be restored.

Not sure if it really answers your questions or not, but this makes for some interesting reading if you have about a half hour or so: http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/06d-0480-gld0001.pdf

Good catch. Might I also add that, just because something is "100% natural" does not mean it is 100% safe... Penicillin is perfectly natural, yet has a very high allergy rate, causing severe systemic shock in many people who are allergic to the drug.

Ipecac is also a natural product with FDA approval. Ipecac is made from dried rhizome and roots of the ipecacuanha plant. It has severe side effects that are potentially fatal if misused or abused.

You know as well as I do that opinions are not fact. Instead of just giving your useless opinion, why don’t you start giving some facts? Just for your convince, I have included links I previously posted so you won’t need to go through the whole thread as I’m sure you have better things to do like actually doing some real research into what research there is.

All the proof you need that vaccines don’t work:

http://www.naturalnews.com/z027239_vaccines_flu_vaccine_.html

Here is Gary Null speaking at the NYS assembly hearing exposing the fraudulent research by the drug companies and the FDA turning a blind eye to it. If you like a lot of others here feel he is just another nut, why don’t you just call him a liar and prove him wrong in this thread. Gary Null has probably done more research on this than anyone else on the planet. Unlike the medical profession, he does not charge a penny to treat people that the medical profession has given up on. Unlike the supermarket chains, he sells organic food in his shops at cost which is grown on his farms and is a lot cheaper than the pesticide covered non nutritious crap you get in the supermarket chains. Unlike the medical profession he has a staff of nutrition’s that anyone can call for advice for free. But hey, he’s just a money making nut out to fleece people. How many doctors do you know that actually cure people of AIDS, he does, and he does it for free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gavenB_AJ9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QEhPnlUlk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsyT3dN9gEY


Dr. Carley, who at one time believed all the crap she was taught in medical school. She let her son have the vaccinations which led him to become autistic. She started to research this and found that it was due to the vaccines and started a campaign to inform. So the medical establishment decided to get her. She has had her son removed from her, been accused of being insane (something that is becoming more and more common in the US for even just trying to claim your rights under the constitution in courts). They then removed her license to practice. All this, just because she was trying to inform. Well that didn’t stop her and she now continues and also continues to help treat with methods she has developed to reverse autism with success. But hey, she is just another nut job according to most here in this thread.

http://www.drcarley.com/

Here is an article about the minutes and discussion by a group of drug company scientists and executives over research that was done about the connection of autism and vaccines. The US senate managed to get the minutes while investigating. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is fact and can be checked at the senate. Don’t ask me to find it for you, you do the work, you might learn a few other things while you are at it.

http://www.icnr.com/articles/thimerosalcoverup.html

Why don't you ask that same doctor whether they will sign a statement that they will take full financial liability and swear that there will be no problems with your child having a vaccine. You know he won't, and is likely to throw you out of his office. Explain how you can trust them?

The whole system has been created by the drug companies so that it is not possible for small business to meet those standards because the cost will be at least $50 million. Why do you think the cost is so high. How the hell can it cost a minimum of $50 million to prove something? Who is going to pay that kind of money to prove that Apricot seeds for example will cure you of cancer? No one. But it does and any company trying to sell the seeds and makes a claim that it does is raided by the FDA storm troopers. I don't need or want the FDA stopping me from getting information just because they don't like it. The FDA only buckles when a large corporation goes against them like Coca Cola did last year when they suddenly published that they were going to use Stevia as a sweetener instead of other artificial sweeteners like aspartame where the FDA has a list of 94 health issues aspartame causes yet does not ban its use. Aspartame is so toxic, its solid form known as NutraSweet and be placed in the garden and will kill the bugs that eat it. Does Stevia do that, of course not. Would you spray fly spray on your food? So the FDA within a week published that it would now allow the use of Stevia in products because they were too scared to go up against Coca Cola. Interestingly, it was Coca Cola that wanted the FDA to ban it back in the 1970's because it was too toxic. But when Reagan became president, he fired the head of the FDA who was going to ban it and replaced him with someone who only purpose was to get it passed and then resigned himself. Of course, its all just another conspiracy, and I'm a conspiracy nut.

I'm not sure to what these numbers refer, but on an upbeat note: this is possibly the most important emerging area in biotech right now. The cost of full genome sequencing is falling dramatically, promising an ability to tailor treatment regimens specifically to an individual patient. Lots of data to collect before any of that can be optimal, but it will change the very fundamentals of how medicine is practiced.

How did you work out this bit of creative mathematics?

Is that really the best you can do? You remind me of the Russian soldiers in WWII that were given vodka each day to get drunk and then each morning sent out over the fields to storm the German positions only to be mowed down with machine guns.

Read the reports from the various vaccination cause autism alarmist.

Crud.

I just read the rest of the thread and realized who i was responding to.

After reading some of that extreme crap i don't know what to think.

I guess the entire medical industry is part of a giant conspiracy and all the doctors know the truth but are lying about vaccinations...

~Not worth it~

Bye.