H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

For those on this thread that have been attacking those that sell natural cures and people like me that present them, my reply is this:

When I stand in front of a fire, I don't need loads of scientific researched whether peer reviewed or not to know that I feel warmth. The same goes for taking something like colloidal silver or a product like Super Silver. I will try it and if it works I will tell people, if it doesn't I will tell people. I don't need shit loads of peer reviewed research when taking Super Silver that will cure me of a flu in less than 12 hours with no symptoms left, I just know it worked. The same goes for other products most of which use herbs or other plant extracts having been used often for thousands of years that have no side effects and known to be safe. If you people don't like that, tough. The number of people that do not have any respect for doctors and use natural cures is growing at an enormous rate. It has been estimated that in the UK where I am it is now 50% of people needing help for some kind of health problem. Certainly in countries like Germany that has a tradition of using herbal remedies, it is very big. Times are a-changing whether you lot like it or not, and whether it is peer reviewed or not. The whole corrupt peer review system is falling apart anyway because it can't keep up with the number developments that are taking place. More and more people are just going to ignore it anyway because they have no choice.

No, you show your maths. Even if it has been at 1 in 166 for the last 100 years, there is no way it could be 10%, so show your maths and stop using those sites as examples of why it is not true that vaccines cause autism.

I am howling with laughter here.

"According to writer David Icke, 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at humanity. He claims that the reptilians maintain their control through the generation of fear and negative emotion, which is food to these entities, by manufacturing conflicts, primarily wars."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid

This guy must love all of Debra's threads.

Look, i am a vegan. I am all for natural things.

Last i checked, the evidence of "herbal remedies" and "supplements" working in the body was zero to none.

Vaccines are an up and down issue. I do not think all vaccines are safe as they are made by people who have flaws and make mistakes. *shrug*. But obviously there is scientific fact and data to support vaccines do help and can prevent the spread of disease and illness since their inception. Can some vaccines cause bad things to happen to people? Sure they can. Have you ever read the side-effects list for Tylenol? It is pretty scary, so i don't take Tylenol, or Ibuprofen (which i can't take anyways). The entire month of June into part of July i suffered major illness that caused me to drop 15lbs in weight, which is pretty dramatic when you only weigh 130 or so and the problem ended up being one of the meds i have to take daily for the rest of my life was now giving my side-effects - bummer huh? I thought i was dying. But hey, side-effects happen - it does not mean that particular drug is evil or is part of conspiracy theory to kill people with mental illness or anything.

So no, i personally do not get vaccinated and only have my kids vaccinated for the usual routine to protect them for the rest of their lives, whether they get flu shots etc when they are older is up to them of course. I won't be taking them for that because i know someone in Illinois CDC and i don't like the things they tell me about influenza shot manufacturing and how it gets decided what is included.

However, i am not seeing any of this evidence that says there is a link between autism and vaccinations as being valid. But with that said. I am going to look at the links you have posted, Debra.

Also, your entire approach to this subject is overly aggressive and condescending. A discussion can take place without the condescension and rudeness.

I'll watch those youtubes and post here after a while.

Right. The actual thread topic, however, has some interest, if we just ignore the anti-flouridation fearmongering.

Possibly the toughest hurdle for individuals to get over is the instinct that protecting themselves and their offspring is the most important thing possible. It's very difficult to get past that. For a few decades, polio vaccination required that people in developed countries think about the risk to the population as a whole, not just the individual risk to their children.

During the time that it appeared polio eradication was imminent, it had to be difficult for parents to accept even the minuscule risk of their children getting that vaccination, rather than rely on everybody else doing it and free-riding on the immunity of the population as a whole. Of course, had every parent acted in their own children's best individual interests, the entire population would have been vulnerable to that horrid disease, and eradication wouldn't have been possible. Instead, rates of polio death would have cycled wildly from generation to generation, as epidemic followed decreased vaccination and as vaccination followed epidemic.

The horror is that we may be seeing exactly that effect. Polio is now spreading to countries where it had been eradicated. Now even in developed countries the moral hazard of favoring the individual risk over that of the population is moot: the individual risk is back, and no responsible parent could consider leaving their child unvaccinated for polio.

Had eradication efforts not been impeded by anti-vaccination rhetoric, polio could have been another disease for which vaccination is no longer needed. Ironic, and tragic.

The military does mandatory vaccinations including flu shots.

When it was flu shot time, i used to take a red marker and make a few dots on my upper arm and then cover that with a band-aid and whenever i was told "go get your flu shot" i would just raise my short sleeve and show them that i already had. They were pretty strict with me because i refused to get the Anthrax shot and hid out on the aircraft carrier for 10 hours avoiding the shot. So ever since then, they would literally 'order' me down for my shots. The flu shot i could spoof my way out of. Unfortunately i had to get all 6 Anthrax shots, and those suckers were the 3rd most painful thing i have gone through (#1, Child birth, #2, Sciatic nerve, #3 Anthrax shot) but now i have the benefit of being able to snort it, yay! Oh and my kids were born without issues. Double yay!

Most flu's i have ever had only lasted about 24 to 48 hours..
Saying if i wait to take something after it is full blown flu and it will cure me in 12 to 24 hours is like telling me to take a sugar tab..Because more than likely my immune system already has it found..It's just fighting the war..Thats what a fever is..The war going on to fight off what your body has found..The runny nose and sore throats and things are your body rejecting the virus..you don't fight the flu by taking fever reducers..You only prolong it..Those are for when it gets to a dangerous level.. If they are at those levels you need to be heading to the doctor anyways..

I've only had a couple of flu's that kept me down for a week..This H1N1 was one of them..

How do you fight cancer..
We are born with cancer cells and we are born with immunity cells..It is a constant battle your whole life between the two..Things don't give you cancer..Things break down your immunity to let the cancer cells start to win the war in the body..
prevention is the best medicine for that..And that is a good immunity building diet..Side affects are nothing more than the body saying..Listen this doesn't belong here or we don't know what it is yet..So your body ends up building a tolerance for the meds..

Look at people that drink booze..They get drunk right away real easy when they start..But after doing it for so long it takes more and more of it to work on them..They have to drink more than their tolerance level..This is why you have to be weened off meds also..Your body can go into shock if you pull something out real fast..Withdraw will set in..

If this super silver doesn't make your immune system aware of the enemy..You only leave chances of catching the same virus again..Unless it actually makes the virus go dormant..then it can be worse when it pops back up..

I'm very much into natural immunity building diets and letting my body fight off things..
But if there is ever a case where i know it can't handle it you can bet i'm gonna go for the antibodies to make my body aware rather than something that will only hold off this fight..

I've had Meningococcal before that almost killed me when i was 16 and trust me..One time was enough for me..I'm gonna go with letting my body identify the enemy rather than go on that ride again..

I am not knocking someone for going with what they think works or whatever..But nobody could scare me into what is fact..And the fact is if your immunity cells cannot find it or identify it then you are still defenseless against that enemy..
And if they can find it and can't handle it ..Then you have to do what you can do at the time to stay alive..

OK, you are not known for logic, but even for you this is a bit over the top and unfounded. I answered a direct question, with just one of many possible examples (which, you may note, was correct). Medicine is full of organic compounds that have been fully tested and turned into useful drugs. I did not list either vodka or lead as possible cures, but feel free to take them yourself if it makes you feel better. If these home remedies were as effective as you claim, the pharmaceutical companies would not suppress them: they would commercialize them. The first company to win FDA approval for an inexpensive compound that can cure the flu in 12 hours would be able to undercut their competitors' prices and make billions of dollars. The same is true of cancer cures: any company sitting on one would be fools not to commercialize it and drive their competition out of business. Drug companies are always looking for new compounds and sources of medicines. If it was effective and had the miraculous properties and lack of side effects that you claim, than it would be sold. That's what companies do.

Also consider the fact that people that work for the drug companies are human. Actual, living, breathing, caring human. Yes, they want to make a profit. But to suggest that the entire industry, and the regulatory bodies that ineffectively police them, are willfully condemning millions of people to pain and death is just ludicrous. And to credit a single industry with the powers that you suggest is both paranoid and delusional.

And I am curious: what does it say about you as a person that you chose an analogy that puts yourself in the position of Fascist machine gunners?

Well what came first, the new outbreaks or the vaccinations that caused the outbreaks? What people like you never ever answer or admit to in these posts is that there will always be batches of vaccines that have live viruses in them because of the manufacturing process that WILL and ALWAY DO create outbreaks whether vaccinations work or not. People like you also will not admit that in Africa the vaccines that are used have also been the ones that were withdrawn in the US and Europe because they contained several other monkey viruses in them that were a danger to our health. Just because you say something is not so doesn't mean it isn't. As for not being polite enough for you, stick it up your arse. There are too many people being harmed by what you promote to worry about being nice to a genocide promoter.

*whips off her pants and waves them in salute.

Well seems like the EU disagrees with you because they recently banned any exporting within the EU and from outside to the EU to any member country of any products that have fluoride in them that will be eaten or drunk by any EU citizen. But this is not surprising as countries like Germany have always banned its use in water because the Nazi’s used it to make the Jews docile in the camps, who learnt that from the Russians who used it in their camps. I guess the Nazi’s like the Jews so much they wanted to make sure they had strong teeth before they killed them. It’s also not surprising that the British government has decided that the British public should not know where the sodium fluoride that is going into British water comes from as we know from the US that it is in fact toxic waste from the fertilizer industry. It is also odd that the British government decided to introduce fluoride into the water supply as the research that they quote from a Scottish university has been altered because the researchers have made it clear that their research did not find that it was safe and a benefit to stronger teeth. But hey, we must protect the children, even if it is a poison actually. Funny how they must have all been wrong back in the 1960’s when the British government decided not to do it because of the research that was done at the time. I guess it must have been because of the memories of WWII and what the Nazi’s did and why was still so clear. Now we have self appointed idiots like yourself who want to decide for all of us.

Actually, the Super Silver does it for me in 6 hours, but I say 12 or less than 24 hours because I also sleep during that time.

The silver itself attacks the virus, bacterial or fungal infection. It is unlikely that you will get the same flu as they mutate too quickly, but the immune system would have also been involved because that is why you are not feeling well, so would have built up anti bodies. If you take colloidal silver each day you will never get the flu or a cold, but that is not required as you can just use it when you are sick. People who take garlic supplements also find that they do not get the flu or colds. But not all the garlic supplements work well because they are not able to provide the Allicin that is produced when the garlic is crushed from disappearing from the product as it has a short life.

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No what they do is look for things they can patent.

You are unable to dispute that the two examples I gave for curing cancer do not work. They clearly do and are not being used by the medical establishment to help people. Instead they continue to mutilate women with breast cancer and continue to kill people with chemotherapy. It doesn’t matter that the drug companies don’t want to do this, but it does that the medical establishment refuse to implement these cures.



Yes, that’s exactly why the arguments you make, make it seem that what I say cannot be so, but it is because we all know what it is like at work. We have to pay the bills, we have to be able to work in the career we have chosen etc. This is why we get so few whistleblowers, and when we do they get attacked immediately.

Recently it has come to light how three nurses have been hounded and sacked for exposing an incompetent doctor here in the UK. One of them has finally managed to get the courts to force the area health service to re-employ her. Was she not doing the right thing by exposing this doctor? But instead she and the other two were removed and the doctor continued to be employed. So don’t bother with these silly arguments about we are all caring humans, 99.9% turn a blind eye.



You must love working for them.



Really, interesting how your mind decided on this interpretation of something that reminded me about people that got drunk enough to walk into a hail of bullets. It was you I was thinking of. Someone that follows the official line and has no intellect to figure out what the truth may be.

If it does any such thing, prove it. Silver does have antibacterial properties, which is why it is used TOPICALLY in wound care products. There is no evidence it fights infection when taken internally.

On the other hand, there is plenty of scientific evidence that Beta Glucan does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-glucan

Infection
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7979607
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19864674
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7979954
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487593
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1548086
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9517930
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9652441

Cancer (injectable form currently in clinical trials as a cancer treatment)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7232829
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3156669
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1123850
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9581677
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3425579
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15240666
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14695221
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17161824

Paging Dr. Strangelove.

You are correct. I will not dispute that the two examples you gave do not work.

Now what did the doctor say would happen if we didn't take our meds?

Nope, not pulling your leg. The amount all depends on the potency and this one is not growing as fast as others, but they are speeding it up.

ok debra, you were doing ok on your arguments..fairly crackpot, but what the hell, the world is full of nutters.
However you crossed the line on curing cancer. Consequently you are now on my ignore list for being just plain stupid...............

Quote from D Himmel:

"Recently it has come to light how three nurses have been hounded and sacked for exposing an incompetent doctor here in the UK. One of them has finally managed to get the courts to force the area health service to re-employ her. Was she not doing the right thing by exposing this doctor? But instead she and the other two were removed and the doctor continued to be employed. So don’t bother with these silly arguments about we are all caring humans, 99.9% turn a blind eye." End Quote

It's not that what you have said is absolutely totally untrue but you have twisted the facts just a bit to make it sound worse than it actually is.

Here is one article about the case taken from Sky News: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Nurses-Take-NHS-Manchester-To-Employment-Tribunal-Women-Blew-The-Whistle-On-Unqualified-Worker/Article/200909315385054.

There wasn't an incompetent doctor involved. They weren't sacked. The DoH is backing whistleblowers.

Debra's apparently got me on ignore, but could some kind person ask her to say when they did this? It's news to me, as an EU resident, and a quick look on Google reveals nothing of the sort.

Well, to be accurate, it does reveal something on infowars (what a surprise)http://www.infowars.com/european-court-ruling-spells-an-end-to-water-fluoridation/. In this, the UK Council Against Water Fluoridation argue that a 2005 ruling on whether something's a pharmacological product or a foodstuff ( http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2005:193:0003:0004:EN:PDF ) means that fluoridated water is a pharmacological product under EU law, but I haven't been able to find anything that suggests this particular application of the court's ruling is shared by the EU itself.

60 minutes did a nice piece on the swine flu vaccine last night..I litened to it on the radio in my car while driving.

Well I guess it must have been my imagination that when I get the flu it is gone in 12 hours after taking the silver. Or maybe it was the tooth fairy.

Why are you people still arguing with this insane person?