H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

Did I say that?

My RL ancestry is German, if that somehow matters. I meant (as you knew perfectly well) that because Amish tend to marry within a relatively closed population, a particular genetic predisposition for a disorder or its suppression may be disproportionately represented within that population.

This!

I quite suspect Debra has no children (and should certainly not hurry to have any), otherwise she'd likely be singing a completely different tune, if she was any kind of mother at all!

I have two kids of my own, one of whom has a high-functioning case of autism. For the record, he showed early onset of symptoms *before* he got his MMR, for which he was late due to supply issues (we were stationed overseas). So, that kinda blows THAT theory out the window!

Debra Himmel: I know you can't hear me because you are childishly plugging your ears and going "na na na na na na", but I'm going to say it anyway: Your line of thinking is every bit as harmful and poisonous as you claim modern medicine to be, and is the very reason why we as a society have a tendency to take two steps forward and one step back. I urge you to please get help before you do an innocent family and its children grave harm with your "advice".

We have, Himmel. You're just not paying attention. You are so blind in your false convictions that you are incapable of seeing the truth no matter how well it is presented.

That's it? Just vaccinations? Not the addition of any new OTC drugs to market? Not global warming? Not the increase in global air pollution, or the increase in mercury in the ocean waters? Not changes in childbirth methods and practices? Not the rise in alternative medicines since that time?

Just... Vaccinations?

Ummm... Sure.

so many links are all over the place..blogs and what not..

I'm not a pro at autism or anything like that but found a place that seems to be researching it
since 1967..
The Autism Research Institute (ARI)
then clicked possible triggers link.. http://www.autism.com/triggers/index.htm

they have stats on there also..it sounds like lots of things can cause it..

i was kind of shocked to see that boys out numberd girls in 2007 4 to 1..
i wonder why??still it seems like some good information on their site..
Blogs i tend to not trust..anyone can say just about anything they want on those..

Anyways there is the link if anyone wants it..i didn't see it posted so if it has been then sorry for that..

OFT and Amen. I never had the Chicken Pox as a child, I caught it in 2000 at the age of 30.

It was the most frightening physical ailment I've ever had.

The neat thing about Chicken Pox..... You might get to experience it again later in old age as that same virus causes Shingles. My grandfather had shingles on the side of his face, next to his eye. He lost the eye.

Ain't Viruses fun??


I get a HUGE kick out of these people who wont vaccinate their kid for things. Nothing says "Mommy & Daddy Love You" like letting your kid be the only one on the block to die from Measles, Polio, Smallpox.... while the rest of us can sit back & just enjoy.

Remember: Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.

Considering that all boys and girls get MMR vaccinations, and yet three times as many boys as girls have autism, I'm fairly convinced there isn't a link.

QFT!

"Weeding out the stupid" may or may not be a good thing. "Weeding out" their innocent kids is quite another.

You need to be careful with that type of reasoning. Many women were given DES in the 50s to prevent miscarriages. Daughters born of such pregnancies had an above average risk of cancer in their 20s and later, sons have a much lower risk. As it happens, the most significant risk is a particular type of otherwise rare cervical cancer.

The mere fact that boys and girls are affected by something at different rates doesn't by itself prove that something like MMR isn't the cause. The interactions could be more complicated.

But don't approach this from the perspective of trying to prove that autism isn't related to MMR, there are plenty of researches dealing with that. Approach it from the perspective that the people who keep claiming that there is a connection skip over the obvious issue of changes in diagnostic and reporting methods that are going to skew the statistics.

Few scientific studies are flawless. But the skeptics around these issues approach things with "Your study is imperfect and therefore wrong, but I'll pretend the much bigger flaws in my own data and reasoning don't even exist."

I know someone who got juvenile diabetes shortly after receiving a childhood mumps vaccine. He told me that it had a fairly high rate among boys who took the vaccine. I wish I could remember if he said no girls got it or very few. But, there are definitely differences in body chemistry that result in boys and girls having different risks in some things.

Catching it as an adult is much worse. I remember it going through college, and the few who had no immunity were not happy campers.

Whether vaccines work or are valuable isn't the issue some are debating, though. It's the manufacturing methods, the manufacturers, and a lot of other ancillary issues.

BTW there still isn't a vaccine for chicken pox, that I know of. (Chicken pox is actually 'herpes zoster' and like the infamous cousin it buries itself in nerve endings, and can resurface in other ways later - in this case possibly as 'shingles' in old age or when resistance is low.)

Only 4 of 16 variants. If that. It also has caused arthritis, vasculitis, and death among those taking the vaccine.

I don't add people to my ignore list because I don't like the information they post, but because those people either quote me as saying something I didn't and then thinking that writing that they fixed it is good enough or because they just make stupid comments or call me names or associate me with something that I have nothing to do with. They do it because they have nothing to add one way or the other and know I will read what they post. So I will not give them that pleasure.

I have never suggested that the MMR causes autism, I said that vaccinations do. Dr. Carley discovered either directly or indirectly that it is aluminium in vaccines that is the cause. She also found a report from back in the late 1980's commissioned by NATO that also found it was the aluminium. What is also not generally taken into account is that the mothers own toxicity adds to the unborn child that then gets a vaccination to add more toxicity which can push the child over the edge. As for the so called quacks of the natural health sector, I personally do not use doctors and have studied natural health methods as much as I can so know from personal experience how effective it is and the lack of side effects. As far as I am concerned most doctors are clueless morons that open the big black book they get from the drug companies to see what drug they can give you. They do not offer cures and those that do are immediately hounded by their own profession because it would put most of them out of work or reduce their income. They need sick people, not healthy ones. A good example of this is an Italian doctor who discovered that all cancers could be killed with the use of baking powder (sodium bicarbonate) because cancers cannot survive in an alkaline environment. The cure only takes a week with no side effects. He lost his license, but may have managed to get it back. You can see his presentation on YouTube in three parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgyZMaewuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMfrV43ku4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PC9EQPiNU

In the US there is a company that uses a laser treatment to cure people of ant skin cancer type or breast cancer with a 100% success rate and no side effects. The treatment is to inject a solution into the cancer and then use the laser to heat the solution to 55 degrees which kills the cancer but does not harm normal cells.

http://www.lasemedinc.com/home.html

So now the question has to be asked: Why is this is not generally available as a treatment? Because its all about the money; which is why the best you get is the drug companies trying to promote anti cancer vaccines where their own literature states that there is no proof it works, and people with cancer going through chemotherapy which kills most of them because it destroys the immune system. All cancers can be cured naturally because you just need to have an alkaline body.

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The problem I have is that if I make these suggestions I am supposed to provide proof, but am I really supposed to spend my life collecting data for years just so I can post a few things in a thread I just happen to see by chance. What I am doing is throwing something into the discussion and others can look it up for themselves. The problem is however that they are most likely to come access information that is provided by the drug industry whether directly, or more likely, indirectly. Just look at the response here to colloidal silver. Colloidal silver works, and it works better than anti-biotics. Super Silver can cure a malaria patient who is dying in three days and walk out of hospital in five. The research has been presented at annual conventions along side drug companies presentations and puts them to shame with their drugs taking a month to do the same with side effects. Yet this research is banned from being published by the FDA. And what do I see here, oh the FDA can't do that. Well yes they can and the do all the time. Drug companies are not interested in curing, they are interested in keeping people sick and patenting products. If they were they wouldn't be selling statin drugs when it is not the cholesterol levels that cause heart disease but its oxidation. They also do not provide a drug that will clear out the arteries, yet there are two products that I know of that will called Kardovite and Heart and Body Extract which are made from herbs that will not only clear the arteries in around nine months but will also repair damage done to the heart from a heart attack. I personally know someone that was getting heart palpitations after eating which would continues and last from twenty minutes to two days with a pulse rate of 116. The best the doctors could offer was for him to take a dangerous drug like beta blockers. Yet as soon as he took the first drops of Kardovite they never returned. What I have on my side is word of mouth, and the news about natural methods is spreading and it worries the medical profession and the drug companies a lot so they resort to things like producing research on vitamins showing that it will reduce life expectancy by 5 years. Well that is probably true, but the reason is that they use the cheap dead chemically produced vitamins that are generally sold cheaply in supermarkets. They never use vitamins that are produced from a vegetation source because the research would show that it extends life and makes the person much more healthy.

Ok fine. I'll accept those figures. Now someone show me how it got from 10,000 to 166.

This must be the German super race.

If you go to Germany and visit the villages in the southern part you will notice how the people all tend to look the same. Its nothing new and proves nothing.

If you want real proof, why don't you make some for yourself (don't buy it as it will be older than 3 months) the next time you have the flu and see how quickly it gets rid of it.

Or even better, buy some Super Silver which will last for years and see how it will cure you of the flu from its peak in less than 24 hours with all symptoms gone. And I'm talking about from when your joints and muscles hurt and you shiver from feeling cold. If you don't believe, just ring up an authority that is responsible for the welfare of rivers and see how paranoid they are about keeping silver out of the rivers because it will kill all the bacteria so destroying the food chain. Silver kills all viruses, bacteria, and fungus without exception.

OK, *that* was an ouch! That guy truly doesn't need to market anything, but if he does, I guess right along side the latenight "get rich quick from this life changing book that I somehow need to sell because the info contained in it is really BS" infomercials is the best place for him.



Yes, ditto that. I'm also a good percent German and live in an area that has a high percent of German people. Guaranteed being German doesn't mean a predisposition for anything, except maybe for liking beer.



Exactly.. No vaccine yet, no cure, and existing treatments can only shorten the length of symptoms. I can only feel extreme sympathy for those who get shingles on their head/face, OR on their no-nos! Getting pox as an adult would suck badly, but I can personally attest that *you do not* want shingles. I came down with them last year, brought on by the stress of barely keeping my job during a major downsize.

When the virus reactivates from its dormant spot inside a major nerve next to the spine, it follows that nerve branch wherever it leads all the way to the skins surface, and as it does that it attacks and damages the nerve the whole way. I was lucky in that it started as a bad middle backache, and followed around my rib cage under my armpit, across my right boob to the middle of my chest. Can't even really describe how bad it hurt as the virus attacked the nerve to my nipple, except to say that I really expected to never have sensation in it ever again.

There are a lot of moron physicians around.. that I'll agree. Many are "paper" doctors good enough to pass and get their cert and a job, but lack any solid diagnostic skills based on experience. It might be the sole reason TV shows like Mystery Diagnosis even exist. I'm not so sure about those motives being the case at the physician level though. Usually it's just a lazy doc not really interested in working for a solution, so they bark off an easy diagnosis and send you on your way. They line patients up like dominos and speed through them to get back to whatever. Anyone with a real problem that's been told it's just this or that and *knew* it wasn't, and walked out of there pissed off will probably agree. I can see those motives at work at the drug cartel.. I mean drug manufacturing level. It's a double-edged sword in that their business interests lie in selling drugs not cures, but major health insurers won't add *their* brands to prescription lists if they keep having to pay for ineffective drugs over and over. That ties into the fact that they're back-stabbing enough to one-up each other for that next big seller with the big patent. So it may not equal a total cure for things, but it also means there's not a whole lot of placebos or sugar pills either. Dangerous ones.. yeah we've seen those black label warnings and class action suit commercials, but not bunk.



Actually, this snippet is effectively true. Herbal and natural sourced remedies don't fall under the regulation arm of the FDA, but it's a secondary byclause that dictates what can be claimed about a product, and especially one without an FDA approval. Since the FDA can't mandate things about it, they won't accept trial and study results to actually earn that FDA approval.. reguardless of their validity. It's a catch 22 that's been an achilles heel for the herbal/natural industry for ages. The FDA does indeed use strong arm tactics when dealing with these products.. I've seen it. They were all over Bob Barefoot when he first brought his coral calcium supplement to market.. used that "what you can say about it" clause constantly to inhibit or flat out prevent saying what the stuff even does. Same goes for many of the makers of the recent acai berry extracts. The FDA can't officially ban any publication, but they do "educate" certain outlets for that material about their wishes to not see it in print, along with a nudge and a wink, or sometimes a threat. It's not so much that these natural products are/were making any extraordinary claims about what they do, although granted a lot of them do that to ride the hype sales. Id wager it's because the FDA doesn't want this segment to grow to the point of the drug companies losing big market share to it.. after all, without them they'de just be the FA and a lot poorer.

Dana and Mellita, I had the Varicella vaccine as an adult before moving to Ireland. My blood titers showed I had never had chickenpox and I *really* didn't want to catch it. I knew it was still very common here.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/varicella/downloads/pg_why_vacc_varicella.pdf

"Each year, about 1% of people who have gotten varicella vaccine develop chickenpox in spite of having responded to the vaccine. This is called “breakthrough” infection. Breakthrough
infections are much milder than normal chickenpox. Patients generally have fewer than 50 lesions, which do not form blisters. They also do not get a fever and have no complications. We don’t know why breakthrough infections occur."

Been exposed, exposed, exposed to it and still haven't had it. Considering the risk of adult encephalitis with adult cases, and the complete protection or reduction of symptoms, it was worth it to me. From a quick overview, while exemptions are accepted, it looks like all but a tiny hadful of US states require the vaccine for school admission or physician documented proof of disease.

This has been touched on repeatedly, so you will need to do your own research about other potential causes besides JUST aluminum. My money is on combined causes, not one single precipitating event.

Debra, you seem to like grass roots research so here is some of mine. 2 kids I went to school with in the 70's and 80's in mainstream classes were undiagnosed. Eventually, one shook out with Asperger's, and the other was high functioning autistic, which they finally realized in SIXTH GRADE at the age of what 12?! So, that would have been in your era of 1 in 20,000 or 1 in 10,000 having autism. What were the odds then, of 1 in 30, twice?

I have done my own research. What I want is for the people here that do not believe it is from vaccinations to show how the figure got down to 1 in 166, which I believe is now even less.

Another question also needs to be asked, why on earth do children need all these vaccines when they didn't need them in the past. And since when does the state mandate that they must have them. Doesn't anybody here realise that children getting sick builds their immune system and helps it develop so that it is better at fighting infections that the immune system has not up until that point come against. About 10 years ago there was a big thing about the number of children getting asthma. It was said to be because of the increase in pollution from cars by the so called self appointed experts. Then research was done and it was found that it was also happening in parts of the world where there was no pollution of that type. It turned out that it was because the children were being kept too clean by their parents and not allowed to play in the dirt. The immune system was not being built up.

The healthiest kids I see are those where the parents refuse to vaccinate them.