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Milla Janick
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10-30-2009 15:05
From: Debra Himmel
the FDA won't allow the makers of the product to publish their research.

No, what the FDA does not allow is for people to make unsubstantiated health claims about products.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/silver/
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10-30-2009 16:31
From: Debra Himmel
In reply to the whole of post No. 68 and the rubbish presented in it:

Lmao.. Rubbish? Excuse me miss crackpot conspiracy theorist.. take a look at what was written in my post and then take a look at what you replied with.. seriously.
I mentioned ONE SINGLE LINE concerning the flu shot, which was this "The benefit to having the shot for this particular variant is that it gives you the antibodies to it". That happens to be proven fact, yes.. even in your natural cure books it says that. Not a single bit of what you replied with even addresses what I posted in any way. Go play your diversionary tangent game on someone else, because I for one am NOT at all interested in your deluded histories, skewed facts, and biased websites. I prefer proven fact from medical sources not out to win a following. Thank you for your attempt.
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10-30-2009 16:45
From: Veritable Quandry

this reminds me of going out to the Omis yesterday..had to get my saddle repaired..
that looks like the father of the man that fixed my saddle :D
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10-30-2009 18:49
From: Brenda Connolly
Either that or she needs to just shut down the frigging computer and go outside and talk to real people more often.Get some sun..I hear it's full of Vitamin D.

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Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 04:25
From: Katheryne Helendale
Meh... I would, but my lizard overlords have advised me against it. :p


Well you had your chance. This is all I expect from idiots like you that have no knowledge at all. All you do in the threads is bait. You are going on my ignore list as well.
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10-31-2009 04:36
It's the secret of RA's success: once every poster has put every other poster on ignore, threads become a lot easier to moderate.
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Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 04:43


What really happened is that she decided to stop believing the crap she was taught after her child was affected by the vaccines and study what caused it. She discovered that aluminum in the vaccines caused autism and developed a treatment that can reverse the damage naturally. Gary Null is another that has treated over 60,000 people free of charge which also includes reversing autism. The medical establishment and the drug companies DO NOT LIKE IT, which is why she lost the license. Any doctor that has the nerve to say they can cure will lose their license or go to jail. They don't want you cured because you won't generate an income for them.
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 04:51
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Oh dear . . .

Yeah, sorry, Debra. I know for a fact that "quack" had currency in the Renaissance and 17th century. I'd be happy to cite you some texts if you'd like.

Are all of your "facts" this well attested?


Go ahead, do it. Don't just sit there in front of your screen, DO IT.
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10-31-2009 04:54
From: Qie Niangao
It's the secret of RA's success: once every poster has put every other poster on ignore, threads become a lot easier to moderate.

That....and once Debra puts everyone on ignore, she'll have no one to rant to anymore. :rolleyes:
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Of course, its all just another conspiracy, and I'm a conspiracy nut.

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10-31-2009 04:54
From: Veritable Quandry
And here I was thinking trench warfare, poor sanitation, and massive movements of people carrying exotic strains of disease around the world were factors. Silly me. It was immunizations for a strain of flu that was not the same one as the epidemic.

You don't know me. You don't know what I do or do not know. You keep posting links to unproven assertions, pseudoscience, and wishful thinking that is in direct opposition to the actual, peer-reviewed research on the subject.

I hesitate to participate in flame wars, but I must agree. This evil kills people.


Then post some evidence yourself. Don't just write I am wrong, PROVE IT.
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 04:59
From: Isablan Neva
Show me the documentation. The FDA does not control publishing of studies, entries to journals are peer reviewed and ultimately published by the journal editor. There are medical journals published all over the world, far beyond the reach of the FDA. If there was one ounce of scientific proof, it would be out there.

Show me the documentation.


The peer review were done in India where they also had to go to get the process to create the gel. All the documentation of research done in Africa as far as I know can not be published because of the FDA restricting it. Why not contact the company and ask for the research. I guarantee you they would be more than happy to give it to you. Then come back and tell me again that the FDA doesn't control what is published. Tell all those that they have imprisoned for ignoring them.
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 05:02
From: LittleMe Jewell
The best you can come up with to support this is a web site that seems to have a primary purpose of selling seminars and products related to their views?

This is a better website to refer folks to: http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

You really need to learn how to debate things in an adult and logical manner.


Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism, aluminum does.
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10-31-2009 05:06
From: Debra Himmel
What really happened is that she went batshit crazy when her child was diagnosed with autism. She knows that the vaccines don't cause autism but can't cope with that fact. Gary Null is another looneytunes who sells snake oil to gullible people. The medical establishment realised she was mentally ill which is why she lost the license. Any doctor that says they can cure you will probablu do just that. They want you cured because that is why they practise medicine in the first place.



You see, Debbo, old stick, how easy it is to tell the truth simply and clearly? Your pal Dr Bonkers might one day get better, and so might you, but you'll have to give up this lunatic drama mongering first. Ok, it seems exciting, pretending there are huge conspiracies going on, and you are enjoying playing at being the 'one who knows the truth' but that is just childish. And really, you have been frightfully rude to a lot of perfectly nice, sane people here.

The saddest part is that you might have persuaded otherwise responsible parents not to have their children vaccinated. That would be a dreadful thing, and of course a great tragedy for the children. Possibly when you are well again you will realise how silly and gullible you have been. I really do hope you are not and never become a parent in rl. Your attitudes are nothing less than child abuse.

This might seem extreme, but I am a mother of two, and my children had every vaccination appropriate, which is to say, MMR, against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles), Polio, DPT against diptheria, pertusis (whooping cough), and tetanus, Hib and my daughter is 2/3 through the course against HPV, which protects against the virus which can cause cancer of the cervix. As a survivor of that disease I am particularly grateful for the vaccination for my daughter. Neither of my children has had any illnesses bar very occasional colds, and both had chicken pox when they were around 4 and 5. My daughter's case was complicated by a bacterial infection, but antibiotics soon put paid to that! There will soon be a vaccination against chicken pox, thank heaven, as it can be a very distressing illness. Both my children are now studying A levels and will go on to university. Vaccinations have done them nothing but good.

So you see, when you come to this forum spouting your idiotic nonsense, and citing doctors who have been thrown out for being mad as snakes, and quoting a man who believes in any conspiracy going upto and including 'the queen is a reptilian alien'!! some of us, who actually KNOW something about all this will respond, and that quite strenuously.

Your posts are pernicious, evil nonsense.
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Melanya Altney
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10-31-2009 05:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra Himmel
What really happened is that she went batshit crazy when her child was diagnosed with autism. She knows that the vaccines don't cause autism but can't cope with that fact. Gary Null is another looneytunes who sells snake oil to gullible people. The medical establishment realised she was mentally ill which is why she lost the license. Any doctor that says they can cure you will probablu do just that. They want you cured because that is why they practise medicine in the first place.

From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
You see, Debbo, old stick, how easy it is to tell the truth simply and clearly? Your pal Dr Bonkers might one day get better, and so might you, but you'll have to give up this lunatic drama mongering first. Ok, it seems exciting, pretending there are huge conspiracies going on, and you are enjoying playing at being the 'one who knows the truth' but that is just childish. And really, you have been frightfully rude to a lot of perfectly nice, sane people here.

The saddest part is that you might have persuaded otherwise responsible parents not to have their children vaccinated. That would be a dreadful thing, and of course a great tragedy for the children. Possibly when you are well again you will realise how silly and gullible you have been. I really do hope you are not and never become a parent in rl. Your attitudes are nothing less than child abuse.

This might seem extreme, but I am a mother of two, and my children had every vaccination appropriate, which is to say, MMR, against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles), Polio, DPT against diptheria, pertusis (whooping cough), and tetanus, Hib and my daughter is 2/3 through the course against HPV, which protects against the virus which can cause cancer of the cervix. As a survivor of that disease I am particularly grateful for the vaccination for my daughter. Neither of my children has had any illnesses bar very occasional colds, and both had chicken pox when they were around 4 and 5. My daughter's case was complicated by a bacterial infection, but antibiotics soon put paid to that! There will soon be a vaccination against chicken pox, thank heaven, as it can be a very distressing illness. Both my children are now studying A levels and will go on to university. Vaccinations have done them nothing but good.

So you see, when you come to this forum spouting your idiotic nonsense, and citing doctors who have been thrown out for being mad as snakes, and quoting a man who believes in any conspiracy going upto and including 'the queen is a reptilian alien'!! some of us, who actually KNOW something about all this will respond, and that quite strenuously.

Your posts are pernicious, evil nonsense.


I couldn't agree more
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 05:23
Below is a list of post numbers where information can be found on the subjects below that I have posted for everyone:

Vitamin D3: Post No. 64

Selenium: Post No. 65

Colloidal Silver: Posts No. 69, 78, 88, 133

Super Silver: Post No. 134

Evidence that vaccines do not work and contain poison: Posts No. 102, 105, 127, 164

If anyone doesn't like it either post evidence yourself that vaccines do work and are not bad for your health from a source other than the drug companies, or go to hell.
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 05:25
From: Melanya Altney
Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra Himmel
What really happened is that she went batshit crazy when her child was diagnosed with autism. She knows that the vaccines don't cause autism but can't cope with that fact. Gary Null is another looneytunes who sells snake oil to gullible people. The medical establishment realised she was mentally ill which is why she lost the license. Any doctor that says they can cure you will probablu do just that. They want you cured because that is why they practise medicine in the first place.



I couldn't agree more


Prove it. DO IT. I also see you've only done one post. Is the watch changing. Time for bed for the others maybe? Your shift now. Did you only start today or have you been working this for years and its a new assignment?
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10-31-2009 05:38
From: Debra Himmel
Prove it. DO IT. I also see you've only done one post. Is the watch changing. Time for bed for the others maybe? Your shift now. Did you only start today or have you been working this for years and its a new assignment?


I don't need to prove it - she's had her licence suspended, so she at least is not a current danger except to the morons who read her website. The proof that vaccinations work is all around. I'd prefer to trust the Pasteur Institute than you, because you're obviously a fool with no proper medical training or knowledge.

Yes, that was my first post, but there will be more! I don't do assignments - do you see another conspiracy here? LMAO

Getting all sulky and stamping your feet to the beat of 'prove it then, PROVE IT!' shows your immaturity. Anyone may make all kinds of ridiculous claims that cannot easily be refuted on a message board, but are clearly seen to be crap. I cannot, right here, produce cast iron evidence that the Queen of England is not a lizard. But she's not. We - the sane people - know that. You clearly need your delusions, but you are mad and bad to spread lies. You are a bad person, Debra. You are sick, Debra. You should stop.
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10-31-2009 05:48
From: Debra Himmel
Go ahead, do it. Don't just sit there in front of your screen, DO IT.


Scylla's probably crashed out:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-qua1.htm

I would like to know the origin of the word quack, as in the fake doctor.

[A] It’s an abbreviation of an old Dutch word that in the modern language is spelled kwakzalver. It comes from quack, an early modern Dutch word meaning a person who chatters or prattles (probably connected to the English word for the noise a duck makes), and salf, essentially the same word as our salve. So a quacksalver was somebody who boasted about the virtues of his remedies, so it later became attached to a person who claimed to have miraculous medications. The longer form was common in the sixteenth century, but it was abbreviated later. The similarity of the full-length word to quicksilver, or mercury, and the once common use of that element in medicine (especially to treat diseases such as syphilis), ***falsely suggests a link with the name. But there’s no connection.***

Michael Quinion's credentials are good enough for me.
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10-31-2009 05:53
From: Debra Himmel
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If anyone doesn't like it either post evidence yourself that vaccines do work and are not bad for your health from a source other than the drug companies, or go to hell.


Your viewpoints are somewhat extreme and fringe, to put it mildly. I wonder if you have some sort of imbalance or overload of god knows what in your system, if you are tinkering around with these so called 'proven remedies'?

You can tizzy out and tell me to go to hell but it will not effect me in the least.



I've had every vaccine recommended, double the final MMR as I had to redo it at university due to a records error, my tet booster last year, even the chickie pox vaccine. I eat tinfoil hats for breakfast. I wonder why I don't have autism?
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10-31-2009 06:05
From: Laurin Sorbet
I've had every vaccine recommended, double the final MMR as I had to redo it at university due to a records error, my tet booster last year, even the chickie pox vaccine. I eat tinfoil hats for breakfast. I wonder why I don't have autism?


PROVE THAT YOU HAVE
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10-31-2009 06:14
From: Debra Himmel
PROVE THAT YOU HAVE


Aren't you the chick that won't give LL any PIO? And you want me to post my medical records here for you? You're a funny lady. You'd say they were made up anyhow, no?

Prove that I have. Jaysus, Mary and Joseph. I have indeed and have had none of the illness, with blood titers in adulthood to back that up.



(and no, that is NOT a lizard)
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10-31-2009 06:21
From: Debra Himmel
PROVE THAT YOU HAVE
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who first got us started on all this because she's either unwilling or unable to prove to LL that she's over 18 for fear, she says, the NSA would get hold of her details (anyone wondering what this is all about, see /327/e6/343495/1.html#post2583809 and following).
Laurin Sorbet
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10-31-2009 06:29
From: Innula Zenovka
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who first got us started on all this because she's either unwilling or unable to prove to LL that she's over 18 for fear, she says, the NSA would get hold of her details (anyone wondering what this is all about, see /327/e6/343495/1.html#post2583809/327/e6/343495/1.html#post2583809 and following).


It also shows the depths of the paranoia. I mean, it is sooooo unusual to have had all the recommended vaccines and subsequent boosters? WTF? I don't think we even had a choice in either state I lived in if we wanted to be educated. And as far as the boosters and extras, I chose to have them.

Maybe the double MMR is very unusual, but it is equally factual and was caused by a clerical error. As are the last 2 tet boosters which I remember quite clearly.

ZOMG, I even have had a few seasonal flu vaccines. Still no autism though :rolleyes:
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10-31-2009 06:30
From: Laurin Sorbet
Scylla's probably crashed out:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-qua1.htm

I would like to know the origin of the word quack, as in the fake doctor.

[A] It’s an abbreviation of an old Dutch word that in the modern language is spelled kwakzalver. It comes from quack, an early modern Dutch word meaning a person who chatters or prattles (probably connected to the English word for the noise a duck makes), and salf, essentially the same word as our salve. So a quacksalver was somebody who boasted about the virtues of his remedies, so it later became attached to a person who claimed to have miraculous medications. The longer form was common in the sixteenth century, but it was abbreviated later. The similarity of the full-length word to quicksilver, or mercury, and the once common use of that element in medicine (especially to treat diseases such as syphilis), ***falsely suggests a link with the name. But there’s no connection.***

Michael Quinion's credentials are good enough for me.


His credentials may be ok for you, but not for me.

Dutch is a dialect of German. The German for 'Mercury' is 'Quecksilber'. As Dutch is not normally used in English literature but German and French is, it is much more likely that the German word was the source and that 'Queck' turned to 'Quack' in the English language. Amazing how something so obvious gets missed.
Debra Himmel
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10-31-2009 06:32
From: Innula Zenovka
That's a bit rich, coming from someone who first got us started on all this because she's either unwilling or unable to prove to LL that she's over 18 for fear, she says, the NSA would get hold of her details (anyone wondering what this is all about, see /327/e6/343495/1.html#post2583809/327/e6/343495/1.html#post2583809 and following).


Good bye Innula. Another one for the ignore list.
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