Thank You SL

I would like to thank SL for destroying my experience on SL. Now that I have to be validated I can no longer go to most of the places I used to. I'm never going to validate. I will be gone before I ever do that. Its none of your business. Report that back to your buddies at the NSA.

You are too easily deterred, grasshopper.

Just a old driver's license number or 4 digits of a Social Security number and your free to roam again. It is not as intrusive as you might think.

Look in my Picks and go to my Adult Verification Hub in the PG sim of Nepessing. The 9 steps to Adult verification are available there for you to try out.

Debra, the Lindens have been very unclear about their Adult policies, so let me check one thing with you: were you aware that you can "validate" your SL account just by using payment info, either on SL or Xstreet? That is to say, you will immediately be able to access Adult areas if you buy anything on Xstreet using a "verified Paypal account" (that is, a Paypal account that has been tied to a bank account, even if that bank account has a tiny amount of money in it), or if you buy Lindens on the Lindex using a credit card or one of those same "verified Paypal account"s.

Yes, it's very simple and not intrusive at all, I don't think. After buying a few linden tick the "Adult" box in Prefs and Bob's your uncle.

Just buy some Linden dollars and you're all set.

I'm sure your cartoon sex adventures are a top priority with them.

LOL, Milla!

Not true,i have payment info on file and i use paypal but i am not age verified,i tried to teleport to an adult flagged sim yesterday and was not allowed there because i was not age verified.\My partner could go there because she is age verified,and yes i do have the three options checked in preferences

This is because Linden Lab refuse to merge the validation process. Linden Lab are slow, extremely slow, to accept they're wrong with their decisions. They are child like and stubborn and would rather create problems for people than work for sensible solutions.

This is not new, they consistently do this in many areas.

I thought i would try after i wrote the above post to make sure i still can't get access to the adult island i mentioned,welllllllll it made a liar out of me today,i got there with no problem,

*smiles* excellent!

There is one MORE confusing thing that could stop folks who have verified with payment as I state above: LL has left in place the ability to set a PARCEL so that only people who have actually done the age verification process can get in (the process that makes you enter identification info). A few parcels, but not many, on the grid still have this flag set.

Anyone can open a paypal account and buy Lindens. That is no way to prove you are at least 18 years old.

Yes, there's a few of these parcels around, both on adult and mature land. It's a leftover from when they introduced age verification. Here's the jira, if it gets on your nerves as much as it gets on mine ...

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4489

Luckily, it is only a few parcels - PIOF will give you access to almost everywhere.

This is really confusing, but there are two alternative ways to become Adult verified -- that is, to be able to access content on sims flagged as Adult Content (e.g. anywhere on Zindra). First is to go through the age verification process with Aristotle and social security/passport/whatever number. Second, alternative, method is to be payment info on file/payment info used -- LL have got your credit card/PayPal details/you've bought L$ on xstreet or Lindex.

Now, separate from this is the fact that landowners can -- if they want to -- flag any parcel/sim as being restricted to people who've either got payment info on file/used or who have been through the age verification process. This has nothing to do with with the maturity rating of the sim -- TRU's sim has been restricted, for example, to Payment Info on File for ages, and that's PG, I think. So anyone who can go to TRU can go to -- for example -- any of my Adult sims because they're flagged as Adult (your payment details will take confirm your adult status) but someone who's able to visit me because she's Adult verified via Aristotle can't necessarily go to TRU. In fact, she certainly can't if she's not PIOF.

Similarly, someone with an Adult Sim can further restrict access by saying that people have to be PIOF, so while Linden Labs would be OK with them going there if they've sent their details to Aristotle, the landowner's still stopping them. That's nothing to do with the Adult status of the sim.

A lot of landowners didn't realise this and got very confused and started playing round with the access settings, not realising that they didn't need to. I bet that's what's happened with the sim you're trying to visit.

It's easy enough to check. Try to TP to the Arapaima welcome area at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Arapaima/128/128/2 If you can get there, you're Adult verified and any problems you have accessing other Adult places are down to the landowner.

Neither is telling Aristotle you're the late Elvis Presley, which I am assured works.

If you have payment info. on file, you are age verified. If you cannot get into a sim due to age verification, contact the sim owner if you can, and tell them to turn off the age verification for the sim, or they are cutting their traffic big time.

Innula - I hear they have put in a filter to stop the Elvis info. Don't know if that's true or not.

SL decided to delete my age verification. Silly peeps. Once was enough.

No, you are ADULT/ACCOUNT verified. It is the constant usage of incorrect terminology that is causing so much confusion.

You must be 'adult/account verified' to get to any Adult sim regardless of any other settings -- this is accomplished by supplying payment info and/or going thru the Aristotle age verification process.

Parcels can also restrict entry to those with payment info, those that have been age verified, or both. Providing payment info will allow Adult access but still keep you out of places specifically requiring Age Verification. Being Age Verfified will allow Adult access but does not give access to parcels requiring payment info.

LL really does need to merge these things because they are causing a mess on the grid.

The number of ppl who have said they wont verify because they dont want to or they dont do naughty things in SL have a solution. Why not start a club on PG land and the number who are not verified may hang out there if they all call their friends into it

It is such a shame watching how you all just roll over on your back and submit to this invasion of privacy. I will NOT submit.

Why is it that Americans have such a problem with dealing with the fact that only Americans still believe they live in the land of the free. I will not comply with unconstitutional laws passed in the US when I don't even live there. The age verification came about because of that and its all because they want to control you people. If they cared about children they would do something about all the child molesters working for social services that steal the children from their parents and place them under the control of the out of control family courts.

All I want to do is go dancing in a club I like, listen to the music stream they have while chatting with someone I know for an hour.

You have to be 18 to use Paypal.

Hi Debra,

I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view, but a discussion about the erosion of civil liberties in society is probably a bit outside the scope of this thread..

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

and all that..

In my view however we do have to keep a little perspective.

SL isn't the free world, it's an online environment provided by a business in order to generate revenue. Within reason they can manage that environment how they see fit.

It's not very constructive, but I'll say it anyway, you're one freedom in this context is to take your business elsewhere.

Spend a couple dollars to buy some L$ and put them in the tip jar for that club you spend your time in.

To get into adult regions you don't have to give Linden Lab any more information than you do when you buy anything online. This is no invasion of privacy.

If you have to be age verified to get into that club, take it up with the club owner, it was their decision to require it, not Linden Lab's.

The club wouldn't be there if some people weren't prepared to pay Linden Lab money, and to do this they have to provide Linden Lab with some RL details so let's get a bit of perspective here.