Thank You SL

and with that as the criteria, 80% of this forum would be erased.

If we take RA into account we can up that a few points.

"We're...Off to see the Lizard...."

"... the wonderful Lizard of Id."

ITA on the above. (I'll never understand it, though. There isn't any reason to demean people this way. It speaks poorly of those participating.)

I'm posting this anyway, in the spirit you just mentioned. As the Bible says, "Let those who have an ear to hear, hear."

From the newsletter archive of one Dr. Arturo Volpe. I do not agree with everything he says i.e. as a course of treatment I would try. But he is an M.D. who integrates other treatments where they seem appropriate, and he constantly seeks to solve things that baffle medicos currently. Things like chronic fatigue syndrome. Even if you do not believe in someone's own take on things, if they mention studies, you can check *those* out and become informed that way.

Below this line, are quotes from his writing. Please note that you should consult your own physician, no one can diagnose you online, this is for reading only, & yada, yada.

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Dr. Martin is originally from Australia where he earned not only a medical degree but also a doctorate in immunology. After moving to the United States he enjoyed a successful career that included prestigious appointments as an immunology expert at both the Food & Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control.

In the 1990's Dr. Martin began to report that he was finding a stealth virus in people with complex neurological disorders and that his research suggested this virus could be traced back to another virus called SCMV previously found to contaminate human vaccines. He was trying to get the FDA and other well-funded organizations to confirm his research. Instead, he became the target of intense criticism and was gradually stripped of his appointments and other positions.

But what seems most shocking is the very idea that viruses were found to contaminate human vaccines. In fact, as early as in 1960 it was found that polio vaccines were contaminated with a monkey virus named SV-40. This discovery did not lead to a recall of tainted batches, but the vaccine manufacturers quietly switched to culturing vaccine viruses in kidney cells from a different type of monkey called the African Green Monkey ñ a practice that continued until 2000.

In 1972 a joint FDA/industry study revealed a new monkey virus in polio vaccines, this one named SCMV (Simian Cytomegalovirus), but this finding was not shared with the public at the time and did not lead to any change in vaccine manufacturing practices. This is the virus Dr. Martin believes mutated and turned into the stealth virus he discovered in his research.


In terms of the spread of this condition, out of several hundred children with autism he tested he found that all presented evidence of this virus. Findings were less consistent in children with ADHD and behavioral disorders, but a majority of these also presented the same evidence.

Among adults, he found the virus was almost always present in people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and fibromyalgia, as well many neurological and immune disorders. His research also revealed this virus in every patient he tested with Lyme disease. This led him to theorize that Lyme is viral in nature and not bacterial as commonly believed, although bacteria may play a secondary role. He also found evidence of this virus in some cancer patients. Many of these often presented with a personal or family history of chronic fatigue or other neurological condition.

Dr. Martin compiled an extensive list of signs and symptoms he found to be indicative of infection with the stealth virus. Although the entire list is too lengthy to report here, it includes sudden and unexpected changes in smell, taste, vision, or personality; impaired sleep cycles; loss of balance, and more. For example, fatigue is not by itself indicative of infection, but if the fatigue is associated with loss of sleep, alterations in the sense of smell or taste, memory loss and so on, the case for a viral cause begins to emerge.

When it came to looking for a solution, Dr. Martin established a treatment strategy that included three major areas of intervention:

Suppressing viral activation and replication
Supporting metabolism at a cellular level, with a particular focus on methylation and detoxification
Remedying other associated disorders
Initially he searched among medications (including antibiotics and antiviral agents) for answers, but did not find any consistent solutions. He later turned his attention to alternative medicine and identified a wide range of herbal and nutritional supplements he felt showed promise and had little or no toxicity.

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Parents continue to hear that they should vaccinate their children against the flu, and that they should do so especially if their children have asthma. However, an overlooked detail is that the effectiveness of flu shots in children with asthma has never been proven through research. A newly released study that for the first time evaluates the effectiveness of flu shots in children with asthma reaches very different conclusions. The study analyzed data from the past eight consecutive years and looked at the rate of hospitalization for respiratory complications from the flu among children who were or were not vaccinated and those who had and did not have asthma.

What the study found is nothing short of amazing. Among non-asthmatic children, being vaccinated led to a slightly higher - you read correctly, I didn’t mean lower - rate of hospitalization for complications from the flu. However, among asthmatic children the rate of hospitalization was three times higher for vaccinated children. In other words children were three times more likely to be hospitalized for respiratory complications of the flu if parents followed medical advice and had them vaccinated.

This study is also interesting because in the past few weeks I have been hearing reports of vaccinated children coming down with severe respiratory complications and parents being told their children have swine flu. However, the children are not being tested for swine flu and, considering this study, it would seem that the problem might not be swine flu at all; it might well be the vaccine they received. You can read about the study at http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172045.htm.

So if the vaccine doesn’t help, you might wonder what does. I already covered this topic in my last newsletter, but since then a new study provides more confirmation for one of my recommendations. That study can be found here:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Gastroenterology/InflammatoryBowelDisease/16472

Though it was a mouse study its conclusions are very likely applicable to humans as well. It found that probiotic bacteria stimulate proliferation of certain types of immune cells that increase resistance to disease. In this study mice were either given probiotic bacteria or nothing and were then exposed to various disease agents. The mice that had been given the probiotic either did not become ill at all or had milder forms of the illnesses. Many times the best course of action is not to vaccinate against every possible disease but to strengthen the body’s immune defenses.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIdpMUunHE

In summary, researchers from the University of Utah and Columbia University recently discovered a new human retrovirus they named XMRV (xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus). This virus was originally discovered in cancerous prostate tissue. Later it was found that more than 95% of people suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME (CFS/ME) had it, and more recently it has been identified in children with autism although the extent of spread in this population remains to be determined.

Only two other human retroviruses have ever been discovered: one causes a form of leukemia and the other HIV/AIDS. Researchers tried to establish whether this new virus could possibly be the cause of CFS/ME. Although they were not able to prove this conclusively, their data strongly suggests that the virus is involved in causing this condition.

The role that the virus plays in prostate cancer has not been established yet, though it is possible that it may cause some of the cases. Likewise, it is not known at this time whether it might be a partial cause of autism, or cause some of the cases. It is interesting, however, that many of us observed for years that nutritional and other biochemical tests performed on autistic children yield results that are very similar to those seen in patients with CFS/ME. Of even greater interest to me is the fact that this virus was also identified in perfectly healthy individuals. To clarify this point the researchers state in their interview that the virus can also be present in inactive form and cause no adverse effects on health.

The researchers go one step further and actually identify factors that cause XMRV to be activated. These are: stress that produces high levels of the stress hormone cortisol, the presence of inflammation in the body, and hormonal imbalance. They even theorize that vaccines can be responsible for activating the virus by inducing a massive immune response.

If you are dealing with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or have a child with autism you could decide to simply wait for a new set of anti-retroviral drugs to be developed, though these may be years in the making, may turn out to be ineffective or toxic, and end up causing problems of their own. Or, you might take the cue from these researchers and take action through diet and natural treatments aimed at balancing immunity, fighting inflammation, and normalizing hormone levels. In addition, in light of this research, it may be especially important to implement one of many natural antiviral protocols. In fact, there is nothing new here. These are the very approaches many of us have been implementing for years with many successful outcomes.

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between the === lines was by Dr. Arturo Volpe.

Oh! Oh! Ignore me too Debra!

I think you're crazy, ape, barmy, bats in the belfry, batty, berserk, bonkers, cracked, crazed, cuckoo, daft, delirious, demented, deranged, dingy, dippy, erratic, flaky, flipped, flipped out, freaked out, fruity, idiotic, insane, kooky, lunatic, mad, mad as a March hare, mad as a hatter, maniacal, mental, moonstruck, nuts, nutty, nutty as fruitcake, of unsound mind, out of one's mind, out of one's tree, out to lunch, potty, psycho, round the bend, schizo, screw loose, screwball, screwy, silly, touched, unbalanced, unglued, unhinged, unzipped, and wacky too!

Wow! And alphabetized too!!!

I'm very impressed!

No, he is not. He is a CD (a chiropractor), although his practice appears to center on his nutritionist training. The Dr. Martin he quotes was stripped of his license and is another anti-vaccine nut who believes in a natural vitamins as a treatment for...wait for it...EVERYTHING! Dr. Martin also links HIV/AIDS and Ebola to secret CIA projects. And the studies mentioned do not support his conclusions, except in that every new discovery supports his claim that a single "stealth" virus causes autism, Alzheimer's, most cancers, ennui, and just about every other medical condition. Dr Volpe also quotes the therapeutic techniques of L. Ron Hubbard in his newsletter.

you forgot fruitloop

http://www.maniacworld.com/lizards-in-love.jpg

I'm disappointed that nobody seemed to recognise the cartoon strip - The Wizard of Id (by the creator of the B.C. cartoon strip - and better than B.C., imo). Or maybe nobody wants to admit to having a memory that goes that far back

Interesting read. I don't really buy much of it, but it was interesting nonetheless. I do not believe, as many seem to, that illnesses attributed to immunizations have a singular cause. I *do* believe vaccines play a part, but it is only in the presence of a variety of other factors that vaccines become a problem.

Your quote mentioned something else that got me to thinking. When he mentioned probiotics, I started thinking about how we eat, *what* we eat, and how we generally take care of ourselves. To put it bluntly, we as a society basically eat shit, treat ourselves like crap, and live like there won't be a tomorrow. I don't think there's very many of us here in modern society that still have a healthy immune system anymore, and THAT could be another factor in why vaccinations are implicated in causing further problems. Vaccinations are intended to help *healthy* immune systems; but if the immune system is already overtaxed from the constant state of physiological and mental stress modern society places us in, then it is probably going to cause problems. The drug companies are in the position they're in because everybody wants a better pill. Everybody wants that magic cure-all that allows them to continue burning their candle at both ends unimpeded by the frantic calls of nature telling them to "slow the fuck down!"

I don't believe vaccinations are to blame. I believe the blame for all of these mysterious new illnesses and complications arising from modern medicine rests entirely on our lifestyle.

True, diagnosed autism has sharply increased over the last couple of decades. The rate of childhood vaccination has also increased slightly over the same period. But, so have other medical conditions and procedures. The number of prescription drugs has also exponentially increased during this period. There have been an increase in stressors over this period as well: The rising divorce rates, the decline of the traditional nuclear family; earlier onset of puberty in kids; a rise in teenage pregnancies; the increase in the number of cars on the road, and the increase in the amount of time one spends in rush-hour traffic, breathing in all the car exhaust. The proliferation of electromagnetic radiation has *sharply* increased over this period which started at a time when most of us received 3-5 TV channels and a handful of radio stations over the air, to where we are now with dozens of TV and radio channels, more base-to-base radio transmissions, satellite TV, satellite radio, cell phones, Wi-Fi; surrounding ourselves with high-speed electronics like walkmen, MP3 players, laptops, netbooks, Blackberries.... Any single one of these could be singled out as a likely culprit; but it would be no more or less correct than singling out vaccines as the culprit, which is where Debra is running into trouble.

I plead blissful ignorance.

You forgot over the rainbow (as delightfully provided by Pink Floyd's The Wall)

Having not read that comment until after you mentioned that nobody recognized the reference, I'm chiming in too late probably, but I caught the reference immediately, and I wonder what ever happened to that strip.

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It is still going strong 45 years later:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Id

The creators probably retired (Johnny Hart had a co-creator for that one). I never saw it in a newspapers but I did buy every book of them that I could. I have about a dozen books, which I recently went through again.

I didn't see your post until after I'd posted mine. It's not only still going, but it's going strong - in 1,000 newspapers!

I validated. It is really a very easy process and non-invasive.

Yep, it's only as painful as you want to make it. It's not like they ask for a DNA sample.. though some might think that's easy to provide!

Courtesy of thesaurus.com

I sent them some anyway.

Original question has been answered.

Thread has been reported for profanity, remember the forums here are supposed to be Safe for Work (PG).

Also the topic has strayed from the original post. I don't see how Linden Lab's adult verification (original post topic) relates to the viral topic of autism by way of vaccination.

Thread closed.