Thank You SL

Yowza! Rhonda, was that you?

You doing anything later tonight?

(Call me)

Let me educate you a little about contracts.

A contract is an agreement enforceable in a court of law. It may be express or implied. It may be written or oral, and all that is required is an agreement, not a signature or any other formality: in most contracts relating to software, accepting a service implies acceptance of that contract, although if the terms are onerous, misleading or unclear courts may invalidate the contract. It may be modified by one or both parties if the specific terms of the contract allow for that modification. It can be pretty much any agreement that any number of parties wish to agree to, so long as it does not violate the law. That being said, it is possible that a contract agreed to by all parties may be declared invalid for any number of reasons by a court of proper authority, but to get relief you must go to court. Contracts are not creations of law: they are agreements between individuals (and in many countries, the US included, corporations are legally individuals capable of entering into contracts).

At least in English-speaking countries "statutes" are black-letter law. They are the enactments of a legislative body, as opposed to law that is created by binding regulation by an agency with rule-making authority (which must be specifically empowered by statute) or case law, which in common-law countries is the set of binding precedents created by judicial interpretations of statutes, regulations, and foundational documents (which we Americans call The Constitution...there are different types of foundational documents in other jurisdictions). In the US, the only law superior to statue is Constitutional law: that is, statutes may invalidate regulations and they may attempt to overturn judicial decisions (except for those on constitutional grounds), but statutes may not change The Constitution. Statutes apply whether or not you agree to or with them, no consent is required. If you feel that a statute is invalid on constitutional grounds, you may challenge it in court. Otherwise your only recourse is to work to have the statute you object to repealed or modified by another statute or (in some states) by ballot initiative.

In the United States, "commercial law" can be any type of law. The Commerce Clause of the US Constitution sets a constitutional basis for commercial law, but there are laws, rules, regulations, and decisions that all deal with commercial matters. There may be sections of the Federal code and various state codes that are specifically label as commercial law, but all laws apply to commerce, just as they apply to any other interaction. There is no "commercial law" that is a prerequisite to creating jurisdiction for statutory law.

So by joining SL, you both agreed to their terms, and to Linden Labs changing those terms:



You may or may not have read them, you may not like them, but you agreed to these terms upon using the Second Life service, and you are bound by these terms, including any alterations made at Linden Labs' sole discretion, as long as you continue to access their service. Don't like it? Linden Labs is located in the state of California. File a lawsuit.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled necroposting...

My point was that calling someone names for THEIR opinions is hardly necessary and it renders her post ironic at best. Hypocritical at worst, except the ones she's jabbing at, at least didn't insult people just for their point of view, that I saw. So I guess she can't even claim that much.

I didn't read all Debra's posts, but Francoise's post was a story from her own life. What is crazy about relating that? She followed it up with some references.

Weighed against that, Pixie's insult-laden post doesn't stack up very well.

Debra and her pal Francoise are happy to insult almost all the posters to these forums, telling them they are all stupid, claiming an array of ludicrous conspiracy theories, claiming special knowledge of all manner of evil doers, when the truth is that they are both deluded at best, mentally ill at worst.




Well then your comments are not worth much, are they? If you haven't read what Debra has said, you cannot really call me on my replies.




Oh, it wasn't half of what I would like to say to a pair of utter twats who have clearly been paddling around in the shallow end of the gene pool a sight too long! So long as they peddle their claptrap, I shall feel free to pop back and ridicule it. It keeps a balance, I think.

Are you serious? From the very start the OP was bitter, angry and confrontational. In the beginning,she was offered the various ways she could solve her problem. She doesn't want to use them, fair enough, but she responded to almost every one with a nasty diatribe and as she went off on her Quack Science/Space Lizard course, anyone who questioned her assertions was insulted in response. You said you didn't read all her posts, perhaps you should.

Fine, now I find you writing about lizards and associating them with me. I did not bring that up. I have made it clear I do not believe it, yet idiots like you still accuse me of being such a believer. now you are going on the ignore list as well. Fuck you.

I thought I was there long ago. I'm hurt.

Having read through all these posts and understood who said what to whom, I must say that as a rational mid 40 year old male, nobody has mentioned pie in sufficient quantities, is a cure to all ills. Needless to say I am deeply disappointed and hope to find several as a measure of recompense in my inventory when I next log-on. If not, I am coming back here with proof that I am the lizard king of old london town and you are all newts........... so there.

And yet you post HUGE quotes from the ravings of the man who thought that particular stupidity up. You are obviously a supporter of his and, therefore, guilty by association

Just wondering if you can write anything besides insults.

And I'm sure you know this, since you left it out of the quoted portion; but I did say that I was talking about your post to Francoise.

Both times.

What, anyone remembers the original post? ;p

Again I specifically admitted I did not read all of Debra's posts in order to make clear I was talking about Pixie's unwarranted attack on Francoise.

Also, I have asked people what all this 'lizard talk' is about but no one will tell me. People who *have* read the entire thread sound mostly annoyed or frustrated. Why would I wish to join them?

Finally - even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Whatever else Debra says that some take issue with, does not mean she's out in left field on *everything* she says. I've yet to see anyone disprove the so called 'nutty' stories, which are pulled from press reports, clips off the national news, and other such resources. Both Debra and Francoise have quoted more 'established' sources - but people pile on for the bloodletting instead.

I honestly think some come to the forums simply to be cruel for sport.

One of the sources she used was a fellow named David Icke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Aside from his theories on vaccines, he also believes the world is run by Lizardmen. Naturally, some people take David Icke's writings less than seriously.


It's also wrong 86,398 times a day.

And some come to be rude, arrogant and needing to prove the y know more than everyone else. *Not referring to you*

Oh I agree in that some of their ideas I also subscribe to, just not to the extent that they may. Even id I didn't I am not taking issue with the opinions. it is how those opinions are being expressed. Calling people, idiots, uneducated, telling them to fuck themselves, adopting a smug sense that you are the only person who knows the truth, etc, are not conducive to winning people over to your point of view. Not once has she made any claim or given supporting information without tagging it with insults and condescention. In her mins ALL her sources are the pinnacle of truth, all counterclaims are summarily wrong.

Even if some have been poking her, and that is true, she brings it on herself, and should be prepared for that when taking astance that she does. The productive way to debate is to calmly continue to give her evidence, and not be baited by others. Yes it is hard, but it is necessary if she wishes to try to dicuss her beliefs with others. To do aotherwise shows a lack of maturity, something that will come back on her eventually in the real world.

I am definitely not behind name-calling or insults or belittling. Everyone can lose their cool for a post or two but it should not go on and on, and it should not seek to demean the other person beyond perhaps their argument or argument style (ideally not even that.)

But playing devil's advocate, it did seem like a pileup for a while there. (Perhaps she lashed out under the strain.)

It's one reason I exited. I don't like being around that. But no, just like the person in the 'ban' thread calling everyone small brains or whatever, people who insult will likely not get a lot of respect until they come back down to earth and play on an even field.

Is that where the lizard thing came from? Did Debra say she believes in lizard men too?

If not, then perhaps she's just cherry picked the one sane thing he said, who knows. Doesn't really earn her being tarred with the same brush.

It doesn't seem like most are discussing the issue. Just picking at anything at hand, instead.

It can be hard to find resources everyone else can access on the 'net. I can identify with that predicament since I mostly read something, take it in and do not keep record or memory of the bibliographical evidence. If it isn't online, though, to some it's not proven.

She did say she didn't believe the Lizardman crap, after it was pointed out that David Icke is a complete looney.

Would you use that source if you wanted to be taken seriously?

She uses a lot of crackpot sources. She tarred herself.

If ten people were piling on me and I quoted the first thing I saw, it might happen, yes. If I knew the resource being quoted on that page was accurate due to other things I had read, yes.

And then some might obsess on a tree and miss the woods.

PS Oh you added the first paragraph - so she doesn't even believe in it and yet some are making it sound as if she does. Not too ethical in my opinion.

You should read what she quoted:

/327/e6/343495/15.html#post2589281

It's not like she found a repurable article from a scientific journal, and it just so happened the author believes the world is run by Lizardmen. It's chock full o'nuts, like multiple references to Illuminati conspiracy theories.

Would you use anything from his web site as a source?

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

that site is like all the stuff i get slapped on my desk everyday from the extremists around here..videos and articles and dvds ect.
I really don't think there is a theory i haven't heard yet or watched on some form of media..

It all leads to the one world order and then the beast taking the thrown and the start of the second coming..

I've heard all the theories and all the solutions to prepare for it and what you have to do while it's going on and yada yada yada..
i'm at the point that i wish for their sake it would start so i wouldn't have to hear them worry so much anymore LOL

i wish it was as easy and this..OMG!! it's starting..run off in the woods and hide..if it's a false alarm we'll let you know it's ok to come out

Yes, Melita, I can, unlike Ms Himmel and her associates! Yes, I am aware that you were addressing Francoise, but on a public forum, therefore I am free to comment, especially since you were talking about my post.
I stand by my opinion that Ms Himmel and her friend are either crazy or deluded, and their ideas about vaccination - I'm sure you're aware of the thread! - are seriously dangerous, and I very much hope they are never in a position of authority over any child.

The only explanation I can think of for all the crackpot ideas they entertain is either that real life is just too dull for them, or that their real lives are disappointing in some way and they need to find some outside source to blame. Actually, that probably really is it. How much better to blame a huge evil conspiracy by the government, doctors, freemasons et al for a life that's tedious and boring, than to face the fact that they are just regular folks, not 'special' at all. Probably explains why she's so fond as that looney tunes ex-doctor who describes herself as 'Ghandi with breasts' and claims that her ex-husband sodomised their child to give him autism (under strict government instructions, natch!) to punish her for being anti-vaccinations. I'm not kidding - this is one of Debra's biggest heros - a certified nutter with more delusions than a Hershey bar has peanuts!

Fine, fuck you too. You also go on the ignore list.

I'm pleased to be in such good company

The problem with ignore lists is that they can work against you, because anyone can write all the insults they like about you and either you won't know or you can't help having a look at what's being said, in which case you have to swallow what's being said about you without any response, because pride won't let you be seen to be looking. It's a mean old scene, isn't it

Debra came to these forums with the originating post in this thread, in which she expressed resentment against Linden Labs for being forced to provide personal information in order to regain access to content and regions now flagged as "adult" - a sentiment that is, quite honestly, shared by many of us here. No fault there so far. However, it was her stated premise for her argument, implying that Linden Labs were hired goons for the NSA, that put her deep in the credibility hole from the get-go. At first, we all pretty much ignored the bizarre claim and pointed out several ways she could get account-verified without having to cough up undue amounts of personal info (a few options we posted, myself included, required divulging no personal information to LL whatsoever). Each of these suggestions were rudely and harshly rejected, and we were showered with liberal quantities of insults for our efforts. However, it really wasn't until she went off on some tangent regarding vaccinations, quoting LARGE passages from David Icke to support her claims, and essentially calling us all idiots for not drinking her Kool-Aid, that she basically lost all credibility with us, with really no hope of recovery.

I know it's a long read, but you *really* need to read completely through this thread to get a good understanding of what we've all had to deal with and how we've gotten to this point.

People who bring their personal take on the 'stranger' things life to a public anonymous forum, are going to get shot down in flames. That's how hidden people behave. Maybe with tonal inflection and facial expression, these issues could be more rationally developed. The trading of insults is as old as human speech. As Kath said, if you have a point don't get stressed if no-one gets it, say your piece, don't lose your composure and walk away with your head held high. At the moment everybody is talking past each other and so the thread should be closed as it serves no purpose.