Thank You SL

About a week ago I posted on this thread some information about potential dangers of the H1N1 vaccine. The few people who responded to my post largely dismissed it as the ravings of a lunatic who receives this information telepathically in her sleep. I don’t give a toss about those of you who dismiss what I wrote with no consideration of the content. But I do care about any of you who may benefit from the information and use it to make an informed decision. For those of you who can only be bothered to name-call, ridicule and minimilise what I write, please stop right here. There is no need for you to read my source documents. And please, please get your swine flu jab as soon as possible. Except for you in that group who reside in the US…you should wait until the adjuvants that have been included in the vaccine being offered throughout the EU, Iceland and Norway are added to the vaccine offered in the US.

For the rest of you who are concerned about the vaccine and would like to know where I got the information contained in my post I offer the following:

This was written by Wayne Madison who is a contributing writer to the progressive Online Journal (www.onlinejounel.com) and was distributed to daily newspapers throughout the US by McClatchy-Tribune Information Services the weekend of October 17-18.

“Forcing untested tonic is a violation of civil liberties
Washington – The rush to approve the vaccine for the H1N1 flu – also known as swine or “novel flu” was based on a combination of the greed of the pharmaceutical industry and uninformed decisions by the awkward alliance of the public health and federal emergency management officials.
At an international swine flu conference in the nation’s capital in September, some public health and medical officials expressed bewilderment over federal, state and local emergency personnel talking of implementing “riot control” at vaccinations stations, mandatory quarantines, forced vaccinations of certain sectors of the population and even “mass fatality management”. The rush of the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control, Department of Health and Human Services and the National Institutes of Health in endorsing the swine flu vaccine has created fear, suspicion, and angst among both the general public and the health provider community.
Not assuaging fears about the H1N1 vaccine are the results of President Gerald Ford’s 1976 order for a nationwide swine flu vaccination program after an outbreak of the flu at Fort Dix, N.J.
In subsequent years, reports surfaced of complications from the vaccine that resulted in cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a neuromuscular ailment, and autism, the latter afflicting children who received the vaccine, which reportedly resulted from the presence of thimerosal – a preservative that contains mercury.
Added to the H1N1 vaccine is an oily concoction called squalene that has been shown to cause severe autoimmune conditions, including multiple sclerosis and lupus.
Four New York state nurses recently filed suit before the New York Supreme Court asking it to overturn an order that requires all health-care workers in the state to get both the seasonal and swine flu vaccinations. Even exemptions for religious beliefs were disallowed by the New York State Health Commission.
A British poll this past summer revealed that one-third of British nurses would resist taking the swine flu vaccine and a sizeable number of British doctors and health-care workers in Hong Kong agreed with the assessment of the British nurses that the vaccine was not properly tested.
An Associated Press-GfK poll taken in early October – as the autumn H1N1 pandemic wave began to peak – showed that more than a third of parents in the United Sates would refuse to have their children injected with the swine flu vaccine.
In the rush to approve the swine flu vaccine as “safe”, the Canadian federal government suspiciously decided to offer immunity from lawsuits to the manufacturers of the vaccine.
The Canadian action followed four Canadian research studies that concluded people who had received the seasonal flu vaccine were more likely to contract the H1N1/swine flu virus.
After all the reassurances about the safety of the H1N1 vaccine by senior U.S. government officials, including President Obama himself, the campaign appears to have fallen on deaf ears.
Increasingly Americans –asked to trust their government with their health – are resisting this wholesale violation of their civil liberties. When all is said and done, it’s likely they’ll be glad they “just said no”.”

Note that the article only mentioned the offer of immunity to pharmaceutical companies in Canada and in my earlier post I said Canada and the US. Please read the following for my source on that bit of information:


FROM www.FLU.GOV

“What is the PREP Act?
The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act or PREP Act is a federal law that authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services to issue a declaration to provide tort liability immunity (except for willful misconduct) to individuals and organizations involved in the development, manufacture, distribution, administration and use of countermeasures against pandemics, epidemics and diseases and health threats caused by chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear agents of terrorism.

On June 15, 2009, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius extended the PREP Act declaration for pandemic vaccines to H1N1 vaccines, and amended the declaration on (date) to add provisions that can help H1N1vaccination campaigns.”

And finally, the squalene noted in the article by Mr. Madison is not currently found in the vaccine being distributed throughout the US. However, the five pharmaceutical companies who are supplying the vaccine to America claim that the absence of this adjuvant is one of the primary reasons for vaccine shortage in the US. The dosage of the actual vaccine you receive with the non-adjuvanated type is roughly double what is found in the adjuvanated form of the vaccine therefore causing a greater consumption but providing fewer doses. And though the CDC has said their policy is for the US vaccine to contain no adjuvants, please note the following from the New York State Department of Health. Oh, and keep in mind, you-know-who declared a state of emergency just two weeks ago.

“Will an adjuvant be added to the H1N1 flu vaccine?
At this time the vaccine that has been licensed does not contain adjuvant. There is recent evidence that an adjuvanated 2009 H1N1 vaccine may be immunogenic at a dose of 7.5 ug. If adjuvanated vaccine becomes available then use of that particular type of vaccine will be given under an Emergency use Authorization (EUA). Under an EUA there are additional requirements for documentation and consent.
If vaccine is adjuvanted, how will it be formulated?
Formulation will vary by provider. For Novartis, vaccine may be pre-formulated with adjuvant (Note: Novartis is currently supplying pre-formulated vaccine throughout the rest of the world). For CSL, GSK and Sanofi Pasteur, mixing of vaccine and adjuvant at the site of administration will be necessary. Specific information on storage requirements and procedures for mixing vaccine and adjuvant will be provided by the CDC. Medimmune vaccine will not be adjuvanted.”
http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/communicable/influenza/h1n1/health_care_providers/frequently_asked_questions/vaccine.htm

Hope you all have a lovely day.

That's a lot of opinion right there.

Francoise (you do realise that's a woman's name, Pixieplumb?) have you seen Jig's newest thread?

There is a known reaction ANY flu shot where the patient gets the disease rather than an immunity to it.

There are also folks allergic to components of serum such as eggs or thimerisol

I know I cant take ANY flu shot I am ALWAYS one of the ones that gets the disease + I am allergic to thimerisol.

I dont know much about the rush to get a vaccine out. I just know I wont be getting one due to my own personal known bad reactions to flu shots.

btw my situation is more common than you might think.

I believe you. Some of us out there tend to get the side effects more readily than other parts of the population. There are various reasons for that. No one should ever be forced to get something like this, that's for sure.

I didn't Melita, but i have now. Thank you.

Yes it is. That's pretty well the point of a forum such as this. My opinion is that anyone subscribing to the 'flu vaccine is an evil conspiracy by a totalitarian Illuminati government' theory is batshit crazy (what an adorable expression), highly gullible or just really stupid. Possibly all three.



LOL. Thanks Melita, I DO know that; it's my mother-in-law's middle name, and she was called Frankie as a pet name in childhood. I was using the expression 'guys' in a casual non gender specific way. So I am fully aware that the avatars Debra and Francoise have female names. As to their RL gender, well, I neither know nor care - it's not the point at issue, is it?

Naughty Pixie, expressing an opinion in an internet forum.

Thank you so very much for your off topic necropost of FUD.

Give it the Swine Flu Vaccine and see what happens.

Can we get this monstrosity locked. PLEASE!!!

Yes, and i will defend to the death YOUR right to say...whatever

It's funny, but because it's been so overused, I now find that phrase to be nothing more than a dismissive "whatever". Irony can be ironic.

Fuckin' hell. What does it take to get a thread locked?

Thud!

We could get Lias to come in here and turn this thread into a child avatar hate-fest. THAT will probably do it!

Although, to be perfectly honest, I could live quite happily without another one of those.

Uhhhhh . . .

Proof positive, I guess, that the driver of this forum is dead at the wheel.

This may be about to become the most popular thread here.

BOUNCING BEWBIES!!!!

OH NOOOO! And I'm not viewing this through my Emerald viewer!!!

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