H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

Woah!! Easy there, Deb!!

edit: /me quotes wikipedia..


Quick! Fix their mistakes!!!

edit edit: hm.. curiouser and curiouser..

Oh dear . . .

Yeah, sorry, Debra. I know for a fact that "quack" had currency in the Renaissance and 17th century. I'd be happy to cite you some texts if you'd like.

Are all of your "facts" this well attested?

And here I was thinking trench warfare, poor sanitation, and massive movements of people carrying exotic strains of disease around the world were factors. Silly me. It was immunizations for a strain of flu that was not the same one as the epidemic.

You don't know me. You don't know what I do or do not know. You keep posting links to unproven assertions, pseudoscience, and wishful thinking that is in direct opposition to the actual, peer-reviewed research on the subject.

I hesitate to participate in flame wars, but I must agree. This evil kills people.

/me sits back with her popcorn, wondering what will happen next.. Flame? Apology? Silence? Counterfacts?

Show me the documentation. The FDA does not control publishing of studies, entries to journals are peer reviewed and ultimately published by the journal editor. There are medical journals published all over the world, far beyond the reach of the FDA. If there was one ounce of scientific proof, it would be out there.

Show me the documentation.

You are a flaming, certified and stamped nutter, Debra. I'll send you a tinfoil hat.

Well, in her defense, something I'm pretty reluctant to come to, the pharma industry isn't exactly a bunch of benign grandmothers, intent only on keeping everybody safe.

That said.. Yeah.. Crazier than Prok after a henhouse raid..

Oh!! Oh!!! What animal does this sound like? Prooooook! Prok, prok, prok.

I don't think I'm in the "prime age group."

I think my work is done here.

Partly true. The pharmaceuticals industry, like every industry, is about profit. For them and their shareholders. They are not in business solely for humanitarian reasons...although many humanitarians work in that industry.

But let's keep in mind that "profit" does not equate to "evil". Yes, the companies want to make money. But they are well aware that they cannot remain in business in the long run if they harm their customers with their products. The nutters who say "the drug companies are out to make me/my kids/my friends/my co-religionists sick" are flat out batshit crazy.

Do drugs cause side effects or bad reactions in some people? Yep. It says so right on their labels. Should I not take them because of that? In most cases, that's a poor decision, because the chances of a bad reaction are very low, and the good the stuff is going to do you is worth the small risk.

My brother works in the pharmaceutical industry. I know exactly what sort of testing and re-testing and re-re-testing new products have to go through before they get FDA approval and can be prescribed.

Bad stuff can happen when you take medications. Allergic reactions, side effects. Maybe your doctor misdiagnosed you. You could get a bad batch. The pharmacist might misread the prescription, or the dosage. All of us run these risks, even with over the counter drugs. BUT THE RISKS ARE OUTWEIGHED BY THE BENEFITS.

People who tell you otherwise are generally people who have happened to experience one of the bad things that can, on occasion, happen...and simply MUST find someone to lay the blame on. Not always...there are always the very small minority who manage to uncover something...a cover up, a case of bribery, an intemperate rush to market...but you will almost NEVER find such a crusader by their blogs or forum posts or sensational books. The ones who are actually on to something and in the right have lawyers, not the court of public opinion, fighting their battles.

Yep!!

/me goes back to making "prok" sounds.

Ummmm, WOW

Don't you know? Still thinking about it. I know it's hard on the brain. Maybe too much mercury from all those vaccines you've had.

/me switches to making quacking sounds.

Do you really believe that. Maybe you missed the minutes of a meeting of drug company executives and scientists that was leaked to the US senate and is known to have taken place. Meaning it really did happen, where they discuss their research that clearly shows that the vaccines cause autisim and then decide to make sure the public never find out. In fact, you really can't dispute that it does because the number of cases has increased as the number of vaccinations have increased.

You can read about it here:

http://www.icnr.com/articles/thimerosalcoverup.html

See, the thing is that you got called on something you were shouting about just a few posts ago and haven't 'fessed up to being totally full of it and unedumicated youself.

If you learn how to do that, if you learn how to stand up and say "oops! I was wrong - sorry!", people will take you more seriously.

Until then, you're just a raving lunatic screaming about how UFOs abducted your sheep and gave them super powers to mentally control all the people in your town. Or whatever. If you insist on believing something, you *will* be able to find some site on the internet to back it up. That doesn't make it true.

edit: /me googles "ufo sheep mental superpower" for the hell of it and gets 305,000 hits. ZOMG!! It's true!!!

The best you can come up with to support this is a web site that seems to have a primary purpose of selling seminars and products related to their views?

This is a better website to refer folks to: http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

You really need to learn how to debate things in an adult and logical manner.

I'm allegedly on the ignore list, so Debra won't see this, but I have to say - she is utterly deluded and probably mentally ill; certainly she is depending on other madmen and women for misinformation that is evil and destructive. I don't know what strange concatenation of circumstances has led her to these websites full of poison and lies, but all these lunatic ramblings are easily disproved and really only held to by a few people who must have ever greater drama in their lives. Probably it's a form of Munchausens, this desperate need for conspiracy and intrigue. I blame her parents and too great a liking for the X Files.

Either that or she needs to just shut down the frigging computer and go outside and talk to real people more often.Get some sun..I hear it's full of Vitamin D.

But, if one bothered to read all the other articles one can find about this (thimerosal or thiomersal) quite easily with Google, it would appear that there is a quite different conclusion to be found.

I'll put up half dozen or so first found articles against your one so far.

No its very simple. There is no evidence that vaccinations work, but there is huge evidence that they don't and that they are full of poisons. I have presented enough evidence, now you show some evidence that they do work. Where is it, I'm waiting. So until you can show some, the polio is gone not from vaccinations, but for other reasons.

All you people ever do is accuse people of being conspiracy theorists or some kind of nut. Just like with man made global warming where a few scientists that make a living while global warning is believed but over 30,000 scientists sign a petition stating that it is a load of crap. I guess they are all morons too and UFO believers. The problem is, that even NASA admits that the surface temperature of the earth has declined over the last 11 years and state that because of the lack of sun spot activity the temperature will decline for the next 30 years at least. But hey, those boy and girls working for NASA are just conspiracy nuts.

The reality is that people like you and most of the others here do not spend time looking into this sort of thing and believe the crap they hear on the main media.

Produce the evidence.

K!


See also the numerous people who called you on this BS.

I work in a health care field, so yes I got mine yesterday...geeeze is my arm sore!
More so than any regular flu shot I've had previously (our regular flu vaccine isn't on hand just yet so I went ahead and got the swine one anyways).

Just like pretty much all studies -- you can find one to support any position you wish. When it comes to medicines effects on people, we are all so different and there are so many variables, that it is about impossible to get a conclusive results.