H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

I will be getting the shot. Two children have died here, a 13 year old boy and a 6 year old girl. Both did not have pre existing conditions. IMO I may get a mild case of H1N1 but I don't think I could live with myself knowing I passed it on to someone who got very sick or even died.

I had almost forgotten about her. This from her Generation Rescue website:

http://www.generationrescue.org/news-press/090224-banks-vs-hhs.html

Los Angeles - February 24, 2009 - Generation Rescue, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey’s Los Angeles-based non-profit autism organization, today announced that the United States Government has once again conceded that vaccines cause autism. The announcement comes on the heels of the recently unsealed court case of Bailey Banks vs. HHS. The ruling states, “The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine…a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to PDD [Autism].”

In a curious and hypocritical method of operation, the mysterious Vaccine Court not only protects vaccine makers from liability but supports a policy that has tripled the number of vaccines given to U.S. children – all after being made aware of the fact that these vaccines do, in fact, cause autism and repeatedly ruling in favor of families with children hurt by their vaccines.

“It was heartbreaking to hear about Bailey’s story, but through this ruling we are gaining the proof we need to open the eyes of the world to the fact that vaccines do, in fact, cause autism,” said Jenny McCarthy, Hollywood actress, autism activist, best-selling author and Generation Rescue board member. “Bailey Banks’ regression into autism after vaccination is the same story I went through with my own son and the same story I have heard from thousands of mothers and fathers around the country. Our hope is that this ruling will influence decision and policy-makers to help the hundreds of thousands of children and families affected by this terrible condition.”

Thank you Josh. Have a lovely day.

Free vaccine or not,
taken from taxpayer's money or not (I accept the responsibilities of a voting citizen of my country to allow for my taxes to be spent where it is deemed necessary),
media hype or not,
dangers or not (the chances of an autistic child are just as high without the vaccine I believe - after all, aren't the dangers of lack of oxygen at birth always high - just to name one other risk at birth?),
crowds waiting in line (I will take my place in the line-up - there are NO special accomodations made for people like me)

Having REALLY considered all your valid opinions, I am going to get the shot as soon as I can.
I'll also get the "other" flu shot.

What is so amazing is how little someone like you knows. For example, the 1918 Influenza outbreak was caused by a vaccine being given to American soldiers before they departed to Europe. The reason very healthy people die of such things as the bird flu is because once the virus has mutated in the body it attacks the lungs that are then further attacked by the immune system. As for nutrition, that is exactly the reason why people are less likely to get infections. I have already posted evidence that vaccines do nothing to help and there is absolutely no evidence that they work, NONE except that outbreaks happen where they are given, but huge amounts of evidence that good nutrition does going right back to the 1850's. The only good thing about people like you that believe all this medical crap is that you will at some point all die out through believing it all and taking the medicine.

Maybe you would also like to debunk Dr. Carley whose own child was damaged by vaccines while she too believed all the lies. But now she knows better and wants the whole world to know.

http://www.drcarley.com

You had me right up until you mentioned colloidal silver, a useless snake oil if every there was one (and yes, I fell for it and tried it.) There is not one shred of scientific evidence that colloidal silver does anything except separate the user from the cash in their wallet. It's your money, spend it how you want - but please stop telling people that colloidal silver does ANYTHING since not one bit of it has been proven. Find some actual medical studies and I'll reverse that opinion.

Beta Glucan, on the other hand, is actually scientifically proven to increase immune response from the typical 30% response in a healthy individual to a 50% response. Lab tested. Documented.

Debra...you have some interesting things to say, you provide sources to look into, and a lot of your feelings I agree with in some ways. Can't you , just once, express your views without being rude, arrogant and condescending? You don't have to prove you are the smartest person in the class every minute of the day.

I recommend How Mumbo-jumbo Conquered the World: A Short History of Modern Delusions
by Francis Wheen, and Bad Science by Ben Goldacre.

Sensible books, by real scientists who know what they're talking about and are not lizards.

So they are Greys then?

No, colloidal silver is very cheap and can easily be made at home. It's expensive when bought ready made and probably be older than 3 months, so no longer effective as the silver particles are no longer in suspension. The fact that you do not believe that there is lots of evidence that colloidal silver works I suppose is the reason that silver is now being impregnated into plasters to put on wounds. Stop lying about this.

This product called Super Silver has taken it a step further by surrounding the silver with oxygen making it even more effective and when combined with anti-biotics that no longer work because of resistens, the anti-biotics suddenly work again as if by magic. There is years of scientific research on this product that has also been peer reviewed. In fact, they have a gel version of it that is used by the US military for combat woulds to stop infections in the battlefield and while wounded soldiers are being cared for. But hey, the FDA won't approve it for human use, just for animals because they can't stop that. Guess they forgot to tell the Pentagon, or could it be that the pentagon knows the FDA is full of crap and controlled by the drug companies. BTW. the FDA won't allow the makers of the product to publish their research.

http://www.truehealthfacts.com/SuperSilver/SuperSilver.html

But you carry on believing all the drug company propaganda

That is an absolutely unforgivable untruth. Unforgivable because not everyone will realize--as I'm sure this poster does--that it is complete and utter balderdash. Unforgivable because this kind of disinformation is exactly the cause of setbacks to the eradication of polio--except usually these lies are spread by radical Islamic clerics in northern Nigeria, espousing self-serving paranoiac propaganda about Westerners trying to sterilize or infect Muslims with HIV.

You are going on my ignore list as well.

I was talking to Pixie about her lizard comment.

But not thefirst time I have been ignored. No skin off my nose.

The problem with them deciding to call this one H1N1 is that a lot of regular seasonal flu is caused by strains of H1N1.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1
(per the bio-chem instructors at the colleges here, wiki is accurate on this)

"Influenza A (H1N1) virus is a subtype of influenzavirus A and the most common cause of influenza (flu) in humans. Some strains of H1N1 are endemic in humans and cause a small fraction of all influenza-like illness and a large fraction of all seasonal influenza. H1N1 strains caused roughly half of all human flu infections in 2006. Other strains of H1N1 are endemic in pigs (swine influenza) and in birds (avian influenza)."

"Swine influenza (also called swine flu, hog flu, pig flu and sometimes, the swine) is an infection by any one of several types of swine influenza virus. Swine influenza virus (SIV) is any strain of the influenza family of viruses that is endemic in pigs. As of 2009, the known SIV strains include influenza C and the subtypes of influenza A known as H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2, and H2N3."

"In the 2009 flu pandemic, the virus isolated from patients in the United States was found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses – North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe – "an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences." This new strain appears to be a result of reassortment of human influenza and swine influenza viruses, in all four different strains of subtype H1N1."


Hence, they should not really be simply calling it H1N1.

It's a lot of "marketing" hype. Let's take a flu that has been around for 100 years, dust it off, and give it a spiffy name. We can then trot it out call it a pandemic and get everyone into a panic so they will run around and not notice we aren't fixing any real problems. And we can make money to boot. Full of win.

Mrs Carley is a sick woman. It is to be hoped she is receiving the psychiatric help she desperately needs.

Maybe you'd like to explain why outbreaks of polio in Africa happen just when the UN decides to do some vaccinations. You see the one thing that cannot be denied is that there will always be some batches of vaccines that have live viruses in them causing the outbreak. So even if I am wrong, and you are right, vaccinations cause the outbreaks. Now you know why it will never be eradicated as long as people are vaccinated. One of the best studies done was in Finland with whooping cough vaccine where the authorities vaccinated and caused outbreaks. They then stopped for ten years without any outbreaks. They then started again and the outbreaks started again.

Stop being so dumb and get educated.

Stop it. You know damned well that you're citing crackpots, quacks, and pseudo-science publicity whores. Stop it. It kills people.

Stop being an immature twat and learn to discuss things like an adult.

Re the above:


What she said, many times over.

What I am referring to are weekly epidemiological and surveillance data from my regional public health unit and lab that I receive as a health care professional working in infectious disease and the vast majority (99.9%) of laboratory confirmed influenza at this time in my region is the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus.

I know that is what many people are referring to when they say that, but it still is not a totally accurate description since H1N1 is a subtype of influenza A and accounts for many regular seasonal flu cases. Calling it H1N1 is no more *specific* that calling it a virus -- and as soon as people start googling H1N1, they start getting confused about what is what unless they really dig in to the readings.

No you go to hell. Its idiots like you that kill people. All I have posted in this thread can be proved. All you have done is show your dislike of Muslims. Your time would be much better spent getting the nutrition Africans get improved. Its idiots like you that want all aids patients in Africa be given a drug like AZT when the drug is so poisonous it was banned even for cancer patients because it kills every cell in the body and was never patented at the time because the drug companies never thought they would find a way of using it. Well the good news is that its only aids patients that take the drug that seem to die, not the ones that don't and make sure they get good nutrition. You're full of it.

Right. And I suppose smallpox was eradicated because there was such good nutrition in Bangladesh.

Yes

Do you even know where the term quack came from. In the 1800's the medical profession would give sick people mercury to heal them. Quick silver is another name for mercury. Over time the Quick turned into Quack. Like I said previously, get educated.