H1N1 - What's the Feeling in SL Community?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
Have you checked out whats in it and the resultant viruses that can set up in your body....
our bodies have a natural defense when we are exposed... we lose that when its injected directly into our systems. Planting health time bombs...per Dr. Mendelsohn
Its a personal choice and hopefully a fully informed one, not based on fear....afterall... you live with the consequences....

People sometimes get this mixed up but when you say "H. Flu", from a medical perspective, they would be referring to H. influenzae or Haemophilus influenzae type B, and that's something completely different from H1N1.

Certainly there is. Since June there has been an rT-PCR rapid test for detection of H1N1. It can also be isolated in a viral culture, but it takes longer. Believe me, people in hospitals across the country are being definitively diagnosed with H1N1 every day.



That is because H1N1 is influenza. So is Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, flu A, B and C, among a few others. They are all members of the same family of influenza. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, because viruses are always mutating and adapting.

There are also up to 200 other viruses that can cause upper respiratory infections (normally called flu, but they really aren't), and without definitive testing you just don't really know.

You are correct, and Haemophilus influenzae is actually a bacteria, not a virus at all.

Based on the current epidemiological and surveillance data, there isn't necessarily a need to get laboratory confirmation of H1N1 in most cases and you just treat them empirically.

Take your pick from these (it's very late and I can't be arsed to look up the references, they are out there- just google them):

- The vaccine is rushed & untested (pre-approval given by governments based on a 6 months old basic vaccine base)
- Some insurance companies will not cover GP's giving the shot
- Pharmaceutical companies have been given immunity from being sued in case of deaths caused by the vaccines
- Profits for pharmaceutical companies are up by about 2bil compared to this time last year
- Live bird flu virus was "accidentally" shipped with a batch of swine flu vaccine (discovered by luck through a spot check... having failed over 100 supposed "safety checks"
- Vaccine for general population contains mercury (thimerosal) despite mercury free vaccine being available (was supplied en-masse for the German military)
- There have been reports from various countries of serious side effects, hospitalisations & deaths shortly after getting the vaccine
- The infection/mortality rate for swine flu is less than the seasonal flu
- President Obama hasn't gotten his kids vaccinated (despite declaring a state of emergency)
- No-one seems to be investigating why the virus has components of avian, swine & human flu from the regions of the US, EU & Asia (yeah... real natural...)


... that'll be a no for me then

Never said it was H1N1. But it was flu, H flu. That is what the Dr. told me I had - flu. He even told me there is a different strain every year, and that was that year's strain. Doesn't sound like a bacterial infection.

My subtext was partly that flu is not anything new and neither are these numbers we're seeing in the press. Most of us have had flu before and survived it. Mom had stomach flu, I still remember taking care of her, but we'd both rather take our chances than be injected with something tested for what, three weeks?

I'm not sure why it's suddenly an emergency other than a lot of VIPs with VIP agendas. What's new about flu?

PS well said, Amael. (Maybe some of the doctors here can refute that.)

Not debating the need to treat, or the need to test. What I am trying to get across is that just because you have fever, rhinorrhea and/or cough, does not mean that you have H1N1. It is probable, but just as probably not.

So how would that relate to possibly skewed press reports?

Cherry-picking at the moment because, quite frankly, I'm growing tired of this debate:Of course profits are up. Have you been watching the news lately? Regardless of debates over the efficacy of the H1N1 vaccine, the country IS in the grips of an influenza epidemic - which means OTC medications are flying off the store shelves at rates far surpassing last year.You would be quite amazed at what contains thimerosal. Anyone here wear contact lenses? Anyone here have dental fillings? Besides, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere recently that the vaccines being distributed in the US are thimerosal-freeName one medicine that has no side effects and causes allergic reaction for nobody. You can't; they don't exist. Besides, this statistic is pretty much worthless if they have not completely eliminated any other possible cause of illness or death.WRONG!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1009/First_kids_get_swine_flu_vaccine_POTUS__FLOTUS_wait.htmlUmmm... Mutations, perhaps? Viruses are notorious for this sort of thing. Besides, what does this have to do with the efficacy of the H1N1 vaccine?Your prerogative. However, spreading FUD about the vaccine is not doing anyone any favors.

I think I missed the part about skewed press reports, but I can tell you that doctors always have to warn about the most dire consequences. They will often back that up with hopeful prognostication, but they always have to prepare you for the worse that can happen. I would guess this MO just spilled over into the press.

I do business as usual. I will immunize myself with the *real* flu as soon I can catch it. I just started to do daily walks through Viennas most crowded places and overheated pre x-mas decorated shopping centers, full of coughing and sneezing people, but nothing happened so far. My lungs are prepared and sealed with ca. 1 cm strong surface made of tar (Winston blue and occassionally Marlboro light), so that the flu has no chance to settle there and the rest of my body is well trained by all sorts of flus along my previous life, so I add the H1N1 as extra cookie and eat it with a smile.

Usual main weapons: 4 liters of chamomile tea a day plus cherries and oranges plus aspirin in worst case plus sweating like a finn in the sauna.

(If you hear longer nothing from me, then something went wrong with my experiment )

Well it really depends on when and where you're talking about but in my region, 99.9% of the positive influenza A subtyped specimens were H1N1, so if you're presenting with ILI, you're more than likely to have swine flu and that would include me at the moment damn it!

Why not just take 100ug or 4,000IU of vitamin D3 each day and never catch a flu again. Why do you think people get the flu in winter? And if you do get the flu, take 3,000IU x body weight in pounds for three days; it's safer than playing Russian roulette with a vaccine when the evidence is clear that vaccines do not work.

And if the Swine Flu is being caught by so many people, where are the huge death figures throughout the country?

This so called Swine Flu is made up of two parts swine flu, one part bird flu, and two parts normal flu. The strange thing is, that can't happen naturally. What was found with the bird flu was that the virus would have to mutate in the body in order to attack the lungs. The bodies own immune system would then also attack the lungs which would result in death. In order to stop this mutation, the body needs a higher amount of Selenium. However, most people will need to take it as a supplement because they can no longer it from the pesticide covered food they buy.

It was also found that people in Asia that got the bird flu and would eat their equivalent of sauerkraut recovered.

Oh, I don't know.... Maybe because Winter is when everyone is huddled together indoors to stay warm, as opposed to the Summer when everyone is outdoors and less likely to be in close contact with other people?

Just a guess.

Perhaps a goverment produced flu? I smell a conspiracy....i dont know if I spelled that right my tylenol pm is kickin gin and im quite fuzzy..
what were we talking about. I think you get hte flu in the winter because


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It is being done because the World Health Organisation (WHO) have told the medical authorities in all member countries to report all flu infections as the swine flu.

Oh dear.. They DO know that ALL the nasty influenza strains are variants of influenza A (most are H1N1), yes? And that the "seasonal flu" we get shots for each year is for influenze B?.. not even the same type as this. This particular A-H1N1 variant picked up a new trait gleaned from actual swine influenza through cohabitation in pigs this year (the particularly fast spreading ability), and *that's* why people called it swine flu at first. It did *not* however, pick up any new proteins or change it's structure, and it doesn't behave like they expected it to when all this hype started. From 2005 through 2009, only 12 cases of human infection with swine influenza have been reported to the CDC. This is not swine flu, this is a variant of influenza A-subtype(H1N1).. It's the same type and subtype that's responsible for the global outbreaks of 1918, 1957 and 1968 that claimed many millions of people, just a different and much weaker variant. A H1N1 variant is also the one that makes it's rounds every year well after the tradishional flu season is over, one that's typically more severe than seasonal flu B, and one that's commonly diagnosed as a "flu-like" illness or syndrome. Make no mistake, H1N1 can kill, but THIS variant isn't any worse than the regular flu.

The benefit to having the shot for this particular variant is that it gives you the antibodies to it, which in many cases will limit the damage that can occur if one has an adverse reaction to the virus infection. The severe risk in these cases is an OVER-reaction by the bodies defenses, which is called a cytokine storm. When under attack, the 2 main types of cells that defend you release chemical help messages that bring reinforcements. Problem is, these cells don't *stop* sending those messages until they're taken over, and without antibodies to assist in wiping out the virus before the bodies reaction becomes the number one problem, the storm of reinforcements start to block off airways, cells lose the ability to absorb oxygen, and your lungs begin to fill with fluid. This can kill you long before the bodies real defensive badasses, the T-cells, can ever get there. Surviving that, the T-cells arrive (which attack the virus differently than the others) and order the infected cells that line the walls of your lungs to self destruct, which leaves holes and gaps in the lungs lining. This causes fluid buildup and leaves you susceptable to secondary infections such as pneumonia and such. Don't underestimate the benefit of having the right antibody, or your own bodies ability to kill you. This is exactly why the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918 mostly killed the healthiest adults with the best immune systems, and why the young, weak, and elderly with weaker immune systems had a much higher survival rate.

Which is why so many now and in ever increasing numbers take the natural route to cure themselves. BTW, colloidal silver kills every virus, bacteria, fungus/mould there is. It's the perfect medicine if infected with flu and has no side effects. So why take the crap you get from the drug companies.

You continue rolling your eyes, but stop trying to bait me.

i tried that stuff but just cannot seem to shake the side affects

Colloidal silver can be dangerous to the liver and can even turn your skin blue in large doses.

In general I am more for 'natural methods' however, partly due to necessity. I am just wired that way (I respond better.)



Doesn't sound very scientific.

I wasn't saying the reports ARE skewed but wondering whether they were. Whether in specific the numbers are accurate. 1,000 deaths, I think has been reported. Sounds a lot but that is about average for yearly flu deaths unfortunately.

OK, *that* is hilarious

I have antivirus software.