Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please....

you just have to be a skilled pilot (ie know which arrow button to press )...but its difficult with all the other problems determined to knock you out of the sky...

You're right. I got my posters confuzled. I went back and deleted my post. My bad.

Pretty much. I am still not totally comfortable with mouselook ships, but arrow key fkying is no problem, even at higher speeds.

okay heres my suggestion...

Lindens can come up with a continent for adult stuff so how about one for people who want to use vehicles...

a block of 30 squares with a further zone two squares deep around the edge for people to live in... This outer ring would possess a decent road netowrk and possibly even a tram, rail or monorail system.

within the continent no ban lines or security orbs are allowed ... furthermore within that region lindens maximise their efforts to figure out how to stop crashes at regional borders - any worthwhile dicoveries then being applied to the rest of sl as a whole.

Lindens could trade land in the 'habitation area' with anyone who wanted to move into this new explorers and vehicle users continent.

The only problem is I think people are so sick of unsightly ban lines and being forced around sl because of other peoples useless security systems that theyd be overwhelmed by demand.

this demonstrates all the "security" I care to have on my land...

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlOverMyLand

Forgive me ...not a scripter (yet) - what does it actually do ??

If it finds someone who isn't supposed to be there, it asks them to leave, politely.

That's it.

well that sounds reasonable .....

and if it relays the names of intruders who dont move off when requested then Id say ban them....

I just wonder how many people left your name in the list

I was jealous for a moment when I saw the page had nearly 21,000 hits on the bottom. The most I have on one of my personal pages is 17K, but then it clicked that it was an ll function page

I'd actually be concerned that the opposite might obtain: people are so frustrated by all the hindrances to vehicles that only a hardy (or foolhardy?) few of us remain.

OTH, it may be right that more than enough demand would result from the other benefits (e.g., not bouncing off banlines or getting TP'd home while merely walking one's own parcel on a laggy sim).

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I suppose that could be added...

the point was, just ask.... no harm to people buzzing by, a slight annoyance to people that stick around, and no annoying ban lines or access lists. it really needs a function to turn it off, but it was an example not a fleshed out script

if I'm around and they're being annoying then I can just eject them.

@Jesse:
I just barely cleared 1k on my rotation help page... but then there are few links to my pages. 17k? impressive.

I could report the SL sky because it is blue. It would receive the same amount of attention from Linden Lab.

People making real life analogies as to why they should or shouldn't be able to access someone else's land at any height are missing the point. It's not the real world so real world analogies don't apply. SL promises fairly unfettered use of land when one owns it and that includes controlling access. It is completely irrelevant whether you can fly over someone else's property in RL or if you don't leave any marks or do any damage to a person's parcel. Part of the appeal of land ownership in SL is the ability to control access to it, and even people who tolerate or invite others to visit their land (like me! ) would not want that control fettered.

I have a security orb that covers only to the borders of my house. The rest of the parcel is free for all to explore. The only reason I have (soon to be had) the orb up is because I have an @HOME TV in the house and I got tired of logging on to find it tuned to the adult channel . Actually technically it doesn't really prevent people from watching it if they are adept at caming but apparently the practical effect was that it worked, perhaps because it was too much of an inconvenience for people to cam in.

Now that I have updated and have the option of setting the TV to PG I'm ditching the orb, but there are security orbs (like mine) on the market that can be set to not encroach on other people's parcels and give ample warning and they don't have to push either (mine TPs the person home). I don't think it is inconsiderate or unreasonable for people to use orbs in this fashion whether it be on the ground or in a skybox.

It's unfortunate that some people feel the need to go to paranoid and over the top lengths to prevent others from encroaching on their space, such as putting up a network of orbs that covers the entire property from the ground to a thousand meters in the sky, but that is their right and it's not as if there are not plenty of beautiful sims around where the creators want people to visit. With so many more relevant issues that need to be addressed by Linden Lab (including stability and the very physics that cause the unintended crashing from being pushed by orbs or bouncing off of banlines and crossing sim lines) this is not something that it needs to address (except perhaps the long requested option to make banlines visible or invisible as a viewer option).

Darned forums are buggy for me tonight. Trying to reply but quote not working for me.

In short.

The @home tv allows one to restrict accessing the menu to owner or group only. This is also built into almost all modern, well designed furniture and objects. Because of this, intruders in my home quickly become bored, as they can't play with my toys.

Suggest that those finding strangers at play in their homes use their objects' menus to set permissions. If this option is not availiable, go buy some better stuff.

The thing about analogies is that they are useful. The map doesn't have to be the territory to be useful, otherwise we wouldn't have maps.

The thing about _Causby_ is that it's a useful analogy, because the same problems exist in SL... if Chris Norse's wacky fantasy about ban lines from 0-4096 meters held true, there would be no places in the mainland where flight was possible. And when Linden Labs accidentally raised ban lines to 768 meters, briefly, they quickly turned around and pulled them down to earth again because the result was untenable.

In fact it doesn't promise that. Owning land doesn't provide a significant amount of control over access and it provides NO control over privacy, which is why people have been asking Linden Labs for a REAL access-controlled privacy zone on our property since, well, before I joined in 2005.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205

And it is wholly useless on group owned land where the group owner refuses to allow people to have access to the ban list and refuses to ban people unless they pose a problem where said owner can see it ...

Not to mention that being polite does NOT work more than 90% of the time over ANY network service.

Your mileage may vary .... but you're an exception, not the rule.

Fair enough I'm all in favour of banning troublemakers and even people you don't like - do it myself, banned someone from this forum who maintains he has the rights to block anyone yesterday - but why make everyone suffer using security devices when all it takes to elminate undesirables is entering their name in a menu...

Not only do ban lines cause chaos to genuine sl users but they look horrible and again I maintain that all those red lines of text must draw on the system resources....

As for security bots - they dont give people enough time to manouevre out of the way and eject the user in a manner that if it were done elsewhere would be described as 'griefing'....

Http 403 FORBIDDEN?

If so then it is this:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-917

The point being, Maelstrom, that some do not have ACCESS to said menu options. Others may have access and not be allowed to use ANY form of ban line (including individually targeted ones) due to their covenant.

LSO systems were made to be used by people in these situations: Those who do not use them properly should NOT be viewed as the majority.

Majority or not their are enough of them about to cause daily crashes... which on top of banline issues and the problems crashing between region borders just aint good enough..

and some have been quick enough to shout the chant 'I pay to do what I want on my land'

well I pay to fly and explore freely as Im sure many others do.....

You might be surprised.

I've only used access controls twice in over three years, and one of those times was a mistake... and they didn't actually help the other time: banning the idiot just made him hang around outside the banlines "making faces" at me until I moved away for a few minutes.

That only works to a certain extent. Most know how to get around that by simply camming inside and select an object to just sit on. This gains them entry into the house. If that happens in my home, they have 30 seconds to leave.

As far as someone flying over my land I have no problem with that. Like Maggie, I don't like folks wandering in my house.

I'm curious, just how much time do you need? Mine is set for 30 seconds I believe that should be enough time if one is paying attention.

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That's certainly more realistic than 10 or 15 seconds, which is totally hopeless for anything larger than maybe a 1024. And of course all bets are off if the sim is lagging, or if it's one of those confounded contraptions that also spams an ad for the security system, often on top of the warning itself. If you've got one of those--they're very popular, and of course the owner never sees the warning nor the ad, so it's hard to tell without Naming Names--just trash it and see if you can find one that didn't follow the principle of Design For Braindamage.