Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please....

whats the point of making them invisible - so you can get a bloodied nose without seeing it coming ?

Sure, don't you enjoy that too? Also for folks whose neighbors put up ban lines and spoil an otherwise nice view (just on the off chance that you weren't merely poking our ribs ... or for someone who takes your reply seriously. )

The current KB article says I have to put up banlines:



So asking "Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please" is sort of pointless. The Lindens have made it so the mainland will need more banlines, not less.

Being able to toggle the visiblity of the banlines is a very good idea. But until I have concrete proof that I cannot be randomly AR'd for having the same content on my mature parcel that I have always had, I'm afraid the banlines are going to stay.

It's not the way I want it. I don't want to make the mainland any more ugly and I certainly don't want to dampen anyone's enjoyment of the platform. But it's the way I am being told it has to be.

/me gleefully trespasses and drops twelve tons of chickens. HENS AWAAAAY!

thats feeble lindens have hoisted their responsibilty onto the shoulders of sl users... now users have to do lindens policing for them ?

oh KB? knowledge base?

probably one of five different lines of linden viewpoint then.

make those turkeys....


....FROZEN ones

URL?

well the idea of HAVING to put up ban lines almost makes me 'url ...yes....

I agree that the Knowledge Base is not up to date, does not provide consistent or even 100% accurate information.

But if I'm a landowner who doesn't frequent the forums and I look to Linden Lab to provide me with some guidelines or information regarding the things I should do as a responsible resident of the platform, I would probably go straight for something labeled "KNOWLEDGE BASE" to get my information, rather then reading thru endless pages of forum postings that become derailed with arguments over the proper classification of planets.

URL: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4799

If that doesnt work you can look under LAND and then Information for Landowners then Age Verification Parcel and Estate Management Features.

The Knowledge Base currently tells me it is my responsiblity to ban my neighbors who are not age-verified from my parcel that contains adult material.

I HAVE to put up banlines. Regardless of if you can cam in or fly in or teleport in. It's my responisblity, I HAVE to set my land as restricted to non age-verified accounts.

Old news, and of course it doesn't define "adult" or "particularly sensitive". Plus...

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3671

If you put up banlines to restrict access to a particular group or list of avatars, which is the normal case, then you can't use age verification.

Nope, it sure doesn't, it just tells me that its my responsiblity to expressly restrict access to the non age-verified and leaves me with the responsiblity to determine what adult and sensitive are.

Rather then trying to guess, it's easier to just put up the banlines and keep myself from being AR'd. I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way.

Completely flawed, unworkable and easy to get around as it is, that's the system that's in place and my only weapon to defend myself from being AR'd for having adult content on a mature parcel.

Someone let me know when they've fixed all this and I will happily take down the banlines.

But putting up banlines won't keep you from getting prosecuted, unless your entire build is in the access controlled area and is not visible from the ground.

My entire land is restricted, my build is 3500ms up. Well, what's left of it, I downgraded as soon as all this stupid "Pornland" fiasco started.

If I can still be "prosecuted" for having adult material on my land, by that I'm assuming you mean I can still be AR'd? If I get AR'd for having my adult content and that AR results in a suspension or ban from the platform then all of this "We're only moving the businesses and the residents can keep thier bdsm skyboxes" is a lie. Not that a lie from the mouth of LL would surprise me.

If by "prosecuted" you mean I could face legal charges for exposing a minor to adult material, then I would also say that it would be a hell of a case considering that I have been following the Knowledge Base, TOS and CS to the letter.

I'm doing exactly what LL is telling me to do. LL has told me I must put banlines on my property because I have sensitive adult material there. They didn't tell me I couldnt have adult material, just that I needed to be sure to put up banlines if I did.

Prosecute away.

Wow you must have some pretty hard-core porn on your land then.

Without a clear definition of "adult" or "sensitive" I feel I am being responsible as well as cautious.

Which is why LL really needs to move the different rated sims to their own continents. There wouldn't be the higher level of AR/prosecution risk if all the neighboring sims are the same rating. A non-age verified person on a PG sim couldn't just cam into your build in a neighboring mature sim and complain because you're doing the pixel pump with your partner.

If it wasn't that I was used to the corporate mentality, I'd ask if LL ever really thought things through before opening cans of worms.

This one is easy to answer;

No, they don't.

well before they opened the can lindens would need to segregate the thin worms, long worms and fat juicy wriggly ones...

in addition you'd have to define it was a can and not a tin....

Personally I would lean toward making a common sense judgement rather than taking it to an extreme just to make a point.
Out of curiosity... when you say you put up ban lines did you restrict all public access or just turn on the age verification controls?

In other words, you have no ban lines around the actual build. Someone standing on the ground can cam into the build, and you can't tell if they're age-verified by any of the APIs provided by Linden Labs.
No, I mean that since Linden Labs supposedly gives you the ability to control access by minors you're theoretically subject to prosecution for not keeping minors out.
All that stuff is just to protect Linden Labs.
Obviously he only turned on age verification, since turning on anything else turns off age verification.

Except none of that makes a difference at 3500 meters.

SVC-205 would, though.

(or did he mean 3500 milliseconds?)

It's not obvious at all. He never said which he did. All he said was he put up banlines. He could be thinking that by restricting everyone he is keeping out non-age verified people.

I'm assuming he's as intelligent and well informed as he wishes us to believe.

And what circumstances are those? I have always defended the right of the property owner to exclude anyone for any reason, even if it is a blanket ban.

I pay for the "land". I am responsible for the content on the land as high as I can build. I should be able to ban trespassers as high as I can build.


Property ownership is one of the most basic of all human rights. For you to claim my property, even for a second, you are saying you have a claim upon the fruits of my labors and make me your slave.

well Id ask if you have anti aircraft rockets stationed on your real life property but knowing you you probably do...

lol

but heres a note to all sl users Norse dont want you on his property - i'd suggest like for like and ban him... Im sure he'd agree with your right to shut him out.....