Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please....

Yes, sir, Mr Causby.

Pie

If you're 3500m up, banlines aren't helping you.

And I think you are being WAY too paranoid. You don't "have" to do any of that. Remember, LL "requires" all residents of the main grid to be 18 or older.

You might want to move to Ursula, though, even if your Adult content is for "private use". I think a lot of people are going to be doing that.

Chris, I'm all for property rights. But what about right of passage? Nation states claim sovereignty over their airspace, and the surrounding waters out to some specified distance...but those rights are not generally accorded to individual citizens.

If they were, think of the chaos. Planes trying to thread their way through the sky while avoiding flying over the land of antisocial curmudgeons...er, sort of like the situation in SL.

SL has this additional problem. In RL, the airspace is not generally usable by individual citizens, unless you are in the habit of lofting a tethered balloon over your house. In SL, the house itself can be up there. This makes the conflict between the landowner's rights and the desire of the aviator or sailor for free passage more acute.

My solution is simple: I don't put up banlines or security orbs and I let people fly over my land and sail my little bit of waterway. If someone I Really Don't Like comes by, I might take individual action to freeze/eject/ban...but I've only had to do that once.

oh dear ....

tried again in the TARDIS flying at 500 metres...

(for those who don't know the TARDIS is a box made up of less than 30 prims) First of all decided to stop and look at a rather stylish sky box ...

BIG MISTAKE...bam !!! sent home by a security orb...

Tried again, this time crashed hitting a region boundary...


Currently sitting immobilised at the bottom of the sea in Thallo ( glub glub)

please send a life boat someone...

Dunno about Pie, but I'm in a similar situation on a few parcels that I'm trying to get moved to Ursula. So, yeah, I smutted them up as best I could and slapped IDV age restricted access on them until LL decides they're Adult enough to have to move. I'm sure it's inconvenient for low-flyers and neighbors, and I wish I didn't have to do it, but I don't know another way to make sure LL doesn't take away the content freedoms I thought I bought with the land. But that's a whole different skein of threads.
This is why I really believe that setting whitelist banlines should only be possible for people who've passed a mandatory training class in how little effect the stupid things have. I'm sure that a huge percentage of banline "protected" parcels are simply mistakes.

I'm with you on banlines, Maelstrom. In addition to the flying hazards, they are just plain ugly on the ground.

There are new residents on the sim where I live who put up banlines, but these are particularly weird looking - the banlines sort of intersect into what looks like a maze. I don't know if they have their land parceled and each parcel has a set of banlines, but it's the craziest configuration I've ever seen.

Chris Norse say - Property ownership is one of the most basic of all human rights. For you to claim my property, even for a second, you are saying you have a claim upon the fruits of my labors and make me your slave.''

So in real life you are able to stop aeroplanes and balloons from flying over your property? well done you. Just because someone wants to fly over land you own does not mean they are 'claimng' your property - what a ridiculous thing to say.

And as for whoever suggested sticking to the roads - do aeroplanes do that in real life? No they don't. I am all for reasonable security - I own land and a house. My land has no security - people may roam freely. I can change the settings so they cannot dump stuff on my land, and I can ban people I don't like. My house has a door - which as it's own security - and does not allow anyone in to my property who is not authorised by me. Surely this is enough!

In real life I would be able to fly my balloon freely - so why can't I here? I hit a security orb which gave me 2 whole seconds to leave and by the time I'd read that I was who knows where. Thanks to all who have said I can report this as grief - I will do.

I believe in live and let live - we are all here in this world to get along. If I fly my balloon I quite frankly couldn't care less waht you do on your land - or when. All i want is to be able to enjoy what I have paid for without infringing on anyones privacy.

It has to be said - a lot of people use orbs and ban lines sensibly and reasonably. But there are many more who don't - and something needs to be done about it.

/me dispatches a team of Somali Pirates to come pick you up.

Thanks Czari

flying is one great way of looking at the builds in sl and exploring in general.

Despite what the likes of Chris Norse would have you believe Im not here to make a nuisance , intrude on peoples privacy (although being a builder myself Im fascinated to see what techniques people use to build, the textures they use etc.)

I love to show off the stuff Ive made in sl and cant understand why anyone else would not want people to see their homes , furniture etc.

I'll leave if Im disturbing anyone and dont need ban lines or security orbs or any other LEGITIMISED GRIEFING TOOL (and lets face it thats what these things are) to force me out.

Im amazed that Lindens do nothing to improve the 'exploring experience' over the whims over a few territorial dinosaurs....

lol - love it !!!

I have to agree with Chris Norse on this one. I don't have ban lines around my property but I DO have a security orb. Honestly I don't care about people that want to fly overhead in balloons, planes, helicopters or whatever. But I DO have a problem with people wandering thru my bedroom when I have a friend over. I DO have a problem with coming home & finding someone else having sex in my bed (even if it's only virtual & the sheets stay clean).

I paid for the land, house & furnishings & it's not for everyone else's free use. I've given many tours of my house to strangers but I don't care to do it when I'm in my playroom having fun with someone else.

I don't think it's antisocial of me or that I'm weird because I want strangers to stay outa my damn house! I feel the same in RL but there I can call the police and/or bring out my Ruger GP100. In SL I have to settle for a security orb.

PS - How is it griefing if I have a security orb? IMO it's griefing for strangers to walk thru my house when I'm entertaining company & start asking stupid questions, wandering around & interrupting my fun. Griefing is going out of your way to harrass or bother someone else for the fun of it. I'm not going anywhere when I'm in MY house. Idiots walking thru my place & treating it as their own are the griefers.

and what if everyone decided to ban you Maggy... and everyone decided to put a ban line up...

or a security bot which caused indiscriminate crashing... I assume youve been knocked out of sl and had to wait to get back in ??

I don't ban anyone & I don't have a security bot that'd cause people to crash. I simply want some privacy in the house that I paid for & I don't think that's weird or wrong. My security orb is set to just push people out of the area of my house.

Would you really be ok with strangers wandering thru your house even if they couldn't take anything? Sorry but I'm a very friendly person but I DO have limits. And I don't like people looky looing thru my house RL or SL. My house is mine to relax in, change clothes in, have sex in & whatever else I choose to do. It is NOT every idiots right to treat it as their own. That's RUDE IMO & very presumptive of them to feel they have that right.

I'm fine with people flying over or fishing on my dock but stay outa my house!

It's griefing if your security orb:

* Spams me on my land when I get close to the border.
* Trashes my plane if I fly overhead.
* Orbits me on my own land, using physical attacks.
* Is placed at the end of my runway, and moved to stay there when I move my runway where you ask me to move it.

What I'm getting at is that if a griefing tool has the name "security orb", then Linden Labs will do nothing, no matter how screwed up it is.

A security orb won't get you any privacy.

Voting for SVC-205 might.

Your privilege, Maggy. As you point out, you're paying the bills. But I take a different approach. I like meeting people who wander through. Even if it's into my house. Most of them are pleasant and interesting.

If I come home and find someone having sex in my bed, I might have a seat and critique their technique. Or suggest a couple of menu choices they might have missed. Or if I don't need the place myself, just wish them a happy time and go elsewhere.

Or if it's some guy who has brought his date to my place to "impress them with his house", I'll IM the date and tell her just what a creep she's hooked up with.

If someone is rude enough to wander in while *I* am entertaining a guest, I can have fun with Freeze/Taunt/Eject.

Hey...SL is a social interaction thing. If you keep everyone out, where's the fun in that?

Maggie - get doors on your house with security scripts - that way no one can wander in at all

Argent, yes it could be considered griefing if someone's security orb isn't set properly & does the things you describe but not all owners set them to do those things. Therefore, not all security orbs & their owners are griefers. My orb is set up only to attempt to give me some privacy in my own home.

If you have a better idea of something that I can use/do NOW then please let me know. I realize the orbs aren't perfect but they're a tool & the only one I know of right now that semi-works. A ban list won't work because I have no idea what the name/s of the next "Goldilocks" will be.

Actually the doors are useless. All someone has to do is click to sit on a poseball inside the house and *poof* there inside for a little fun and frolick.

Cully, yes I need to mess with my house doors & get those locks working. Thank you for the reminder. Of course we all know that people can get into your house anyway (as Bradley pointed out) but locks do help a little bit & keep some people out.

Lindal, honestly I AM a friendly person & do like talking & interacting with others. But I guess I'm territorial about my house vs strangers - especially when they wander in to take a tour at the wrong time. Again, I've given many tours to friends & strangers alike but I like to choose the time. I prefer to be the one opening the door & allowing people in.

I wouldn't have a problem with security orbs if they are used properly. Generally I see that as not being the case. It's very rare that I g et more than 5 or 10 seconds to get off the property. That's next to impossible when I have to look down and see where the property line is. It's not always obvious.

I don't understand the need for security so seriously, but that''s cool, I just wish more people used the orbs effectively.

Sorry, but LSO systems are quite a bit better than some of the methods I've seen ....

Such as a single plot of mainland with damage enabled, an auto-turret at ground level and auto-killers above the maximum range of the turret.

THAT, is extreme.

Google this

There is a user within SL who has created a door system - for personal use - that has a sensor on the inner face. How they did this, I do not know ...

This is the net effect: If you are outside, you remain unharmed, of you click the door, you are given a warning .... if you force your way inside, you're teleported home - even if you are a Linden (yes, I have seen this in action: even the rare Stealth Linden).

They do not sell this system of their's simply because it is a fringe legal system.