Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please....

That would be great. It would eliminate the need for orbs and banlines IMO.

Awesome set up. BTW, land has recently been for sale In Jessie at reasonable prices.

Hi Chris : )

I just want to know how you fly around so much stuff in the air anyway? I mean I guess things like balloons that are slow. I think for anything faster you would really need to stick to some of those private islands that do not allow sky boxes below a certain level.

My thought, as well, since in my home sim (Mainland) there're skyboxes starting quite low and littering the sky up to just about 4096 meters.

Tested this. I banned my idiot neighbors who have their land set to access by only the few avis on their list, and set restriction for age verified only. Created a non age verified alt, and no dice getting into my parcel. i got the following message:

NotAgeVerified is missing from alerts.xml!

Oh, those orbs are "set properly" as far as the users are concerned.

My point isn't that a sufficiently tightly programmed and restricted "security orb" is going to be used as a griefer tool, it's that the demand for such tools is what lets people get away with virtual murder, and what Linden Labs needs to do... NEEDS to do... is to give people real privacy and security, through something like SVC-205... so that asshats can't keep on hiding their abusive devices behind the claim that they're "security orbs".

Spending a year of my spare time writing a flight script for my "Moewe" that's aerobatic and easy to use.

So your land was still public access. It's when you set it *not* public access (access to only these specific avatars or group) that the problem shows up.

I don't know what a "Moewe" is, but I would be interested to see.

I'm just going to clarify here a bit then I'll stop bothering.

1. I'm a female IRL. I realize my love of porn makes me seem a bit masculine, but God gave me this vagina, not Xcite.

2. I realize that banlines do not prevent anyone from camming or TPing or seeing into my property. That's not my concern or my point. LL tells me that because I have content that could be considered particularly sensitive or adult in nature, that LL considers it my responsiblity "to expressly ban adults who have not verified their ages".

You'll note the specification is that I ban adults. I am not responsible for keeping minors out of Second Life.

3. Eli: I restricted access to my parcel to age-verified accounts.
Also, to me, buying land labeled "Mature" was me making a common sense judgement about how I would live my Second Life. Linden Lab thinking they would eliminate adult content from the Second Life persona after the fact by moving businesses to an entire new continent would be taking things to the extreme to make a point.

4. Lindal: I realize very much that at 3500 meters up banlines do not work. I realize that anyone can cam into my property at any time. This is why I have never bothered with banlines of any kind except on an individual basis. I want to be moved to Pornland, believe me, but since I'm not the one making all these changes, I don't think I should have to foot the bill. My land is set to show as having adult content, restricted to age-verified accounts and listed in Search Places under Adult in the vague hope that I get moved.

My point is very specifically this:

The knowledge base and Linden Lab's current policies and future plans for the handleing of adult content on the mainland says very specifically that because I have content that could be considered of a particularly sensitive or adult nature, it is my responsiblity to put up banlines that restrict access to my property to age-verified adults.

It doesn't matter if they(banlines) work or not - they very rarely do at keeping out anyone you really mean to keep out on the mainland. It doesn't matter if age-verification works or not - it hasn't consistently or reliably since it's been in beta, which I believe it is still in. It doesn't matter if I probably don't need to worry because my content isn't really that sensitive or adult in nature.

It only matters to me that Linden Lab has handed me this responsiblity, and as a responsible porn-loving resident, I'm going to do what I've been told to do and put up banlines.

I hate banlines. but I have to have them. Not for some idea that I will have more privacy, not to keep people from being able to happily fly over my land, not to imagine that it will prevent anyone from seeing or using my stuff. But only because recent policy changes and future changes say it is my responsiblity to do so.

Banlines suck plus they don't really work. But if I have them in place I don't have to worry about getting an AR for the content of my parcel. So until LL moves me to Pornland... I'm sorry but the banlines stay.

You can try it out... there's a demo at Skyhook Station (see link in my sig).

To do that, you have to put your ENTIRE "sensitive or adult build" no more than about 15 meters of the ground, because that's the entire volume that is protected by that restriction, otherwise those banlines are not actually restricting access to your property, as required by that KB entry. If you want to be protected by having those banlines, then either adding a security orb that detects unverified residents or putting the property you want to restrict access to within that region is absolutely necessary if you don't want to get ARed... by your logic.

Argent, please point me to the reference to where on my property and at what height my build must be to be within the guidelines of the current Knowledge base.

The article says you must restrict access to the property in question. It's your responsibility to figure out how to do that. If you take actions that do NOT restrict access to the content you're supposed to be restricting access to, then why on earth would you assume that those actions protect you from an AR?

Can I get a link to the article in question? I hadn't heard that I am now supposed to restrict access to any content on my land. They still haven't put out a defination of what content might need such careful handling have they?

Well gosh, silly me for assuming that I should be using the property tools provided by Linden Lab.

If Linden Lab can't provide me with the tools necessary to be compliant with their rules, maybe they should be re-thinking the way they write the rules.

That's crazy talk! They start rethinking bad decisions and who knows where they'll end up?

The article then goes on to explain specficially how to use Parcel and Estate tools to set up these restrictions.

To me, that means I have to put up banlines. Your interpretation may vary, but until we get a clearer guidelines from our beloved service provider, I'm going to go with mine.

This is the original KB article they put out when they came up with the original "age verification" tools.

Yes, but it doesn't say where you have to put your content to be protected by those banlines. That's left for you to figure out... and experimentation will determine that it doesn't include your skybox at 3500 meters.

The only scheme anyone's come up with for using the LL tools even in part to protect a skybox are:

1) Put a teleporter at the ground level inside an age-protected parcel.
2) Sitting on the teleporter puts you on the access list for your skybox's security orb.
3) Require people sit on that teleporter to access the skybox.

Technically it doesn't have to be a teleporter, it could just be a prim you sit on, but it makes sense to use a teleporter since otherwise they have to fly up there themselves after they sit.

It sort of sounds to me like you are greifing your neighbors (with ban lines that you fully understand do nothing) in order to get a free ticket to the new porn continent.

Google this

Dunno 'but Pie (again), but I am.

Except I see it as LL griefing my neighbors.

And hardly "a free ticket" but rather an extraordinarily inconvenient way for me to preserve some of the permissions I originally got when I bought the land.

The only real difference is that I put my smut at ground level, and I made it "Adult" enough that age restriction might even be prudent.

I'll be really sorry to loose you as a neighbor Qie.