Lindens can we stop this nonsense soon please....

You're not bloody listening. I'm talking about CHRIS BLOODY NORSE'S idiot fantasy in which ALL BAN LINES EXTEND TO INFINITY because CHRIS BLOODY NORSE is offended by anyone infringing on what he vapidly imagines are his property rights anywhere over his parcel.

If you can't read what I'm writing THIS TIME, I give up.

Go on Dagmar!

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Go on Dagmar!

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@Maelstrom

I see your point. But for me it is simple. I don't want to be butt ass naked in my HOME trying to find something in wear in my inventory (I have lot of clothes) and someone standing in my bedroom looking at me. I tell you what the difference is. I don't know if they are using camera to pan in my home. Since I am not aware of it, it is not bothering me. But if someone is right in front of me, yes that would bother me.

Like you feel you have right of passage on other folks land, well I feel I have a right to limited access INSIDE my home. THAT is why I have the orb. If people just wouldn't walk in my home uninvited, then I would NOT have a problem.

By the time I look up their name and add them to my ban list, the orb would've moved them away from my house. I allow 30 seconds that is more than enough time for one to hike their ass out.

Out of 65532 sqm of my sim, about 6000 sqm is allocated for my home. That leaves you 59532 of airspace of uninterrupted flying and if you cross into my personal space and you are paying attention, you have 30 seconds to either fly through my 6000 sqm of personal space or turn in another direction. SIMPLE!

As for as banlines, I am neither for nor against. I see both sides. I have taken them down at my mainland property. As far as horseback riding goes, yes the banlines can be an annoyance but I don't go around demanding that I have the right of passage because I horseback ride as some folks do who enjoyactivities such as flying. I just don't horseback ride in those areas.

The beef here is with those that have banlines and those who have their orb set to 10 or 15 seconds. As I stated previously comments from other threads prompted me to increase the time.

My setting the timer for 30 seconds is enough I believe. I am sorry orbs affect others sl experience. But the lack of consideration from others affect mine. I ask you who should I consider first. Now Maelstrom, if you want to pay my quarterly premium membership and my tiers I would certainly consider your sl experience over mine.

Unfortunately, once again, not everyone has access to all of the land controls Maelstrom.

At present, thanks to a friend, I d have near total access and thus don't need my LSO much anymore. However, if I did not have this access I would have set the LSO up and left it in place AND turned on.

I have nothing against the polite visitors - heck, I just got done talking to one such visitor! I have a problem with the truly rude ones, the ones who do not listen when asked - first in a polite manner, then in a blunt manner - to leave. In addition you also get those who do not speak your native tongue and thus communication can be difficult.

Your experience may be different than mine .... but I have come to the conclusion that the truly polite people and the ones who actually listen ... are few and far between.

Whoa. Argent I'm impressed.

Forget acrobatics--I can finally do a controlled turn around a point.

My new favorite toy.

And lets not forget that you sometimes can't even see the stupid ban lines, even if you're right up on them...

No, I agree, extending the ban lines up to infinity just isn't going to fly... errr... screw it, pun intended.

I don't particularly care about my privacy in SL. I'm not using my airspace, so why shouldn't the fliers be able to?

To be completely honest Solar I only ever ban people who are rude and obnoxious to me inworld, people who believe in leaving their junk without clearing it away, or people who get on my nerves here in the forum- one so far who's always come to shout about his rights regardless of anyone else while professing to want to help people in sl !!

Otherwise anyone is free to wander my land. I make my builds to show off. If anyone wants to use my sex bed they're free too...providing I can join in

Very true, everyone knows you can't trust anyone over 1.50 meter high, let alone those 2.50 meter giants

15 seconds isnt long enough?...how long do you need??

@Meagtron - I keep asking myself that same question, unless as I said in an earlier posting they are not paying any ATTENTION!

okay lets say 180 secs.....

three minutes. I think thats reasonable.

So... I should allow 3 minutes to allow for someone to for example return from the john to leave. If that is the case, why not just land at your home. I'm sticking to 30 seconds. Now if you ever fly over my sim and I have advance knowledge I will add you to the "white" list. Other than that I am not changing a thing.

Why on earth you need 3 minutes to turn in another direction. Shoot with my extremely poor navigational skills I can high tail it in 15 seconds. What are you folks doing up in the sky that you require longer than 30 seconds to execute?

Google this

You asked how much time I wanted - I told you. I was being generous.

Try piloting some vehicles especially big ones ....

and while we're at it - Whats a 'white list' ??

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That is not my problem because you choose a vessel that takes a long time to move.

The "white" list are names you can add to the orb so the orb won't move or eject them. The "black" list are those the orb immediately attacks. The delay trigger, mine is 30 seconds, allows the avie to move within 30 seconds before the orb takes action on them.

15-30sec is plenty fo time... just comes down to people not wanting to read the warning that comes up from the orbs..even have a few comeback after getting booted to get booted again cause they cant read. Plus the estate im on there is a min of 10sec for an orb and no more then 30m range so anyone trying to fly overhead doesnt have a problem

Im not saying its your problem...you asked why I wanted a long time...

I told you.

You arent happy if people dont answer your questions and youre not happy if they do

Rubbish !!

I start moving as soon as I get a warning..I dont want the hassle of crashing out or being thrown across sl or having to relog.

Youre a legitimised griefer doing no more than idiots in sand boxes do with their cages and their griefers toys.

And if you dont like it don't start saying people can't read.....

I have a friend that got himself a fancy-smancy security system and set it for zero seconds, because "People were always leaving aircraft on my land!" He lives close to a popular place to fly.

I talked to him about auto-return but he didn't want to do that, because people need to rez there, etc ...

And yet, every time I went to his place, I noticed he had all sorts of aircraft laying around his land.

I hopped in my plane and gave it a try ... flew into his land, got ejected, had to reboot and voila, there was my beloved F8F Bearcat, hanging in mid-air.

We had a conversation. Turns out, that before he got the security system, he had a total of three aircraft he found on his land in several months, and all were at the point where he has a sim crossing. It's only AFTER he got the security thing that he place looked like an airport.

He removed it, and has had a total of one aricraft found on his land in about two months.

POINT (and yes, there is one) ... its not ban lines or security orbs that are the problems ... it's people that need educated about how to use them, when to use them, and if they will cause more trouble than they are worth.

It is possible after all, to put the lines up while you are doing the dirty ... and take then down whole you are having your shower afterwards.

Sable you said - That is not my problem because you choose a vessel that takes a long time to move.

We you also have to remember that we don't automatically know exactly where the boundaries of someone elses land are - so it's not a simple question of 'hightailing' it out of anywhere. I once tried to change direction only to find I'd gone further in to someones land, rather than out of it. Going backwards is an option, even in a balloon, but you still need to have some time to work out someone elses land boundaries to make sure you move in the right direction.
Seems to me the flyers are being asked to show all the repsect. 15 seconds is not always long enough to show someone respect on their land! For the record - it's WHAT SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO DO! Unreasonable time limits set on security robs don't allow us to show you that respect!

Uggh......Maelstrom, I am quite happy with both. I just told you that is not my problem. But come to think of it, in a way you are making it my problem. You are saying you need roughly 3 minutes to change course so YOU can enjoy your flying experience. So myself and others to help you solve YOUR problem you are asking us to alter our security systems to enhance your sl experience. In the meantime, while you are flying willy nilly, enjoying your sl experience because of our accommodations, some fool on land we are having to deal with. Yes, I can ban them from my land but I don't do permabans.

To me that is a tad selfish.

So your choice vessel and the required time to navigate it should supercede mine or someone else's sl experience. Come on now?!!!

I respect that you have a different outlook and you allow greater access to your land and don't necessarily care who is doing what there. That is not a bad thing. Whatever floats the boat. But I have a different view regarding that. As I said before I will leave it at 30 seconds. If you happen to come to my sim and I know about it beforehand, I will add you so your sl experience can go uninterrupted.

Ahem ... even the multi-move type craft take less than 30 seconds to traverse a fair size parcel. There is no turning around required (unless said parcel is literally at a sim edge) to get out of range of an LSO.

Since LSO systems rely on sensors to operate .... are you trying to say it takes three minutes to traverse 96 meters if you are flying/moving in a straight line?

Google this

Ahem ... as I said earlier, move in a straight line. Unless the person has a truly large parcel and LSO systems set every 96 meters (max range for any sensor system) ... there's nothing to keep you from going out of range. even flying as just an avatar you can traverse 96 meters in about 10 - 15 seconds.