As You Like It - Men Becoming Women

Yeah, and that takes away from making SL all about Y O U. Damn us! How could we?!

Yeah, and that takes away from making SL all about Y O U. Damn us! How could we?!

Yeah, and that takes away from making SL all about Y O U. Damn us! How could we?!

But we're not sitting around hoping to entrap the next gullible noob who happens to think we're somebody we're not.

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Things people do and say only affect you if you let them, the responsibility is still yours. You have mute and the ability to tp anywhere, the effect of the fantasy of others is very much diminished, unless of course you allow yourself to be suspecible to dramas, for that there is little cure (taking about the general "you" here and not you personally, I don't know anything about you and would not care to presume).

Where do my posts say "it's all about me?"

Don't lookit me, I'm taken.

*Smiles and pats you on the head*

Sometimes it takes a little while to sink in.

Oh honey, that last quote is staggering on very thin ice over here. I hope you didn't intend it the way it came across, because how I read it, it had an additional rider of, "...that way they rest of us normal people don't have to concern ourselves with them."

1. "Turn on your mic; I want to make sure you're not a man pretending to be a woman before I talk to you or let you in my club."

2. "Turn on your mic; I want to make sure you're not a woman pretending to be a man before I talk to you or let you in my club."

3. "Turn on your webcam; I want to make sure you're not black and pretending to be white before I talk to you or let you in my club."

Spot the offensive statement. I circled 1, 2 and 3.

Not quite sure how you would verify if someone is gay or not. Voice is no guarantee, nor is webcam. We look and sound just like real, normal people, Avawyn. Just like you, in fact.

Gay people are quite normal. We love people just the same as straight people do. We just don't love the 'correct' gender, in some peoples' eyes. That's all. Doesn't mean we throw it in their faces, and it doesn't mean we should be segregated to our own little spaces so that 'normal' people don't have to look at us.

And as I was previewing my post, I spotted this further reply from you:Rider: "...but don't bring your nasty, icky, not-normal self anywhere near us, please."

I am so out of this thread.

Yes because you keep missing the point. And, I also gather you get a kick out of hurting others if you have no consideration for other's feelings? Is that funny to you too, that you got your jollies off at the expense of another?

I don't believe anything you just said. It's probably just roleplay.

If you think that causes me any problem whatsoever then you are mistaken, take it as roleplay if that is your preference.

ahh and the witch hunting begins...you know nothing about me, stop projecting.

Nope simply I found what they said funny, anything else you read is your own problem.

I'm sorry Gabriele but I don't hear any consideration of others in your posts.

by a poor gullible noob?

That's what I'm trying to express to you. Hope some of what I said sinks in.

/me sighs and tries a last time:

Listen, you say you want only men who are Really REALLY In Real Life men chatting you up in Second Life. Fine. That's your right. You're being perfectly reasonable to insist that those who enter into some kind of intimate association with you in SL be who they say they are IRL. That's settled. You following so far?

Now, where you start to go wrong is when you demand that everyone in SL take up your SL model and apply it to themselves. Those that don't, you suggest they can use a "special" area far away from the mainstream where there won't be any chance of your fantasies being contaminated by, you know, THEIR fantasies.

That's where you're steppin' wrong, girl, and no amount of crying the poor wounded and deceived victim is going to make that right. Your experiences with a few jerks are not justification for wanting to introduce segregation of those who, although guiltless of doing you personally any harm, you find useless to your purposes.

Are we clear?

I endorse this post, very well put Daros

/me sighs and tries a last time:

Listen, you say you want only men who are Really REALLY In Real Life men chatting you up in Second Life. Fine. That's your right. You're being perfectly reasonable to insist that those who enter into some kind of intimate association with you in SL be who they say they are IRL. That's settled. You following so far?

Now, where you start to go wrong is when you demand that everyone in SL take up your SL model and apply it to themselves. Those that don't, you suggest they can use a "special" area far away from the mainstream where there won't be any chance of your fantasies being contaminated by, you know, THEIR fantasies.

That's where you're steppin' wrong, girl, and no amount of crying the poor wounded and deceived victim is going to make that right. Your experiences with a few jerks are not justification for wanting to introduce segregation of those who, although guiltless of doing you personally any harm, you find useless to your purposes. End of Daros' post.

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Avawyn's response:

I made a comment that I would put mic only in my profile as I think it might be best for me in the future because I don't like this game you're talking about. I said there ARE, however, currently clubs that will accept mic only females. One who is a real transsexual was not part of this thread. It was/is about males in female avatars.

And, you haven't read my posts thoroughly and/or are not understanding what I'm trying to say. I tried to explain I brought up gay or transgender clubs for those who are hiding. Why hide? Hiding could end up hurting you or another in the long and short run.

And in SL as in RL, there will always be pockets of a type of segregation. Even in America today we have segregation within integration. Do some research on that.

I'm not trying to segregate anyone. I suggested those clubs for people who are hiding so they may begin to feel some freedom. And those clubs are segregated from me and that's cool. Sometimes, for instance, just girls want girl time. Or men want dude time. You are taking way out of proportion what I said regarding the clubs. Again, almost all clubs except hetero and homosexual couples the same way, and those roleplaying are welcomed as well, but ALL need to respect and be in a club within the SL TOS, of course. Meaning, no pushing, shoving, harassment, stabbing, for some examples. However, there are certain clubs that have restrictions and that is their right as that is their money and their land. Some I am excluded from myself and I'm fine with that because that is their money/land, etc.

My points have been: Do you have consideration about how another person might feel about this and/or how it might affect them if you don't tell them?

And, you haven't read my posts thoroughly and/or are not understanding what I'm trying to say. I tried to explain I brought up gay or transgender clubs for those who are hiding. Why hide? Hiding could end up hurting you or another in the long and short run.

Yes it could, but who are you to decide that for them? Some people prefer the fantasy over reality. You seem to be saying that the ultimate end-point of SL relationships/friendships is that it all eventually become some kind of RL relationship with disclosures and all that. That may be what you want, but most (like FD if I am not mistaken) simply want the fantasy and want to leave it that. I can't begin to count the amount of profiles that have "no real life, please" in them. Why do you think that is? All of them can't be lying about gender.

I'm not going to presume, but it seems to me that the ones who get the most angry about gender bending and transgenders in SL are the ones who are expecting a whole lot more crossover from SL to RL. Most people, gay, straight or otherwise, don't want that.

Most?

Well I've just done a survey (i asked my m and most people don't like to seperate SL and RL.