As You Like It - Men Becoming Women
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12-29-2008 13:23
From: Kelli May Good for you! And I mean that totally without sarcasm. If more people took that attitude (SL & RL, both) there'd be a lot less stress and drama. You know, most of us are here for fun, rather than sex, yet some of these dumbbells responding to this thread have more sex in the head than brains...  From: Kelli May I suppose it depends on what you mean (or what you think I mean) by being caught.
Being found iRL playing SL as a woman (what I meant).
Being found out within SL that you are really a guy. (what I suspect you mean).
I don't mind being caught either way, but some people might... the closeted TVs I referred to in my post, for example. It's mentioned in my profile several times that I'm lesbian, even sometimes in my title, but i have this in the 1st life tab: "In Second Life, I'm lesbian, and prefer women, in Real Life, I'm straight, and still prefer women, I'll leave it to you to figure that one out..... " If one still hasn't figured that out, then he really needs to get a REAL LIFE !... |
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12-29-2008 13:31
From: Wandered Miles Well looking around SL it would seem a lot of folks just want their avatar to look cute and sexy. I'm not sure what we're supposed to take from that.
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12-29-2008 14:48
From: Ricardo Harris Well, I guess this means you play an av of the opposite gender, right? It doesn't matter if he's bending the gender or not, that's his right to do what he wants with his avatar, regardless if the avatar is male or female. From: Ricardo Harris Trying to justify it with your philosopy doesn't make it any less an excuse then what it already is. Whats with you, Ricardo ??, got sex on the brain (as always), he has EVERY right to JUSTIFY his philosophy no matter which way it goes !. Judie |
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12-29-2008 15:06
From: Jig Chippewa If I get a husband I'll not let him sleep in MY bed. He can do his thing and then find his own bed. I like the idea of a room of my own. I honestly cant stand a snuffly pongy man next to me - like sleeping in a haystack. Can you imagine those hairy thighs? Right near their you-knows. Kinda like furry tennis balls rubbing next to you all night. No thanks. And taht shiffle-staffle snoring - like a horse rubbing his bum against a banjo? They also sweat.
Sex first tehn teh boot - off you go! Find your own bed, mate!
First time I slept with a man, I coldnt believe the noises he made! Honest. Like sleeping next to a sticky walrus. I soon dumped him ... err, you were saying ...? Things I've always said about men vs. women: One: Women are much better to look at... Two: Women are not covered with hair... Three: Women look far better in lingerie than men do... Four: Women are smarter.... Judie |
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12-29-2008 15:09
From: Oryx Tempel Oh yeah - and can we just lock this stupid fucking thread? No way hoo jay ! |
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12-29-2008 16:22
From: Amaranthim Talon Three different things can happen here... this Avawyn person could possibly become enlightened (doubtful), this thread could get locked (likely) or it could grow to epic proportions and implode or rival the Undying Thread- in any case- it is a glorious train wreck. The steam engine at the front of your train is running on low water... (low water in a boiler can cause explosions...) judie |
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12-29-2008 16:38
From: Daros Jewell WRONGZ! Cakes iz winnings! Spaggettee monsterz is winnings! Barney is winnszings! Mai relijun-destroying gay penii of powwers iz winningz!
You? Not so much. /me still wanna kill barney... Judie, and turning evil... |
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12-29-2008 16:55
From: Brann Georgia Avawyn, do you think you MIGHT just be taking that ancient pile of scrolls just a BIT too literally? Besides the fact that everything in the thread is OFF-TOPIC, and isn't related at all to Second Life... Judie |
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12-30-2008 13:01
From: Judie Zenovka Things I've always said about men vs. women: One: Women are much better to look at... Two: Women are not covered with hair... Three: Women look far better in lingerie than men do... Four: Women are smarter.... Judie 70% for that end of term paper, Judie. Pep (Yes, I can count)
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12-30-2008 15:07
From: Judie Zenovka Besides the fact that everything in the thread is OFF-TOPIC, and isn't related at all to Second Life...
Judie All the threads go off topic. But speaking of "As You Like It" and men playing women as they did in Shakespearean days, VH1 had a special the other night on TV and it was to vote for the top 10 rock bands of all time. Anyhow, I had a question to ask regarding transvestism and the U.K. It seemed to me after watching that special on the top 10 Rock Bands of all time that transvestism and/or bisexuality was and is a bit more accepted and even perhaps considered an art in the U.K., whereas men in the U.S. are much more fearful of this transgendered way of life or presenting themselves as such than the U.K. is. The top 10 bands that were named were (and then I'll write a little about what I noticed): 1) The Rolling Stones 2) Led Zeppelin 3) The Who 4) Pink Floyd 5) Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band 6) Queen 7) The Clash  U2 9) Black Sabbath 10) AC/DC While watching this show I noticed a lot of bands looked somewhat transgendered and/or sort of genderless altogether while some looked extremely feminine, for instance the lead of the The Who was wearing huge antique earrings and looked like he was dressed to impress both sexes to put it frankly. Queen, well that was sad to watch as you could hear Freddie Mercury's pain when he was singing "Mama, just killed a man..." I never thought of this before but I think Freddie Mercury was trying to say he was gay but wanted to kill the male self in him and would have rather been born a woman. And then the song goes on to say "wish I'd never been born at all". Watching this special with many of the lead singers looking rather transgendered got me to wondering if this is considered a more normal way of life in the U.K., considered an art form, or was it just that gays and bisexual men were getting brave enough to find their voice. It was a much braver and more creative move than the USA has ever been, albeit a bit sad because Freddie Mercury was definitely an amazing artist and singer (one of the best ever) who died of AIDS. But aside from the death of an extraordinary artist due to AIDS, is this transgendered/transvestism more acceptable in the U.K. than the U.S., or was this simply watching a part in time where "glam rock" was popular and dressing as half man/half women was cool and/or shocking and sold records? Was it a phase of a time in music? Or were people more real then and now want to push this back into the closet? Anyhow, after watching that special, I see it now as an art form and a form of expression which is what SL is, but it is also what the person is, and some are gay or are wanting to change their gender in rl. What do you think though in regards to the U.K. and the USA and how this male femininity so to speak is viewed? http://www.vh1classic.com/view/playlist/1598997/233715/VH1_Classic_All_Time_Top_10_Rock_Bands/Pinball_Wizard/index.jhtml Queen: Listen to the lyrics (amazing!) http://www.vh1classic.com/view/playlist/1598997/18187/VH1_Classic_All_Time_Top_10_Rock_Bands/Bohemian_Rhapsody/index.jhtml
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12-30-2008 18:49
Why do people keep reading weird things into the lyrics of Bohemian Rhapsody? It's really quite straightforward when you read the whole thing through... it's not much more obscure than Waltzing Matilda.
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12-30-2008 19:11
From: Argent Stonecutter Why do people keep reading weird things into the lyrics of Bohemian Rhapsody? It's really quite straightforward when you read the whole thing through... it's not much more obscure than Waltzing Matilda. For the same reason that people keep finding hidden porn in Disney animation movies.   |
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12-30-2008 19:19
It doesn't really matter where you are in the world: if a guy dresses in drag he's just as likely to get beat up on the street here as in the UK or anywhere. There are sick, violent, insecure, and bigoted people everywhere. Ask any woman in the world if she feels safer walking past a group of men in a dark parking lot in the USA or in the UK and you'll get the same answer: it doesn't matter where you are.
If someone is inclined to do you violence simply because of who you are or what you look like or your religion or gender of whatever ticks them off, it isn't particularly important what flag they live under, because these attitudes are prevalent everywhere.
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12-30-2008 19:29
From: Oryx Tempel For the same reason that people keep finding hidden porn in Disney animation movies. Oh, that one's positively subtle. Try this one for size:  There's enough obscure references in the straightforward interpretation of Bohemian Rhapsody, there's no reason to look for hidden ones. It ain't Finnegan's Wake:  |
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12-30-2008 19:32
From: Oryx Tempel For the same reason that people keep finding hidden porn in Disney animation movies.
But in that case people are right. Those bastards are evil, and they are in large part responsible for the collapse of the America Civilization, along with Walmart, Starbucks, Oprah Winfrey and The Lifetime Television Network. |
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12-30-2008 19:52
From: Brenda Connolly But in that case people are right. Those bastards are evil, and they are in large part responsible for the collapse of the America Civilization, along with Walmart, Starbucks, Oprah Winfrey and The Lifetime Television Network. I don't know about Starbucks or Lifetime. Or Walmart. But that other one is right on the money. |
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12-30-2008 20:25
From: Argent Stonecutter Why do people keep reading weird things into the lyrics of Bohemian Rhapsody? It's really quite straightforward when you read the whole thing through... it's not much more obscure than Waltzing Matilda. Uhm.. poor Matilda - wonder if she got to go waltzing after all... 
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12-30-2008 20:32
um correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there, like, a MAJOR difference between trangendered (even "looking transgendered" and androgynous? Heck, even I know there's a difference between a transvestite and a transgendered person! (A friend who's a drag queen said it was the amount of glitter they apply and where they apply it, but...)
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12-31-2008 01:12
From: Avawyn Muircastle All the threads go off topic. But speaking of "As You Like It" and men playing women as they did in Shakespearean days, VH1 had a special the other night on TV and it was to vote for the top 10 rock bands of all time. Anyhow, I had a question to ask regarding transvestism and the U.K. It seemed to me after watching that special on the top 10 Rock Bands of all time that transvestism and/or bisexuality was and is a bit more accepted and even perhaps considered an art in the U.K., whereas men in the U.S. are much more fearful of this transgendered way of life or presenting themselves as such than the U.K. is. The top 10 bands that were named were (and then I'll write a little about what I noticed): 1) The Rolling Stones 2) Led Zeppelin 3) The Who 4) Pink Floyd 5) Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band 6) Queen 7) The Clash U2 9) Black Sabbath 10) AC/DC While watching this show I noticed a lot of bands looked somewhat transgendered and/or sort of genderless altogether while some looked extremely feminine, for instance the lead of the The Who was wearing huge antique earrings and looked like he was dressed to impress both sexes to put it frankly. Queen, well that was sad to watch as you could hear Freddie Mercury's pain when he was singing "Mama, just killed a man..." I never thought of this before but I think Freddie Mercury was trying to say he was gay but wanted to kill the male self in him and would have rather been born a woman. And then the song goes on to say "wish I'd never been born at all". Watching this special with many of the lead singers looking rather transgendered got me to wondering if this is considered a more normal way of life in the U.K., considered an art form, or was it just that gays and bisexual men were getting brave enough to find their voice. It was a much braver and more creative move than the USA has ever been, albeit a bit sad because Freddie Mercury was definitely an amazing artist and singer (one of the best ever) who died of AIDS. But aside from the death of an extraordinary artist due to AIDS, is this transgendered/transvestism more acceptable in the U.K. than the U.S., or was this simply watching a part in time where "glam rock" was popular and dressing as half man/half women was cool and/or shocking and sold records? Was it a phase of a time in music? Or were people more real then and now want to push this back into the closet? Anyhow, after watching that special, I see it now as an art form and a form of expression which is what SL is, but it is also what the person is, and some are gay or are wanting to change their gender in rl. What do you think though in regards to the U.K. and the USA and how this male femininity so to speak is viewed? http://www.vh1classic.com/view/playlist/1598997/233715/VH1_Classic_All_Time_Top_10_Rock_Bands/Pinball_Wizard/index.jhtml Queen: Listen to the lyrics (amazing!) http://www.vh1classic.com/view/playlist/1598997/18187/VH1_Classic_All_Time_Top_10_Rock_Bands/Bohemian_Rhapsody/index.jhtmlPure marketing. Only in recession do unbranded goods do well. Pep (I understod Freddie's lyric was remorse because he thought he had communicated his AIDS to someone else)
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12-31-2008 01:14
From: Brenda Connolly But in that case people are right. Those bastards are evil, and they are in large part responsible for the collapse of the America Civilization, along with Walmart, Starbucks, Oprah Winfrey and The Lifetime Television Network. There was civilisation in America? Pep (Are you talking about the Incas or the Mayans perhaps? Or just Seinfeld?)
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12-31-2008 02:52
From: Pserendipity Daniels There was civilisation in America?
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12-31-2008 03:03
From: Brenda Connolly But in that case people are right. Those bastards are evil, and they are in large part responsible for the collapse of the America Civilization, along with Walmart, Starbucks, Oprah Winfrey and The Lifetime Television Network. OK, Disney rarely makes decent movies (which has been their track record from the beginning), Walmart packages with the expectation that you drive a pickup, Oprah as a trend setter is disquieting at best (the upscale Jerry Springer) and I have never, best of my knowledge watched LTN. OTOH, American Civilization? White people lying to other white people so it sounds all nice and friendly? Popular monuments in Atlanta built with KKK money? Racist historical plaques all across America, sponsored by your local friendly historical society? Geographical points still using 'squaw' because it is 'historical', when the better, more historical, less racist names are still known? Hey, I'm a white guy from Kansas, but I know better than that. Talking about American Civilization before Walmart and Disney is like talking about knowing Doris Day before she was a virgin... |
