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Brenda Connolly
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12-21-2008 18:25
From: Elora Lunasea
Hence the reason there is corned beef on a bagel. Nobody in their right mind would do this in NYC. Rye bread. Period.


Plus it would be SLICED, not thick slabs. And none of that awful yellow mustard.
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12-21-2008 18:54
Seeing this had me thinking and I've come up with a solution.

First we need to get rid of all gender based Avatars and probably race and animals and fantasy too because we don't want to offend anyone by giving the idea we support only their choice of Av. Actually let's just have a featureless sphere and make it bright green because someone might feel offended if it was like black, white, red or yellow... No blue is out too so bright dayglo green unless you feel aliens might be offended. Now this solves a lot of issues around gender and it even keeps cost down because how do you dress a sphere anyway? Now that we're all big balls we can go to balls and have a ball while balling and no one has to know or care about anything else.

One problem though... where's the sex pose balls?
Cael Merryman
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12-22-2008 00:54
From: Milla Janick
Carolina pulled pork bar-b-que!


Oh, the pork stuff. Have relations from NC. Now in Texas, where I wasted most of my early years, the recipe for barbecue starts, "First you get a cow..."

Best food is the simplest. They just started selling 82% dark chocolate at the health food store. That and a nice glass of red wine. Keep your bagels. And your barbecue.
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12-22-2008 00:59
From: Emily Darrow
Actually let's just have a featureless sphere and make it bright green

Green is against my religion.
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12-22-2008 03:37
From: Cael Merryman
They just started selling 82% dark chocolate at the health food store.
At the WHAT store? o_O
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12-22-2008 04:41
From: LittleMe Jewell
cuz we drink our tea without adding anything to it.
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I thought you dumped your tea in salt water?

I didn't know Americans drank tea - just disgusting coffee from McDonalds and overpriced foam from franchises.

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12-22-2008 05:11
I LOVE tea! XD

Black tea, green tea, Chai, jasmine, mint... Just not Earl Gray... That stuff is too... Bleagh. (>_<;)

And.. yeew @ McDonald's... I don't even know what the inside of one looks like any more. (>_<;) Really... A good fast burger is at In-N-Out. There's something about that whole slice of crunchy onion that just makes me~~.... YUMM! XD Now I'm all hungry. (T_T)

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Cael Merryman
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12-22-2008 05:20
From: Argent Stonecutter
At the WHAT store? o_O


Dark chocolate is good for your blood pressure. In so many ways.
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12-22-2008 05:23
From: Cael Merryman
Dark chocolate is good for your blood pressure. In so many ways.


And it's a vegetable. :p
Avawyn Muircastle
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12-22-2008 05:36
From: Maureen Boccaccio
And it's a vegetable. :p


I love chocolate tea with vegetable cake!
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12-23-2008 20:57
From: Avawyn Muircastle
I never said consummation was legally binding? I said that is what makes a marriage legal in that it cannot be annulled it has to go through divorce

Blatant contradiction. It's not legally binding but it's what makes it legal? News flash: No one follows a newly married couple back to their bedroom to make sure they have sex. They can live together in complete celibacy and will still be considered married.

From: Avawyn Muircastle

Protestants think of Catholics as off beat Christians who do not stand on the word of God or the Bible but rather the Pope's interpretation thereof, which can if the word of God is taken in such a way much more easily led to mysticism, the route Hilter took since Catholics (and that's about 90% of them do not read the Bible nor even care too). Their teachings are more from the Roman Catholic hierarchies than the Bible.

Funny because I've met a number of Protestants who believed Catholics were just as Christian as them. I've also met Catholics who read their bible regularly and protestants who wouldn't be able to pick out a quote from Jesus in a list but who blindly repeated what they had heard some other member of their church say the bible said. Also, the Catholic church has historically produced a massive amount of biblical scholarship so your statements are completely untrue.

From: Avawyn Muircastle



Then I added, how would sexual intercourse and the definition therein now be taught in schools also?

Oh, you're going to hate me now if you don't already because I propose that one problem with sex ed in schools is that they do only acknowledge vaginal intercourse as sex. This problem has led many students to deduce that any other form of sex doesn't count and so I knew a number of people in my school who participated in other sex acts (oral sex, anal sex, etc) but considered it fine and dandy because it wasn't real sex and they could enjoy this all they wanted and would still be virgins. Oh, and because these other sex acts weren't discussed in sex ed, they also believed you couldn't catch STD's from them. Do you want to lead children down a path of engaging in sexual activity and catching STD's by reinforcing the idea that vaginal intercourse is the only legitimate sex? I don't. Quit being so uptight and recognize reality. There are a number of ways that people have sex (including straight couples who are by no means confined to vaginal intercourse) and all of them count as sex and should be taught to kids as such.
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12-24-2008 03:50
I was ready to let this thread sink & die, but as it was back on the front page I couldn't resist. The recent mention of the Catholic church in connection with the subject brought my attention to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7796663.stm

The Pope has decided that humanity needs saving from homosexual and transsexual behaviour.
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12-24-2008 04:50
From: Kelli May


The Pope has decided that humanity needs saving from homosexual and transsexual behaviour.
I feel so... powerful. Fear me measly humans, fear me..



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12-24-2008 05:22
From: Kat Karfield
News flash: No one follows a newly married couple back to their bedroom to make sure they have sex. They can live together in complete celibacy and will still be considered married.
Considered to be married, yes, but not actually married. There's a difference. Without the physical coming together, two people are not married even though the rest of the world considers them to be so because of the ceremony and papers. The ceremony and papers are the statements and the physical union is the actual marrying of the two. They are both needed for it to be an actual marriage. Only the papers are required for the two to treated as being married by the rest of the world, but it isn't a marriage, and an anullment can change the status because it didn't actually exist.


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The Catholic church is a Christian church (it's not a matter of opinion). Whether or not a catholic person, or a protestant person, is a Christian is another matter entirely. It has nothing to do with those associations. It has everything to do with the person's actual faith.
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12-24-2008 05:33
From: Kat Karfield
Blatant contradiction. It's not legally binding but it's what makes it legal? News flash: No one follows a newly married couple back to their bedroom to make sure they have sex. They can live together in complete celibacy and will still be considered married.


Funny because I've met a number of Protestants who believed Catholics were just as Christian as them. I've also met Catholics who read their bible regularly and protestants who wouldn't be able to pick out a quote from Jesus in a list but who blindly repeated what they had heard some other member of their church say the bible said. Also, the Catholic church has historically produced a massive amount of biblical scholarship so your statements are completely untrue.


Oh, you're going to hate me now if you don't already because I propose that one


If the marriage is NOT consummated, one can seek an annulment and side step divorce. However, for a judge to consider this it would have to be within reason, such as a short time frame, not a year or more. One needs to use logic sometimes.

Quote above: "The Catholic church has historically produced a massive amount of biblical scholarship".

If the Roman Catholic church had produced a massive amount of biblical scholarship they wouldn't make claims of apostolic succession as they do because for one the Roman Catholic church has Jesus' birthday WRONG! If there was "apostolic succession" as the Roman Catholic church claims, they would have at least known Jesus' birthday! Jesus' was obviously NOT born in Winter as the sheep were grazing and and there was no room at the inn, so obviously the Holy family was traveling for one of the great feasts as laid down in the Old Testament. Most biblical scholars say most likely the Holy family was traveling during the Feast of the Tabernacles which would have been the Fall Harvest, late Summer to anywhere in early Fall. Not to mention that Jesus' birthday would change every year as it does for Passover and Easter because the Hebrews used a lunar calendar and not a solar one. The ancient GrecoRoman world used a solar calendar and most of western civilization has adopted this solar calendar. However, the reason the date Easter changes every year is because it is calculated according to the lunar calendar not the solar calendar we use. A solar calendar when compared to a lunar calendar can make the date of Passover/ Easter vary widely, as much as up to 45 days.

If the Catholic Church also had produced a massive amount of biblical scholarship that Pope in the middle ages (some 500 years ago) would never have declared that the apocrypha be considered scripture for ALL TIME all the while Catholic.org states that the apocrypha is considered to be legend and is not to be taken as the word of God.

Thus, that Pope in the middle ages has separated Protestants and Catholics forever because Protestants do not print the apocrypha nor consider it the word of God nor does the Protestant Bible include the apocrypha whilst the Catholic Bible does. And, you need to understand that Protestants are NOT kept from reading the apocrypha and making their own judgments about the writings, and you need to understand that American Catholism can have quite differing doctrines than that of the Roman Catholic church and they can choose whether to accept certain Roman declared doctrines or not.

Next, a Pope in the 1950's just decides to DECLARE that Mary Assumed into Heaven 1,950 (approx.) years after Jesus' death? :/ I'd think if Mary assumed into Heaven the Apostles would have written something about it, not to mention it looks a little off the wall to make such a declaration 1,950 approx years AFTER Jesus' death. Not to mention it's not written in scripture anywhere, not even in the Catholic Bible.

As to you last point, why would I hate you? The internet is for free speech but I don't want to go over sex ed again except to say this is what a lot of people worry about and IS a question to them in regards to this "vote". I role play differing opinions on the internet and there is no law against role playing on written forums; it's done all the time.

I would have to agree with you though that marriage should do away with consummation altogether and just make it legal once that marriage contract is signed. A couple's sex life should not involve the law except where it is against the law, such as you can't be having sex with children, etc. If consummation was taken away altogether, you completely leave sex up to the couple, and thus heterosexual couples would have to agree what sexual intercourse is to them, not how it's defined by the law, such as they are all the same and therefore a husband has a right to see them all as the same.

There are a lot of "rights" running along parallel lines here.
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12-24-2008 06:16
Avawyn, do you think you MIGHT just be taking that ancient pile of scrolls just a BIT too literally? Just because someone jotted down, quite a bit after the fact, a whole lot of hearsay doesn't make it fact.
We can't even agree on the veracity of something someone said last week, let alone thousands of years ago.

Undeniably there is a lot of excellent material and helpful tips for daily living contained in the testaments but who the heck cares when Jesus was born or what happened to Mary? The point is to celebrate their life and lessons, not nitpick when their scratched their noses or browbeat others with such "truth".

My god, the planet would be a whole lot richer if Christians stuck to "thou shalt not kill" and quit getting their panties in a bunch because someone else lights a candle on the wrong day.

Chill pill time for the lot of you.
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12-24-2008 06:29
From: Brann Georgia
Avawyn, do you think you MIGHT just be taking that ancient pile of scrolls just a BIT too literally?


That isn't how a debate is conducted. Debate what I said, not what I believe.

But I'd also say Protestants are not protesting "light" nit picky things. It's much bigger than that such as the Bible doesn't even say a pope has a right to declare things about scripture or to make up doctrines. The Bible doesn't even mention the need for a Pope at all. There were many different Judeo-Christian sects in Christianities beginnings. However, the Romans just happened to be very very rich and a huge leader of the ancient world at that time (even when they were feeding Christians to the lions), not to mention they shut out the Hebrews altogether from Rome during the time Christianity was finding it's way. And when you lose the Hebrews, you lose a lot of understanding by losing the insight of whom God chose to reveal his perfect plan through.

Another thing, God never said to do away with the great feasts as commanded by God, the Roman Catholic church did. The great feasts were a commandment!

So yeah, Protest-ants have a lot to beef about. I could mention a lot of others about the Roman Catholic church, however it's up to each person to educate themselves in their own religion.

And do I believe one can live a happy life simply by believing Jesus loves them no matter what and they don't need to study theology. Answer: Of course I do. There are silent murmurings in your heart and not every one needs to study theology to be at peace with Christ, whom Christians believe to be God manifested in the flesh, who died for the sins of the whole world, not just Hebrews, because it is written as so.
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12-24-2008 06:41
From: Avawyn Muircastle
That isn't how a debate is conducted. Debate what I said, not what I believe.
This has officially become a debate with 'rules of debate'? I thought it was a forum discussion. My mistake.
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12-24-2008 06:53
From: Phil Deakins
This has officially become a debate with 'rules of debate'? I thought it was a forum discussion. My mistake.


I'll rephrase that for Phil. It's better to conduct a discussion about what is written or said, rather than to say "Avawyn don't you think you might be taking the old scrolls too seriously...?" or however she phrased that because that has nothing to with the point nor matters one way or the other to the debate. It's better to say "Regarding what you wrote or said, I disagree 'because' _____________ fill in the blank. Debating the issues presented and not the person is a way to keep the peace, and a better way to communicate even in a relationship rather than trying to say "You just think wrong!" for example as a "fight" between a couple. It's a way to keep forums from breaking out in fights. Most forums state in their TOS debate the issue not the person. It helps to keep the peace and is a good standard to adopt but Avawyn won't hold her breath about "suggestions" to this forum. lol
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12-24-2008 07:00
From: Avawyn Muircastle
I'll rephrase that for Phil. It's better to conduct a discussion about what is written or said, rather than to say "Avawyn don't you think you might be taking the old scrolls too seriously...?" or however she phrased that because that has nothing to with the point nor matters one way or the other to the debate. It's better to say "Regarding what you wrote or said, I disagree 'because' _____________ fill in the blank. Debating the issues presented and not the person is a way to keep the peace, and a better way to communicate even in a relationship rather than trying to say "You just think wrong!" for example as a "fight" between a couple. It's a way to keep forums from breaking out in fights. Most forums state in their TOS debate the issue not the person. It helps to keep the peace and is a good standard to adopt but Avawyn won't hold her breath about "suggestions" to this forum. lol
I'll phrase this for you...

Saying something like, "Avawyn don't you think you might be taking the old scrolls too seriously...?" is every bit a valid part of discussion as anything else is. Not only that, but it fits your own criteria perfectly - that "It's better to conduct a discussion about what is written or said"; i.e. the question was about what you wrote or said.
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12-24-2008 07:08
From: Avawyn Muircastle
...Another thing, God never said to do away with the great feasts as commanded by God, the Roman Catholic church did. The great feasts were a commandment! ...There are silent murmurings in your heart and not every one needs to study theology to be at peace with Christ, whom Christians believe to be God manifested in the flesh, who died for the sins of the whole world, not just Hebrews because it is written as so.


As much as I hate debating religion, I'm compelled to respond to these two items.

Which commandment would that be, Avawyn? I don't recall anything about observing the great feasts in I through X.

Religious experience is a fact...from silent murmurings in your heart to Saul's being struck blind on the road to Damascus. But these do not negate the need to study religion. CS Lewis said some wonderful words on this point in his little book, "Mere Christianity". He points out the difference rather charmingly: A religious experience is rather like standing on the seashore and looking in awe and wonder at the ocean. It's marvelous...but it won't give you the understanding of the ocean you need to cross it. For that, you need a map.
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12-24-2008 07:10
From: Phil Deakins
I'll phrase this for you...

Saying something like, "Avawyn don't you think you might be taking the old scrolls too seriously...?" is every bit a valid part of discussion as anything else is. Not only that, but it fits your own criteria perfectly - that "It's better to conduct a discussion about what is written or said"; i.e. the question was about what you wrote or said.


What I said was truth about the Roman Catholic church. So, it should be "Avawyn, don't you think you are taking what the Roman Catholic church did too seriously?" Either way, my answer is no and what bearing does that have to anything if I say "no"?

So to answer Kat's question. My answer is "no".
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12-24-2008 07:22
From: Avawyn Muircastle
What I said was truth about the Roman Catholic church. So, it should be "Avawyn, don't you think you are taking what the Roman Catholic church did too seriously?" Either way, my answer is no and what bearing does that have to anything if I say "no"?

So to answer Kat's question. My answer is "no".
Your answer to Kat's question is fine now - except it was Brann's question ;) There was no reason to try and teach her how to debate though - especially when what she wrote was a perfect fit for your own criteria for debating.
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12-24-2008 07:32
From: Lindal Kidd
Which commandment would that be, Avawyn? I don't recall anything about observing the great feasts in I through X.
This is for Avawyn, but it's the same subject.

The Bible contains two sections - the old and new testaments (old and new covenants). The old testament was law-based, but the new testament is grace-based. In the old testament all was well if people did what was commanded - law. In the new testament all is well because of the grace of God ("Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved.";) and not through law. So the feasts are irrelevant to the new testament - new covenant - which continues to this day.
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12-24-2008 07:41
From: Brann Georgia
Avawyn, do you think you MIGHT just be taking that ancient pile of scrolls just a BIT too literally? Just because someone jotted down, quite a bit after the fact, a whole lot of hearsay doesn't make it fact.
We can't even agree on the veracity of something someone said last week, let alone thousands of years ago.

Undeniably there is a lot of excellent material and helpful tips for daily living contained in the testaments but who the heck cares when Jesus was born or what happened to Mary? The point is to celebrate their life and lessons, not nitpick when their scratched their noses or browbeat others with such "truth".

My god, the planet would be a whole lot richer if Christians stuck to "thou shalt not kill" and quit getting their panties in a bunch because someone else lights a candle on the wrong day.

Chill pill time for the lot of you.

I have been finding this all quite entertaining when I bother to read any of it- but no one has defended the ancient Roman and Greek pantheon not to mention the Norse folks - so in defense of Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and the lot of them - honorable mention :D
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