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Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 13:48
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
erm no I would not befriend a gor master LOL

I guess I am not going to try to explain it any further

one I owe no one an explanation

I tried to explain my thoughts and my ways, but apparently people are not very tolerant of my beliefs and my ways of living my life

I am not hurting anyone by choosing to not talk to them

It is not like I stand there and bash them, I just don't talk to them... so what?

do you all talk to everyone you meet????

I thought it was my right as an individual to live my life (be it SL or RL) the way I choose, but I guess I was wrong... it seems I have to live it the way that others want me to...

*shrug*



it's the reasoning BEHIND that's being questioned, at least by me anyways.
and maybe i'm an odd duck, but yes, i do talk to all i meet, if i'm not afk.
Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 13:48
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
that is your opinion and I personally think you are being pretty darn intolerant and disrespectful of my choice of how I live my life....

Why, because I'm sad that you're probably missing out on a lot of wonderful people for no reason I can understand? That DOES seem like a shitty way to go through life to me.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 13:49
From: Ann Launay
Rha, I'm not telling you you have to do, or not do, anything. I just genuinely don't understand. If I approached life - real or Second - the way you've said you do, I would be dreadfully unhappy all the time. It obviously makes sense to you but, for me, it's like being told the square root of 144 is 17...does not compute.



then my way is not for you, anymore so than your way is for me

but you do not see me here questioning you on how you choose to live your life

I do not understand your choices but I am not questioning them, that is your right to live your life how you choose and to try to get to know everyone if that is your choice

I am actually quite happy in my SL and RL

I live them both pretty much the same and that works for me

(I am very much a loner in both lives, and I like it that way)
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 13:50
From: Ann Launay
Why, because I'm sad that you're probably missing out on a lot of wonderful people for no reason I can understand? That DOES seem like a shitty way to go through life to me.


and to me trying to get to know everyone you meet is a pretty shitty way to go through life and seems desperate to me... but that is only how I see the other side of the coin
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
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12-17-2008 13:50
From: Soji Slade
Thank-you :)

I do not often in my vampire specific skin for a simple, though strange, reason: the store is closed now, and I forgot to buy the male skin.

I'm a shape-shifter and I was experimenting with the female form when I was in the store. I haven't been in female form in a long time (about 6 months).



Hard to see in the picture, but my vampire also has long ears.
My AV started out with elfin style ears too (though they were never as long as a lot of elves you see around), they stayed until after my turning was played out and then when I revamped (lol) my shape I turned them to be more human looking.

From: Soji Slade



I am not certain that I could recreate this look, now that I look at these pictures.
Then don't recreate it, I am sure if you have the talent to have put all these great avs together, your next vampire av would be just as good if not better :)
Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 13:59
From: Rhaorth Antonelli

I do not understand your choices but I am not questioning them, that is your right to live your life how you choose and to try to get to know everyone if that is your choice

You volunteered the information that got this started...if you didn't want to talk about it, maybe you shouldn't have. You could also consider my curiosity a bit of a compliment. If I disliked you or thought you were a bad person, I wouldn't care why you believed the things you believe.

From: Rhaorth Antonelli
and to me trying to get to know everyone you meet is a pretty shitty way to go through life and seems desperate to me... but that is only how I see the other side of the coin

I don't try to get to know everyone I meet, but I don't discount the possibility that we might end up being friends somewhere down the road either, especially based on what amounts to disliking their hairstyle.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 14:01
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
the thinking is.....

If I see someone that looks, or acts, or talks a specific way, that gives me an insight into their persona (be it the real them or a role they are playing) and that persona is one that I do not care to know, for whatever reason... I am not going to waste their time or mine, trying to get to know them

If that means I may end up losing out on a friendship, so be it, because in my thinking, the chance of a friendship, based on my first impression, is slim to none

(that is not to say it doesn't happen, there are exceptions to every rule, I have non human friends in SL, I just do not go out of my way to try to strike up a friendship with folks that I feel I will have nothing in common with)

my RL is the same way

If I see someone that is say listing to Rap music, I know that is one thing we will not have in common, and chances are, the rest of their interests and mine are not going to mesh... so will I go out of my way to try to get to know the person... nope

does it mean I disrespect them? nope
does it mean I am intolerant? nope

I respect their choices, and I am tolerant of their lifestyle, but that doesn't mean I have to get to know them or become their friend...



ummm:
prejudice:   
1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

and no i'm not using the word in the racial racial sense. you are prejudging people based on a standard set in your mind, without getting to know that person.

on your comment about rap music, that's just one thing you don't have in common. what if the person is an artist? likes to write poetry? loves sappy romances? has a thing for shoes? is a photo shop expert? has other things you both have in common, but you will never know because you seen ONE thing that you don't like?
Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:04
From: Ann Launay
You volunteered the information that got this started...if you didn't want to talk about it, maybe you shouldn't have. You could also consider my curiosity a bit of a compliment. If I disliked you or thought you were a bad person, I wouldn't care why you believed the things you believe.


I don't try to get to know everyone I meet, but I don't discount the possibility that we might end up being friends somewhere down the road either, especially based on what amounts to disliking their hairstyle.



ah now you are putting words into my mouth

I never said I discount the possibility of a future friendship, I simply said I do not go out of my way to try to make a friendship happen

(they do happen if they are met to)

now... think about it... those you do not choose to strike up a conversation with, why do you choose to not do so?

(and I do not mind discussing it, I just dislike the label being plastered on me that I am an intolerant bad person, because I choose to not associate with specific people, for reasons of my own)
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Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 14:05
From: Ann Launay
Maybe so, but it seems like a pretty shitty way to go through life.
My 2c:

Using a single trait as a basis for judging that another person has nothing to offer you in any kind of way, may not necessarily be intolerant (though it could be a good indicator), it is most certainly a blinkered, narrow minded point of view.

It does make me wonder what happens when such people first talk to someone in IM for whatever reason and that person has no indication on their profile of how they are living their SL.
They could be talking to a furry, gorean, unicorna or basically anything.
Also, How do they handle going to a social situation where they did not realise that all kinds are welcome? What if one of THEM tries to strike up a friendly conversation? Are they just ignored? Told to go away etc.?
Another scenario, you want to buy a piece of land, rent a shop or just purchase goods from a shop. The people who you would not normally talk to might be the seller or vendor, though you may not know it at that time. What lengths do they go to, to ensure they don't do business with such people? After all would it not be hypocritical to not worry about it when convenient to do so? Should they not be diligently making sure that people who have nothing to offer them, truly are not offering them anything?

Whilst they are within their rights to behave that way, I certainly agree with you Ann that there are definitely better ways (in my opinion) to approach a Second Life.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:08
From: Moesha Yakubu
ummm:
prejudice:   
1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

and no i'm not using the word in the racial racial sense. you are prejudging people based on a standard set in your mind, without getting to know that person.

on your comment about rap music, that's just one thing you don't have in common. what if the person is an artist? likes to write poetry? loves sappy romances? has a thing for shoes? is a photo shop expert? has other things you both have in common, but you will never know because you seen ONE thing that you don't like?


and I already said that if it means I am prejudice then so be it, I am... I am not arguing that

and again, WE ALL DO IT, even if we do not want to admit it

you see someone down and out on their luck in RL, standing on the street corner, begging for money... what is your first impression?
you see someone walking down the street dressed in a businessness suit, talking business on the cell phone... what is your first impression?

which one are you more likely to want to get to know better?

(the above are extreme examples)


as for the rap music comment, that was a very simplified example

maybe this all stems from the fact that I am a loner, I choose to be alone, I choose to not have a ton of friends (in RL and SL)

and those who are my friends, they are true solid friends not just acquaintances ... people I got to know, and share many many things with
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:11
From: Gabriele Graves
My 2c:

Using a single trait as a basis for judging that another person has nothing to offer you in any kind of way, may not necessarily be intolerant (though it could be a good indicator), it is most certainly a blinkered, narrow minded point of view.

It does make me wonder what happens when such people first talk to someone in IM for whatever reason and that person has no indication on their profile of how they are living their SL.
They could be talking to a furry, gorean, unicorna or basically anything.
Also, How do they handle going to a social situation where they did not realise that all kinds are welcome? What if one of THEM tries to strike up a friendly conversation? Are they just ignored? Told to go away etc.?
Another scenario, you want to buy a piece of land, rent a shop or just purchase goods from a shop. The people who you would not normally talk to might be the seller or vendor, though you may not know it at that time. What lengths do they go to, to ensure they don't do business with such people? After all would it not be hypocritical to not worry about it when convenient to do so? Should they not be diligently making sure that people who have nothing to offer them, truly are not offering them anything?

Whilst they are within their rights to behave that way, I certainly agree with you Ann that there are definitely better ways (in my opinion) to approach a Second Life.


well for me I do not go to social situations so that would not happen

and I do not base it on a single trait... one can learn a lot from how someone presents themselves (be it RL or SL)


as for the business side of things, business is business and every customer who enters my store are treated with the same respect as the other. I value my customers, however that doesn't mean that I am going to try to befriend each and every customer...
I am able to separate business from personal, and I would never dream of treating someone differently because they are different. I just do not see me becoming friends with them

I still do not see how that is so bad....

*shrug*

think me a bad person, or whatever, it just shows you are doing exactly the same thing I do... prejudging me based on the info at hand which is a tiny glimpse into who I am....
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-17-2008 14:12
Whether Rhaorth wants to run with wolves or not, I don't think it's really a productive subject. Nobody's going to win the Internet in this discussion.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:13
From: Argent Stonecutter
Whether Rhaorth wants to run with wolves or not, I don't think it's really a productive subject. Nobody's going to win the Internet in this discussion.


aha you just did!
you wins... and ty :)
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Kyllie Wylie
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12-17-2008 14:17
I have to agree too, even if I find her views odd and dont understand them I respect them, to each thier own.
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Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 14:17
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
ah now you are putting words into my mouth

I never said I discount the possibility of a future friendship, I simply said I do not go out of my way to try to make a friendship happen

Self-fulfilling prophecy...if you tell yourself X-person isn't someone you could be friends with, 9 times out of 10 you'll make yourself be right, regardless of whether you would have been otherwise.

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now... think about it... those you do not choose to strike up a conversation with, why do you choose to not do so?

Opportunity, mostly. My life is very routine and I tend to see the same people every day...new interactions are generally like 2 minute chats in the grocery checkout line, which tends not to go anywhere. Also, I have social anxiety, which has more to do with my worrying about what they think of me than the other way around...I get nervous, I clam up.

It's kind of funny - and is probably influencing my perception of your stance on this issue - but I've had numerous close friends tell me they thought I was a bitch or a snob when we first met, although I'm neither. I AM initially reserved, which can lead to that wrong first impression...if, like you, those people hadn't taken a chance on 'wasting their time' getting to know me, there would have been some great friendships that never were.
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 14:23
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
and I already said that if it means I am prejudice then so be it, I am... I am not arguing that

and again, WE ALL DO IT, even if we do not want to admit it.....

yes, we do, but to write someone off completely based on appearance is wrong.
you are well within your rights to do so, but why?

you see someone down and out on their luck in RL, standing on the street corner, begging for money... what is your first impression?....

that they are down on their luck, and if i have it i'll give them a few dollars or tell them about the various services that can help them, IF they want the help.

you see someone walking down the street dressed in a business suit, talking business on the cell phone... what is your first impression?

that they are conducting business?

which one are you more likely to want to get to know better?....

both actually.

(the above are extreme examples)...

yeah, i got that :P

as for the rap music comment, that was a very simplified example...
but very telling.

maybe this all stems from the fact that I am a loner, I choose to be alone, I choose to not have a ton of friends (in RL and SL)....
again no one is disputing this.

i'm not saying you don't have the right to associate with whomever you choose to, but be careful of how you word your reasoning behind your choices.
Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 14:24
From: Gabriele Graves
Personally I like to find my food pleasing ;)


o.o! ummm no eat teh kitty okies?

i cause gas! :D
Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 14:25
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
well for me I do not go to social situations so that would not happen

and I do not base it on a single trait... one can learn a lot from how someone presents themselves (be it RL or SL)


as for the business side of things, business is business and every customer who enters my store are treated with the same respect as the other. I value my customers, however that doesn't mean that I am going to try to befriend each and every customer...
I am able to separate business from personal, and I would never dream of treating someone differently because they are different. I just do not see me becoming friends with them

I still do not see how that is so bad....

*shrug*

think me a bad person, or whatever, it just shows you are doing exactly the same thing I do... prejudging me based on the info at hand which is a tiny glimpse into who I am....
I just want to be clear here. I was speaking about the issue that was being discussed, not talking about Rhaorth personally.

Actually I had thought I was clear in my approach to that but apparently not.
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12-17-2008 14:26
From: Moesha Yakubu
o.o! ummm no eat teh kitty okies?

i cause gas! :D
Missing the point yet again Moesha?

Pep (Gabriele doesn't *eat* her food . . .)
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Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 14:26
From: Moesha Yakubu
o.o! ummm no eat teh kitty okies?

i cause gas! :D
*laughs* I have eaten many kitties, all of them scrumptious! :) VV
Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:27
From: Moesha Yakubu

i'm not saying you don't have the right to associate with whomever you choose to, but be careful of how you word your reasoning behind your choices.


the same can be said about how the responses are worded that are directed at me

I am presuming folks are not meaning to attack me or to belittle me, however some of the comments feel that way (again I am presuming they are not meant to be)

*shrug*
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


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Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 14:28
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Missing the point yet again Moesha?

Pep (Gabriele doesn't *eat* her food . . .)
Oh shush you, we call it eating all the same.

Gabs (Pep isn't up on all the lingo ;) )
Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 14:28
From: Gabriele Graves
I just want to be clear here. I was speaking about the issue that was being discussed, not talking about Rhaorth personally.

Actually I had thought I was clear in my approach to that but apparently not.



being the whole topic seems to be about me and my choices I just presumed you were directing it at me

sorry...
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They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 14:30
From: Argent Stonecutter
Whether Rhaorth wants to run with wolves or not, I don't think it's really a productive subject. Nobody's going to win the Internet in this discussion.
Hmmm surely none of the opinion threads are really very productive?
Only the ones who are asking question for which there are concrete and definitive answers are getting something productive produced I would suspect, no?
Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 14:31
From: Argent Stonecutter
Whether Rhaorth wants to run with wolves or not, I don't think it's really a productive subject. Nobody's going to win the Internet in this discussion.


agrees, but wow.

ok, i'm out.

besides, YOU startin to look edible and this kitty is hungry.

hmmmmm..
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