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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 12:47
From: Ann Launay True, but I'll refer you back to something I said earlier:
While I've certainly succumbed to the impulse at times myself, I just don't think it's OK to excuse ourselves from being shallow due to 'human nature.' It's a cop out. I do not consider myself shallow because I choose not to associate with someone based on how I perceive them (be it their avatar, their actions, their speech, or whatever) I am not going to waste my time trying to get to know someone that, from my first impression, gives me the impression that I will have nothing in common with them there is the rare times that it does happen where we hit it off, and in those times, usually the person is "trying on" a different look, to get a feel for it, and ends up not liking it... which in turn solidifies my feeling of... if they are being that kind of being in SL, then their interests and my interests just won't mesh... I have nothing against folks who choose to be something other than human, that is their choice, just as it is my choice to be human, and my choice to not become friends and hang out with a non human. I am not shallow, just smart... and picky... and don't want to waste my time or anyone elses *shrug* but you will think what you wish... I can't change that, nor will I try 
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 12:49
From: Ann Launay Forgive my confusion, but you slapped a 'QFT' on someone who basically said that they wouldn't voluntarily talk or even say hello to someone who falls outside of their preferred criteria.
That doesn't strike me as very tolerant, and it certainly doesn't indicate any attempt to discover whether that person might actually fall into the land of 'accepted.' Nope, it's "You have a furry butt...begone!" Having some reservations about someone because they do X is one thing, making that the end of the story is another. excuse me but tolerance doesn't mean I have to stop and talk to someone... or try to befriend them tolerance means I let them live their life and I live mine it sure sounds like you are being intolerant of my choices not NOT associate with someone based on my personal preferences why do you find it so hard to accept that someone might not want to associate with another based on how the one perceives the other??? (and it is not just the "furry butt" ones... there are a lot of people in SL that I choose to not associate with, for one reason or another)
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Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 12:55
From: Rhaorth Antonelli I do not consider myself shallow because I choose not to associate with someone based on how I perceive them (be it their avatar, their actions, their speech, or whatever) I am not going to waste my time trying to get to know someone that, from my first impression, gives me the impression that I will have nothing in common with them there is the rare times that it does happen where we hit it off, and in those times, usually the person is "trying on" a different look, to get a feel for it, and ends up not liking it... which in turn solidifies my feeling of... if they are being that kind of being in SL, then their interests and my interests just won't mesh... I have nothing against folks who choose to be something other than human, that is their choice, just as it is my choice to be human, and my choice to not become friends and hang out with a non human. I am not shallow, just smart... and picky... and don't want to waste my time or anyone elses *shrug* but you will think what you wish... I can't change that, nor will I try  intolerance: 1.lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc. while you do have the right to associate with whomever you please, it does not excuse the intent behind that choice. you have probably missed out on some great people because you could not see beyond the exterior of that person. THAT, no matter how you spin it, is intolerance.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 12:58
From: Moesha Yakubu intolerance: 1.lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
while you do have the right to associate with whomever you please, it does not excuse the intent behind that choice. you have probably missed out on some great people because you could not see beyond the exterior of that person. THAT, no matter how you spin it, is intolerance. however I do respect them, and I have nothing against their beliefs Tolerate and respect.... it says nothing about chatting, befriending, hanging out, getting to know better etc so... by your definition I am not intolerant, I just choose to not associate with folks that I feel I will have nothing in common with and if folks were honest with themselves, they will see that they do it too
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Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 13:07
From: Rhaorth Antonelli excuse me but tolerance doesn't mean I have to stop and talk to someone... or try to befriend them
I'm not suggesting you have to talk to and/or befriend everyone...it's the idea that you've already decided you WON'T, without ever actually meeting someone, just because you don't like their av type that I'm having trouble with. From: someone tolerance means I let them live their life and I live mine Actually, it means "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others." Which I'm not seeing...particularly that 'respect' bit. From: someone it sure sounds like you are being intolerant of my choices not NOT associate with someone based on my personal preferences Not intolerant, I just don't understand and I haven't seen anything from you that's made it any clearer. Of course, that's my problem and you aren't required to enlighten me, but that won't stop me from trying to make sense of it. From: someone why do you find it so hard to accept that someone might not want to associate with another based on how the one perceives the other??? I just think you're shutting the door too soon. *shrug* From: someone (and it is not just the "furry butt" ones... there are a lot of people in SL that I choose to not associate with, for one reason or another) "Furry butt" was just an example. 
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Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 13:10
From: Rhaorth Antonelli however I do respect them, and I have nothing against their beliefs
Tolerate and respect.... it says nothing about chatting, befriending, hanging out, getting to know better etc
so... by your definition I am not intolerant, I just choose to not associate with folks that I feel I will have nothing in common with
and if folks were honest with themselves, they will see that they do it too no it doesn't. but, by reading your responses in this and other threads similar to this, it gives a small glimpse of the person behind the keyboard. yes, you are free to choose to hang with whomever you wish, to judge by the wrappings and not the content of that person is wrong. in other words, how would you know if you don't like peanut butter if you never open the jar and taste it?
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Soji Slade
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12-17-2008 13:14
From: Gabriele Graves Your dragon is gorgeous Soji ROFL priceless Oh I don't know why not, I think you make a great vampire  Thank-you I do not often in my vampire specific skin for a simple, though strange, reason: the store is closed now, and I forgot to buy the male skin. I'm a shape-shifter and I was experimenting with the female form when I was in the store. I haven't been in female form in a long time (about 6 months).  Hard to see in the picture, but my vampire also has long ears.  I am not certain that I could recreate this look, now that I look at these pictures.
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Kyllie Wylie
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12-17-2008 13:19
From: Rhaorth Antonelli however I do respect them, and I have nothing against their beliefs
Huh? you make it sound like being a neko or furry is joining some super secret cultish orginization... I can assure you it is not. While I know some furries have a rep for overt sexual activity I have found there to be little difference between what I have experinced as a "human" vs being a "Furry Neko". In fact I fnd I get less as a Neko. What I find ironic is you would instantly befriend (or at least strike up a conversation) with a Gorean master because he looks like a nice Wasp... but if someone has cat ears and a tail they are instantly dismissed as a wierdo.
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Brenda Connolly
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12-17-2008 13:20
From: Ann Launay Forgive my confusion, but you slapped a 'QFT' on someone who basically said that they wouldn't voluntarily talk or even say hello to someone who falls outside of their preferred criteria.
And she is within her rights to do so.
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-17-2008 13:22
From: Kyllie Wylie Huh? you make it sound like being a neko or furry is joining some super secret cultish orginization... I can assure you it is not. Didn't you get the latest cult notecard? You don't have to deny the existence of the secret furry/neko cult any more.
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Kyllie Wylie
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12-17-2008 13:24
From: Argent Stonecutter Didn't you get the latest cult notecard? You don't have to deny the existence of the secret furry/neko cult any more. and whats the first rule? Shhh!
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Rioko Bamaisin
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12-17-2008 13:24
I don't understand this kind of thinking in SL. We are all humans behind the keyboard. Who cares what people wear in SL? Sl is a fantasy world. The whole point is you can be who or what you want to be. Some of my favorite people in SL are mostly non human all the time. You might be missing out on some really fantastic people with that kind of mind set...but to each their own..
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Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 13:26
From: Argent Stonecutter Didn't you get the latest cult notecard? You don't have to deny the existence of the secret furry/neko cult any more. 
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Love Hastings
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12-17-2008 13:28
I thought I was introverted, but it turns out I'm intolerant of everyone. Actually...
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-17-2008 13:30
From: Kyllie Wylie and whats the first rule? Shhh! The first rule presupposes the existence of rules before the cardinality of rules was postulated, because the first rule would not be referred to as the first rule at the time it was postulated, since there was no second rule to distinguish the first rule from, and thus the requirement of cardinality implies the existence of a non-trivial enumerable set of rules. Therefore there can be no first rule.
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Love Hastings
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12-17-2008 13:31
From: Argent Stonecutter The first rule presupposes the existence of rules before the cardinality of rules was postulated, because the first rule would not be referred to as the first rule at the time it was postulated, since there was no second rule to distinguish the first rule from, and thus the requirement of cardinality implies the existence of a non-trivial enumerable set of rules. Therefore there can be no first rule. My first reply is this.
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Moesha Yakubu
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12-17-2008 13:32
first rule: that which does not please us, is food.
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Brenda Connolly
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12-17-2008 13:33
From: Love Hastings I thought I was introverted, but it turns out I'm intolerant of everyone. Actually... She's here all week, folks. Two shows on Saturday. Try the veal.
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Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 13:34
From: Brenda Connolly And she is within her rights to do so. Maybe so, but it seems like a pretty shitty way to go through life.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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Brenda Connolly
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12-17-2008 13:39
From: Ann Launay Maybe so, but it seems like a pretty shitty way to go through life. Perhaps, but there is nothing to be done about it. As long as people don't actively try to harm others they should be allowed to carry on that way if they desire. It is becoming fashionable to try to force feed us other cultures, values and beliefs, sometimes disguised as Diversity and Sensitivity Training, but you can't make people change their values if they don't want to.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 13:39
From: Kyllie Wylie Huh? you make it sound like being a neko or furry is joining some super secret cultish orginization... I can assure you it is not.
While I know some furries have a rep for overt sexual activity I have found there to be little difference between what I have experinced as a "human" vs being a "Furry Neko". In fact I fnd I get less as a Neko.
What I find ironic is you would instantly befriend (or at least strike up a conversation) with a Gorean master because he looks like a nice Wasp... but if someone has cat ears and a tail they are instantly dismissed as a wierdo. erm no I would not befriend a gor master LOL I guess I am not going to try to explain it any further one I owe no one an explanation I tried to explain my thoughts and my ways, but apparently people are not very tolerant of my beliefs and my ways of living my life I am not hurting anyone by choosing to not talk to them It is not like I stand there and bash them, I just don't talk to them... so what? do you all talk to everyone you meet???? I thought it was my right as an individual to live my life (be it SL or RL) the way I choose, but I guess I was wrong... it seems I have to live it the way that others want me to... *shrug*
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Ann Launay
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12-17-2008 13:44
Rha, I'm not telling you you have to do, or not do, anything. I just genuinely don't understand. If I approached life - real or Second - the way you've said you do, I would be dreadfully unhappy all the time. It obviously makes sense to you but, for me, it's like being told the square root of 144 is 17...does not compute.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 13:45
From: Rioko Bamaisin I don't understand this kind of thinking in SL. We are all humans behind the keyboard. Who cares what people wear in SL? Sl is a fantasy world. The whole point is you can be who or what you want to be. Some of my favorite people in SL are mostly non human all the time. You might be missing out on some really fantastic people with that kind of mind set...but to each their own.. the thinking is..... If I see someone that looks, or acts, or talks a specific way, that gives me an insight into their persona (be it the real them or a role they are playing) and that persona is one that I do not care to know, for whatever reason... I am not going to waste their time or mine, trying to get to know them If that means I may end up losing out on a friendship, so be it, because in my thinking, the chance of a friendship, based on my first impression, is slim to none (that is not to say it doesn't happen, there are exceptions to every rule, I have non human friends in SL, I just do not go out of my way to try to strike up a friendship with folks that I feel I will have nothing in common with) my RL is the same way If I see someone that is say listing to Rap music, I know that is one thing we will not have in common, and chances are, the rest of their interests and mine are not going to mesh... so will I go out of my way to try to get to know the person... nope does it mean I disrespect them? nope does it mean I am intolerant? nope I respect their choices, and I am tolerant of their lifestyle, but that doesn't mean I have to get to know them or become their friend...
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-17-2008 13:46
From: Ann Launay Maybe so, but it seems like a pretty shitty way to go through life. that is your opinion and I personally think you are being pretty darn intolerant and disrespectful of my choice of how I live my life....
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Gabriele Graves
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12-17-2008 13:47
From: Moesha Yakubu first rule: that which does not please us, is food. Personally I like to find my food pleasing 
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