Stay Off My Property!

Must be a Blog post or a Town hall or an office hours.

I remember way back when Before P2P teleporting, when you were required to leave a path for people Robin said in a Town Hall that Teleport Home Security Systems were not appropriate.

Edge of your property at a high rate of speed.

Ejecting is fun.

I see you're playing nice with Mr. Phil.

Thank you

I was starting to take a liking to you, don't ruin it.



You really know how to stir some people on here.

Even more fun is to eject them when way up in the air ...

Or make the floor under them phantom

You say your neighbor was wrong to put up banlines because it was inconsiderate and ruining your view. Your solution was a transparent attempt to reciprocate treatment by putting up panels with textures on your side only when it would have required no effort at all to apply the texture to both sides. Notwithstanding your insincere attempts to feign otherwise it is obvious you wanted to show your neighbor what it was like to ruin your view by exercising his right to use banlines by exercising a similar right to do what you want with your land. The difference is he didn't do it with the purpose of annoying you and you put your panels up in the manner you did with the intention of annoying him. That not only makes you a hypocrite, it also makes you a griefer. Congratulations you did not sink to his level, you actually went below it.

Oooooo I like that.

Then make it non-phantom after they fall thru.

I agree, that's probably the secret reason why I prefer not to even bother with security devices <grin>.

What's wrong with them having the benefit? How does it affect you one way or the other *if you're not around*?

Again, I'm NOT talking about logging in and finding people there, or having someone wander in when you're at home. I agree, that IS very annoying. If I lived on the mainland, I WOULD use an orb, because, there would be more people wandering around while I was in-world, and orbs are less a visual blight than ban lines.

It's the "because THEY didn't pay for it and it's MINE all MINE, nyah!" attitude (despite the fact that they cannot affect the pixels on your home at all) which I find a bit disturbing. But, to each their own.

I kid you not, there is a woman who has been running in circles under my workshop for several minutes now, while my guard bees chase her around. Bizarre. Some people are pretty darn determined to go places they aren't wanted. Yes, I'll run them off with bees, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'd be disturbed a lot more without them, with random people wandering by looking for green dots on the mini map.

Edited: She's no longer going in circles under the workshop, but she is still in the general area. Uhoh, maybe people think my guard bees are fun and want to play with them! I *could* turn damage on and "kill" her, but I hate getting sent home by security devices and wouldn't want to do that to others.

Haha sure, but only if you dress like a noob and act like you'll die if you don't get in.
It's so much more rewarding that way



LMAO.. cartoon style. Actually, he was frantically trying to find a way in by trying different angles and repeatedly bashing into it. What I SHOULD have done is let him in a little bit and then put the ban back up. Where I live on the side of a huge mountain, ejectees either get chucked into the linden river below, or flung straight up the cliff face above me only to come back down and relive the experience again.

Bizarre? That sounds like fun to me. I'll have to stop by sometime.

hahaha! can you send a photo link?

Same here. Our home in the sky is our private retreat for relaxation. Even with our orb...recently
some high flyer bounced against our window a few times before being "escorted" home. It reminded me of birds who slam against glass they can't see.

But the ground level area is open.

Meh. I pay for it. It's mine. I can make it JUST mine if I want.

Where I am renting now has lots of noobs dropping in. I know they were in my place because if anyone sits on my sofa the poseballs rez. I see the hot tub settings change. The bed should be more tricky but at the end of the day I work RL to pay for that. I therefore, as far as I am concerned, earn the right to keep it for me and people I love.

Therefore, while the banlines are not up, there is security.

Unfair? Hardly. No one tells people they HAVE to not have a home and also have no respect for other people's stuff in tandem. Plenty of people without a home in SL manage just fine without meddling.

My public spaces are public, other than to people who are on my own internally-stored banlist (and it takes a fair bit to get on there tbh).

Oh yes an anecdote. I got an upset IM from someone next door to a place I did once. Someone in the group for there who had been perfectly reasonable and sensible on my premises had put herself into a 9 year old avatar and was humping away in this girl's bed complete with pigtails, teddy and a "daddy" doing the humping by all accounts. We both AR'd that.

Security exists and is required because some people are pathelogical asshats.

Whay? But we haven't ordered desert yet.................

Of course use a gun to do the same on your own land and it becomes evil & griefing

I paid for the land, I pay tier every month for the right to 'own' that land...I bought or built the objects on that land.

Whether you want to argue it's real or it isn't...the money that bought it is very real.

Therefor it is my right to decide who uses it.

"You say your neighbor was wrong to put up banlines because it was inconsiderate and ruining your view."
It was certainly inconsiderate, but the phrase "ruining your view" is misleading.
We have to accept that a neighbour can put up what we might consider to be a butt-ugly build. It happens. In some ways it's wonderfully mind-opening
Ugliness across a boundary can be softened by a scatering of well-placed prims.
However, the visual nature of ban lines makes them intolerably intrusive. The *only* thing that can hide them is a solid rectangular wall.

"Notwithstanding your insincere attempts to feign otherwise it is obvious you wanted to show your neighbor what it was like.."
Of course it is obvious. Did I not make it clear enough that the sole purpose was to give him a demonstration.? If he was forcing me to use my prims, then he could invest a matching number of his. Where did you get the impression that I claimed to be doing otherwise?

"The difference is he didn't do it with the purpose of annoying you and you put your panels up in the manner you did with the intention of annoying him."
Of course he didn't do it with the purpose of annoying me. He didn't have an awareness of the consequences on others. However, once I had pointed out the fact that those lines were a huge intrusion, and once he had decided to leave them there despite that, the situation changed.

His attitude to my parcel being ruined by his lines was "tough!". He was doing that in the full knowledge of the effects. He was doing that in the full knowledge that he had alternatives.

I was forced to either make a blank-wall building backing on to the length of that boundary or erect a solid rectangular screen in order to hide those lines.
A screen is built in minutes. It can disappear in a second after the point is made.
A building is a lot harder to do.
Once the guy was faced with the consequences of his selfish behaviour, he changed his attitude.

I'll go to huge efforts to avoid having a screen on a boundary. They never look good. They look out of place even if they can incorporate transparency - which they can't in the case of ban lines because of the alpha bug/feature
If the lines had stayed, then the screen would have been replaced by a building designed to hide the lines from anyone in the parcel. Such a building is never going to fit easily into the environment of a water sim of sand islands. Such a build would have blighted his view, but in no way could have been (mis)interpreted as griefing. He would have ended up having to build a screen on his side.

The outcome of using the screens briefly was that an inappropriate build was not imposed on the neighbourhood.
Another outcome is that the guy discovered that the terrible threat existed only in his mind.


Ban lines are the current default access restriction given to us by LL. They are not against the TOS.
However, none of that means that that are in any way a good thing.
Once the downside for others is pointed out, a user of permanent ban lines is bordering on sociopathic behaviour.


"That not only makes you a hypocrite, it also makes you a griefer. "
You need to look up the definitions of both those terms

So Sling, in just what way were you different from the extorting ad farmers? When you put up your plywood wall you were telling your neighbor, "Do things my way and I will take down this eyesore."

You both create an eyesore with the hope of affecting another's actions. They get money, you get a Linden approved tool taken down. Sounds pretty AR'able to me.

I'm all for calling the red ban lines an unaesthetic inanity unless one is being specifically targeted by an alt-hopping individual, but I think you need to look up the definition of sociopathic behavior. Unless your schema for "bordering on" incorporates anyone who wants to establish an exclusive location in Second Life.

"Sociopath" has to be one of the most wildly misused words around here, similar to equating BDSM/Gor to Real World Slavery. It does a disservice to true sociopaths everywhere.

You've got the cause and effect chain all messed up.

An ad farmer buys land with the intention if griefing the hell out of a sim until a neighbour buys the land at an extortionate price in order to get rid of the grief.
I bought that plot with the intention of building something appropriate and nice there.

A neighbour then created an eyesore. The particular eyesore punched its visual impact up to 7+ metres through walls and windows of neighbouring buildings. I had a polite conversation with him. He decided to keep his eyesore in place.

I gave him a vivid demonstration of what it would be like to have a high wall along his boundary. That high wall would have become the blank wall of a building as I absolutely will not stand for ban lines intruding into my land in the way that they do. Even if not plywood, such a wall would still have been damage to the environment.
Bear in mind that the eventual upshot was that he decided that he required no general access restriction whatsoever.
The outcome was good for the sim and good for him.

The parallel with ad farming doesn't hold water. What I was doing is called activism.



Puhleeeese! Ad-farmer?? In your eyes I'm a terrorist.

Rebecca, Rebecca, Rebecca... your namesake would be turning in his grave you know..

It was Frenchman Pierre-Joseph Proudhon who cried "La propriété, c'est le vol!" or "Propert is Theft"

I guess I'm just a little disappointed. I honestly thought that in a world where everything is a micropayment and cost is negligible, that we'd find some way to change the tired old relationship in people's minds between "Property" and Privacy, security and liberty.

We can't though it seems... everyone still wants more. Even in SL everyone wants an "Estate".. they want a bigger plot, a bigger home.. even to the point that they want their virtual yacht and virtual bit of beach.

Is this really "recreation" ? The same old worries and jealous and envies.. the "keeping up with the Joneses".

Maybe I'm simplistic, but I have a home and a mortgage and feel I need to "protect" those things in RL.. why on earth would I recreate that hassle in SL?

All of those things are available in RL. If all you want is Property.. why not switch off SL and go earn some more money and get what you can in RL? I thought Sl was for dreams and creating the impossible.

I realise there is a situation where in SL you can have what you don't have in RL.. so I guess that for those that feel disenfranchised in RL.. you can actually have it all in SL.

Just a shame in my view, that the limits of our imaginations seem to be a nice big house on a nice big plot with some guard dogs patrolling the perimeter.

I'm totally supportive of anyone who wants to restrict access to areas that they want to keep private.
If I ever have a need to I will not have the slightest hesitation in setting up a security orb / swarm of bees / grannies / whatever to discourage unwelcome visitors.
If I ever found myself under some sort of massive attack by a group of avatars too numerous to be able to right-click in a timely fashion, I would not have the slightest hesitation in turning on a general ban temporarily until things quieted down.

When I said "bordering on sociopathic" I was referring to people who set up ban lines in the knowledge of the damage they inflict on the environment and with knowledge of the alternatives available to them.