Stay Off My Property!

Ironic that an entrepeneurial company creating an world with natural laws attempting to enforce that position - unregulated commerce, but with security of transaction and property rights built into the fabric of the world - results in a counterculture of people not interested in transactions or owning property? Well, I suppose, yes - I'm not quite sure where the location comes into it.

No, I think it is a natural result of some people wanting something/someone else to be responsible for their existence and enjoyment of it.

The real problem with security devices is many are set way too short, you walk in and get the warning message, then ejected as you are trying to get out.
Lets get real here, what the real aim is to stop people loitering etc, so set it for a warning at 2 minutes and eject at 4minutes, give people enough time to cross the plot or just admire your work, especially since having no roads, wandering through yards is the way to travel across a sim.

I wish everyone would set a length of time to get across their parcel. If you don't want to give any time, that's your prerogative, but set it to eject immediately rather than something like 10 seconds. As you said, by the time you figure out where to go you've already been ejected.

2 - 4 minutes is an awfully long time, though, for someone looking for privacy.

Even 10 seconds can seem like a long time

I have a suspicion however that the core reason for strict security is "BECAUSE I CAN".

Just how often are people actually disturbed?
I've posted it before. I've only had to eject ban twice in over a year - and that was in a parcel just up a Linden road from the Bear infohub. Lots of noobs and non-noobs used to pass up and down along that road.


The real need v. the perceived need - a little story:

Someone bought a parcel next to one of mine and immediately put up ban lines. As ever, I went to chat to the neighbour to talk about the visual effect on other neighbours. I gave him a link to a forum discussion on a range of security orbs. I banned him from my parcel briefly during our discussion so he could see what I was seeing.

After a few days, the lines were still there. I asked him about it. He said that he was going to stay with using ban lines and that he needed privacy.
OK. He was entitled to do so.
But land rights are a two-way street.
I had to build a big solid screen to hide his ban lines. His side of the screen was plywood with a tiled message in red explaining why the screen was there.
Next day, his ban lines were gone.
And.... he didn't replace them with a security orb
And.... guess what?
He's discovered that he doesn't actually need anything there other than some of right-click/freeze/eject/ban/mute if some occasional a*hole turns up.
He was imposing those ugly lines on the neighbourhood simply because he could, and not because he actually needed to.

If you look at the approach to management you see a very disorganized, do-whatever-feels-good sort of hippie philosophy. If you look at the location, which is primarily San Francisco, you see a city that was at the heart of the 60's counterculture movement. The ironic part is that a company with a very counter-culture approach to management and a very counterculture location creates a system based in unregulated capitalism which is then beset by a counterculture that is looking for a free ride.

That was sort of my point, but it was specifically in response to another post, which I'm not convinced I agree with. As far as freebies are concerned, I think we all needed them, or at least found them beneficial at some point. I'm at a stage in my SL existence where I don't need them, but I'm not so old that I don't remember what it felt like to get a better skin and some reasonably decent clothes for free felt like. They may not have been really good, but they were so much better than what I arrived from OI wearing. I think Teejay was referring to the people who have an expectation that everything will be free and that they should never have to pay for anything regardless of the work that went into it, not people who are brand new and haven't got their feet under them yet. I think those people are a minority, albeit an annoying one.

So basically -

It is ironic that the Hippies made a straitlaced virtual world that is unfortunately being besieged by virtual Hippies.

Yep. That.

I have never had problem crossing a parcel with a security orb with a standard 10 second scan interval and 10 second grace period before being ejected. In addition security orbs generally have a very low ceiling for scanning (96m for mine). Anyone can fly to that height within 10 seconds no matter how big the parcel might be. 6 minutes is way too long for those who rent and don't have admin permissions to eject and ban and want some privacy. All an unwanted and inconsiderate trespasser has to do is hop past the orb range every 6 minutes and they can grief the tenant indefinitely. In such situations 10 seconds or even no warning is warranted to stop that kind of abuse.

Hmm nah just get the fetus's in jars by themselves

Imagine how cute it would be is actual babies could audibly speak while still in the womb

And that's where you need to accept it and leave it alone.

I would love for SL to open a continent that restricted banlines and possibly security orbs. In addition maybe have zoning. It'd be very nice for those that want it. I'd love it for exploring. Of course, there are estate lands that offer this but not everyone wants to buy land on an estate.

Existing land should be left alone. Those that bought it did not have those restrictions and should not have it imposed upon them now.

Have different continents that have different restrictions would be a nice compromise.



I have. It's a little disorienting and basically you just have to fly quickly and hope to get out of that area. It was more of a problem when I was a noob, but still don't like it. I'd prefer to see more 15 and 20 seconds.

Lol I have a neighbour whose had banlines up on 2 vacant plots now for 18 months, refuses to take them down, can't give a reason for having them. He owns a 4096 inside my plot, I offered to swap him that plot for 5000m that was around his mall and he refused basically said he's never selling the plot. Ironivally the land I was going to swap him now surrounds his mall with the first adfarmers in the sim so, the sims now cactus, I moving to another adfarm free sim

True, 6 minutes is too long when you are home, when you aren't who cares if they get ejected just as they drop their underwear
And although I can hop pretty high fences , a Kangaroo can't fly unless I pullout a vehicle or wear a jetpack

I do, yes. I don't use my security orb very often, and I give people plenty of time to walk across my land when it is on. Neighbours are on the access list so they don't get annoying warnings every time they want to fly home.

Might be funnier.

Are there security orbs like that that automatically use a short timer when you are at home, but if you aren't use a longer one?

I cant see why under any reason you'd need more than a minutes warning to get off someones property though.

Brenda's neighbor used to have this crazy orb that would ban me when I was on *Brenda's* property. They definitely should be smarter than that.

I have 4606m of "L" shaped land and right in the corner of the "L" where I would be surrounding it on 2 sides is a 32m plot that is for sale for L1999...with ban lines up around it. Basically when I bought the land all was good in the sim, the day after I purchased my parcel the sim was all cut up with little plots everywhere.

I know the ad-farm policy states that ads being placed on land for sale with over inflated prices are subject to possible suspension; the 32m parcel I'm referring to doesn't have any ads, just high price and ban lines....Can I AR that? The only reason being is it's rather annoying when I am on 2 sides of it, and I cannot attempt to fly anything around my parcel. I just don't want to be stupid and AR it for being a personal annoyance and not a policy violation.

I absolutely disagree.
"Because I can" is not a justification for visiting visual blight, inconvenience and broken vehicles on others.
The neighbour that I described a few posts above didn't need the security. Faced with my plywood he removed his ban lines. He didn't bother to get a security orb, even though I had pointed him at reference material and sources. It simply wasn't worth the effort for him.
He had turned on the bans because it was easy - because he could. But he very obviously never needed to, or else he would have installed an orb to replace them.

AR it. There is zero reason for an ad plot to have ban lines up.
I know that a number of ad farmers put "security for the neighbours" as a reason for ban lines in their land descriptions. They set up the ban lines within a day of the ad-grifer ban being announced.
I ARed a few like that, and the ban lines disappeared.
Have at them! They are not fooling anyone.

Well Sling, why didn't you put your money where you mouth was and buy him a security orb? Or do you just like suggesting that others spend in order to accommodate you?


Because I can the perfect reason to put up banlines. You were actually being more of a griefer with your plywood signs. It is a shame he didn't AR you.

I don't mind people on my land or in my house, but I do find it irritating if they leave the lavatory seat up!

You regularly make that abundantly clear. I despise banlines, but that's the way it was set up by LL and obviously that's the way the vast majority of people in SL like it.

In RL I despise chain link fences. Their ugly as hell. If I don't want to live next to a neighbor that has one then I better choose a restricted community. You can think your neighbor is an ass for having one and you may be right, but your chasing windmills. Right now your only option is to get an estate.

I was real happy when my RL neighbors had their fence installed.

They are weird and the dogs couldn't stand them.

Ugh. There are so many other nice options than chain link. I loved Arizona where almost everyone had a walled in backyard. My backyard was a haven after work and the walls made it nice for skinny dipping.

Your logic is broken.
He didn't need the ban lines.
He didn't need a security orb. Why should I buy him one?
He obviously feels now that he needs neither ban lines or orb.

As for my plywood :-
His position was exactly your position. He felt that he was entitled to do whatever he wanted to do on his land.
So. I have the same entitlement.
I had to build a screen to hide the ugly ban lines. I have absolutely no obligation to make the screen pretty on his side.
If he didn't like it, then he could build his own screen. I had to use some of my prims. He could have used some of his.
The only reason for the screen was to hide the ban lines.
I did not insist that he remove his lines. I fully accepted that he could have them if he wanted to.

I would have loved him to AR me.