Stay Off My Property!

yes it is. because YOU cannot accept it does not make it any different. this is a dead horse beaten so badly now that taco bell has incorporated the corpse into its latest chalupa recipe.



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I use to disagree with Chris on this, but I think I've changed my mind. I agree with you that you have every right to put up an ugly plywood sign on your own property, but....

shouldn't you walk your walk and talk your talk? If so, wouldn't it have been best to put up a wall to hide the ugly banlines for you that wouldn't have been so ugly from his side? Sure you were proving a point but shouldn't you have proven a point of what it's like to be a good neighbor?

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

I thought they tasted funny.

Very broken logic.
That IS the way that LL set things up. What they set up was an ugly quick-fix.

However, it is in no way obvious that any number, never mind "the vast majority" of people in SL like it that way.


Oh look. A lot of people, or even the vast majority, are paying taxes!!
They must like it that way.

I've learned from the best reading your posts.

Blame the neighbor, not the orb. Most of them allow you to set an appropriate range of effect so they don't pick up people on other parcels.

LL gave us banlines and I have seen them tell people that large screens with block the view must be taken down or be made transparent on the outside.

I fully support you doing what you want on your land. But I also take great pleasure in seeing hypocrites hoisted on their own petard.

Doesn't matter if he needed it or not, you wanted him to spend his money to accommodate you. If you thought he should use a security system instead of banlines, you should have shouldered the burden and paid for it.

Yes, I was ejected looking at a property Sarah Nerd had for sale. Her neighbor had his orb set with too broad a range. I gave Sarah a heads up and I'm sure it was straightened out.

Chris, we're on such opposite sides of the spectrum so we don't agree on much, but you have shown me the light on this one and I wholeheartedly agree.

Any screen along a boundary is going to be lacking in beauty. It has to be non-alpha so that the lines don't shine through. Some extra prims with alpha could soften the edges, but the thing is going to be blotting out the sky, the moon, the stars. UGLY!! An aberration!!
Screens are not the answer.
I talked politely with the guy. The outcome of his decision to keep his ban lines was that I was forced to use some of my prims to build a screen that was going to wreck my head. It was going to wreck my head less than his ban lines were going to, but it was still going to be a constant blight on my experience of SL.

Mahatma Ghandi I am not.
It would not have been best for me to prettify his side.
What was best for me was that he removed his ban lines immediately.
What was best for him was that he discovered that he didn't actually need them. What a liberating experience! No more fear!

Any anus who carelessly puts ban lines on my boundary, and refuses to consider alternatives, is going to have to deal with what goes up on my side to hide them.
Ban lines are simply too extreme and too intrusive. In order to hide them is it necessary to create further ugliness on my side -- so if diplomacy doesn't work, it's war!

That's my walk. That's my talk.

This post makes every other post you've made in this thread absolutely meaningless.

Enjoy your war.

You just don't want to get it
I didn't want him to spend money on an orb or on anything.
I pointed out the ugliness of the ban lines to him, and suggested that if he really wanted security then an orb would be a non-ugly option.
I didn't insist that he do anything.

AND....
It turned out that there was no threat to him. He, like many others had simply done something that was easy to do because he could.


In the end, if he had insisted on keeping his ban lines, I'd still have taken down the screens almost immediately. Any sort of screen is going to be ugly. Any question of a possible AR is moot.
In order to enjoy the use of the land that I pay tier for, I'd have arranged things so that the main build was up against the entire length of the boundary - with a blank wall as it could not have any alpha in it. A narrow build like that would allow my to enjoy the parcel without having those lines stuck in my face.

Your understanding of hypocrisy is broken
A hypocrite says one thing but does another.
I say war on ban lines, and I do it.

I get why people want privacy. I have a home, actually 2 "homes" right now in SL.

What I don't get is why people get so upset about the idea that someone might have possibly wandered through their home or even used their stuff WHEN THEY'RE NOT EVEN ONLINE.

Who the freak CARES???

Can they leave stains? No.
Can they break anything? No.
Can they cause depreciation of goods? No.
Can they litter? Only if you allow building, otherwise, No.
Can they leave an odor? No, unless the Lindens enable Smell-o-vision in their next client.

The only way you can even TELL is if you put a visitor tracker on your land. I did that once, and I was surprised at the results, to see that there were more people wandering by than I suspected. But did that change anything in my home? Not one bit.

Yes, I can see using security when I'm online. But I'll be honest, I am still not using an orb or ban lines, after 1.5 years of constant living on the grid. If I lived on the mainland, I might use an orb because there ARE more trespassers there but with the private sims, usually eject/ban is sufficient.

Lots of people, apparently.

I personally don't want to log in and find strange people doing whatever in my space. MY space. The beach is open to anyone, but they need to stay the hell out of my skybox.

I understand that, and yes, that would be disconcerting, but, that seems such a rare scenario. Especially for skyboxes. I have lived in unprotected skyboxes for months and have NEVER logged in to find someone doing what they want there. I'm not saying it can't happen, of course, and now I'm sure this thread will be flooded with stories of exactly that.

If it DID happen, I'd just take 30 seconds to eject/ban, and that would be that. But I wouldn't feel all "icky" because someone happened to be in the same "pixel space". People don't leave imprints on pixels.

"Hey! It's dark in here! Who turned out the lights?"

I use an orb because i got tired of going into my home....being naked while i was changing clothes and having rude people walk in and start hanging out. I also had the experience of laying in bed while iming others and some guy walked in and joined me. I have also had a guy come in and attach himself to my head and start humping my face, which was not pleasant. So, i just use and ord to keep people out when im there. When i am not there i also do not want people coming in, opening and closing doors and shades, etc. I have been able to tell where they have been and what they have done by poses that were changed, open curtains etc. and it is just creepy. While we may LOOK like cartoons, each one of us has real feelings behind the av and mine include some privacy.

Oh its not chain link its a 6 foot high privacy fence YAY

I have security at my place and agree with other like minded ppl
I pay for my land and everything on it..so why should some stranger get the benifit when im not around..
like was said earlier, you get sorta sick of logging in to find strangers having sex in your house and then being abused for disturbing them.....thats what free sex places are for.

Hey, exactly. There are real people behind the avatars with real feelings. And guess what? Some of them have feelings that are different from the feelings of some others. Some of them even have feelings that are different from YOURS (whoever YOU might be). Imagine that. And they want their SL experience to fit their feelings, not somebody else's feelings. Imagine that, too. Then maybe we could see fewer posts putting people down for not having the same feelings as the posters and get on to more important questions, like: How come Trout doesn't share pics of his top-rated sluts?

I hate ban lines with a passion.

Security devices are great as long as they don't infringe the ToS; i.e. people must have time to get out under their own steam. The standard 10 to 20 seconds is good. Instant booting is specifically against the ToS, if I'm not mistaken.

Perhaps the funniest thing that I heard a girl say, was about her av (she would *not* be seen naked by anyone). She said, "I know they are only pixels, but they are *my* pixels". I believe the same attitude applies to many people's SL homes. Homes 'feel' like home. They 'feel' private, and many people don't want other people wandering round them.

There should be no disagreement about security devices that are used properly - those who don't care if people wander in, don't use a security device. Those who do care, use one. I use one. My home is an almost empty box in the sky, but it's my private space, and I don't want people wandering in (through the big hole in the wall). I don't want to eject anyone, and I don't want to talk to anyone when I'm there. When I'm not there, I still don't want people going into my private space. It's only a virtual space, but it's *my* virtual space.

I used to regularly find people in my (locked) skybox and, while it may not bother you, it does bother me. I pay the land fees, I leave the beach open for everyone, I should be able to have a tiny bit of privacy - or at least the illusion - when I want it without having to hassle with banning and ejecting some rude person or people. While I know locks are easily worked around, they should have told people that I didn't want them in there, but said people apparently didn't get the message. Hence the security orb.

Your experiences and preferences are not mine, and vice versa. This setup works for me.

Slightly off topic question. When I ejected someone last night that was in my foyer and would not respond to questions, where did I send him? To a nearby parcel or to his home?

Where are security devices covered in the TOS?

Wheres Elex Dusk? he would know.

I just looked, didn't see.

I said, "if I'm not mistaken" because I may be. I certainly read it somewhere in LL's docs recently. It specifically mentioned allowing time to move on.