Stay Off My Property!

Just to add to the 'ban lines as a griefing weapon' thing:

A few posts back I mentioned a neighbour who put up ban lines, but removed them after a discussion and demonstration.

He's now opened a shop there.

So here's the thing.
My parcel is on the corner of the sim, with protected Linden ocean on two boundaries.
He bought a parcel on one of the unprotected boundaries.
He immediately put up ban lines.

It is entirely possible that the reason he put the lines was to induce me to sell a very desirable parcel. It didn't work, so he removed the lines and then built what he had always intended to build. How many SL stores have put up ban lines? Not many. It wouldn't be a great marketing ploy.
"Zis shoppe iz sooooo excluzzivee zat we don' allow anyone in."

Hi Mr. VonGugelstein

Who said nobody may see it? The owner simply reserves the right to choose whom to show it.

SL has different type of regions to suit almost anybody's taste and preferences. The residential areas are usually occupied and frequented by people who simulate a second home in SL. A home has something to do with property and the rights attached to a property.

One of this rights is to determine who uses the property and when, another one is privacy. These places are not made for the puplic, they are made by their owners for their own purposes - not your purposes.

There are other regions in SL who might suit your need for freedom better. There are lots of SIMS created for the sole purpose to entertain the general puplic, some free of charge others to make money so the owner of hat SIM kan have his private estate somewhere else .

Got the idea? The normal SL is not komunism but pure capitalism. Hence the reason we have a currency.

Also when ever you land in a SIM you can read the rules of that SIM, if you like them, you stay, if you dont like them just leave - your world your choices.

Try my side of the SL world, everthing is different here. We don't have security systems, we dont do ban lines, you rez objects everwhere, we dont even have property. But we also have a set of rules on the about 300 SIMS of our "world".

No rules = chaos

Regards

Maggie

Hovering text also appears inside your house, on your land, etc. if you are unfortunate enough to live next door to a shop that builds displays right up to their property line.

Such a shopowner, *if refusing to move their displays away from the boundary*, might reconsider the action if the affected neighbour chose to put up a grid of floating text prims on their side of boundary.

If you made prim boxes the same size and moved then up to the boundary to match the position of your neighbours and added hovertext saying, "look! how annoying hovertext can be", it would cover his hovertext and the only thing he could do would be to move his away from his border.

with me its much more that\n "stay off my property". It's more, "stay away from me!" until you are proven (i guess the word is) worthy to be in my preseance. It's how we grew up. Everybody ain't, CAN"T be your friend. So I don't like anyone tardying up wanting to be my pal (unless they are a certified thoroughbred dimepiece who may have posed nude or stripped for money but are still good people). When some moron starts yappin to me out of the blue they get what they want. Thier lil turd feelings hurt. When they "explore" around the house, I freeze them, sic my dog Tard on them, set them on fire till they log off. I don't ban eject anybody but my known enemies. That's my style of gameplay. Just like in gran theft auto san andreas where I wasted hours killin everybody on the street for the littlest slight. "they should have stayed at home!"

Yeah fry them, like your style

Maggie

There are also those who like to "decorate" their immobilized intruders. ; )

Oh, and "talk" to them.

That could be automated; a security orb that senses the owner and deactivates when not present. A new market opportunity?

In SL there is public property (LL owned land) and private property (resident owned land). The privatly owned land was not only originally purchased from someone but the private land owner must pay a monthly maintainance fee just to keep it online. Why in the world would people who don't pay for that land feel they have any right to its use. Many private land owners allow the pulblic to use their land but they do so because they are nice, if any land owner doesn't want the public to have the use of their land it is their right.

I own a private island that is restricted to my close friends and my SL wife. The island is surrounded by 8 open space sims that contain all the beaches for the island and that is open to the public. There are also 8 other open space sims that are water only open to the public. I have rules for the public use of my land but still get complaints from a very small minority of people who expect unrestricted use of the water because that is what they get in RL. This isn't RL, private ownership of vast stretches of open water is possible and it is still considered as my home.

People who want to sail across my open water are just like hichhikers as far as I'm concerned. If I'm going from San Fransisco to Dallas I can take a hichhiker and it doesn't cost me anything, just don't smoke in my car. The same thing applies to crossing my open water, do so anytime, just stay out of the way of racing sail boats during racing events. I get a very few people who feel they are exempt from that requirement, they get banned then get mad.

If anybody wants unrestricted use of land they are free to buy their own in SL beacuse there is a virtual unlimited supply. If they want to use other peoples land they will just have to put up with the land owners restrictions.

If you can do all that in 20 seconds, unfortunately freeze whears off before you can get an AR off too. Many seem to believe freezing a griefer who's randomly orbiting people for 4minutes is in itself griefing somehow..................................
Better to just eject eveyone without talking to them so they can rezz a thousand replicating bannana phones on your neighbours land instead

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It would be nice for landowners to have a longer freeze. In them meantime, a large number of weapons, including Mystitool, have traps that hold for much longer. A landowner bent on "reeducation" would need to use one of those, perhaps after an initial "freeze,"and I assumed Jumpy did.

Excellent.

You the man, Christopher!

Well, but you see what problem that would cause, right?

I don't

Re: Security Orbs - how not to use them and how not to advertised your product.

I've just accidentally flown into a parcel and before I could find my way out, I was evicted with the following message:

"You was ejected/send home from the owners land because you was not allowed to be there!"

Followed by a LM to where I could purchase the security orb!

Maybe if the creator of the product could provide some polite and grammatically correct example messages and restrict the minimum time between warning and eviction? Surely this isn't too difficult? I might have kept the landmark then.

Look at your title. "Stay Off Of MY Property". People buy land, pay tier. and build for THEIR enjoyment, not for people to come and free load off of. How often to you pay the owner lindens for using their facilities? 'nuff said.

If they pay on your tier cost, yes Don't you just love freeloaders? I keep my security system at all times as its land I bought and tier I pay. It's now "PRIVATE" property. So, I feel the same way you do. I don't pour my hard earned money into SL for everyone else's enjoyment.

I just want to get this straight.

Sling, you hate banlines, quite vocally, because of the visual aspect, uglifying SL and your view.

So your solution is to... uglify SL and ruin everyone's view?

You don't like banlines because it's being a bad neighbor, so you respond by being a worse one?

I got a link for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

First line...

"Hypocrisy (or being a hypocrite) is the act of opposing to a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time."

Looks more like fighting fire with fire to me. And it worked out well. So your problem is, aside from trolling for people to feel moral superiority to, what exactly?

Sorry, I know this thread had pretty much died a natural death, but I thought I'd resuscitate it one last time.

I first visited SL in 2006, it doesn't sound like a long time ago but to be honest SL felt like a much more open and friendly place back then.

For one think you couldn't just TP to where you wanted on the map, you had to TP to the nearest Telehub and then fly/walk to your destination.

As a result you couldn't help but meet people, just the simple act of going from A to B meant you would see new people.. ask directions.. make friends.

Also, as far as I remember, there was none of this "keep off my land" stuff.

Yes, you'd be sitting in your living room and someone would walk past just outside your window. For the most part they'd be simply out exploring or looking around.

If they turned out to be a complete jerk, you'd send them packing and ban them, but mostly you'd have a chat, show them what you've been up to, and they'd move on with a friendly wave.. you never know.. they may even have become a new friend..

I admit there were many times I logged in at home to find a couple of avatars I didn't know jumping around on my bed.. So what? You say hello.. if they even attempt to look embarrassed and say hello back.. something interesting has happened.. if not.. hit eject and they're gone.

It's not like you really have to wash the soiled sheets

I'm really not a commune living hippy in RL, but to be honest I don't understand this fixation with security and property in a "safe" virtual world.

Yeah ok you spend a few dollars a month on your little bit of server resource, but what is the point of building walls around yourself and losing the opportunity for serendipity that SL offers you?

I guess I'm lucky in RL, I live in a small market town in the UK and pretty much know most people here to talk to, if not by name. However I do also work in London a lot and have lived in cities where many people are like little islands of paranoia who wouldn't recognise their neighbours if they fell over them in the street.

I just have to ask.. what is the point of replicating that in SL? Basically you're paying some money to be in SL, and then paying even more money to limit the opportunities which being here offers.

In my opinion if the $10 or $20 or $500 you spend in SL is such a big deal to you that you feel you have to isolate yourself and spend time stressing about who might get to access it "for free" while you're not looking..you really need to reconsider your priorities and investment.. otherwise why not just stay in RL?

When I want to meet people, I go out. When I want privacy, I stay home. See? Simple.

I guess.. it's your life after all..

But.. that equation is equally simply in RL. I guess it depends on why you come to SL in the first place .. and we do all come for our own reasons.

Also I apologise if I just reiterated a "bunch of stuff that's been said before" Ann.. Although to be honest, that given, you didn't have to waste any more of your valuable time by answering so ascerbically either.