Stay Off My Property!

hahahaha!!!

Id like to Quote this for fucking truth and emphasis.

The last thing a wink or a smiley is going to do at the end of a patronizing/ condescending type of post is going to accomplish is defuse the situation.

Now whether the post hes referring to qualifies, is besides the issue - just that the method is far too frequent.

Basically if you are saying something you KNOW someone is going to take seriously, adding the wink or smiley is just inflammatory.

I think people should leave the winks and smileys for jokes and conversational posts. When arguing with someone they just look snide. Personally I get the urge to slap people who wink after insulting me.

why am i picturing you in hobo clothes, wearing a tinfoil hat? screaming about how the aliens are eating your brains?

i love when people insult me. it's comedy to me, because they usually have it wrong anyway and make themselves into the fool. but then, i'm arrogant.

in cases where you have an inside joke then i can see it being allowed, or you are really good friends and know each other well enough to differentiate a dig vs. a tease.... but otherwise i agree that posting a wink after an insult, as if to possibly say that you were just joking, is a bit abrupt and rude.

i'm not sure what that has to do with intrustion on other peoples' property, but.......

So using a "wink" after posting is considered rude and offensive?


Hmm...me didn't know that. Ok, let me see how this wink thingy works.

Oh dear.. not only am I persona non grata because I have differing opinions, but also my board etiquette has been found wanting.

To be honest, nothing on these boards ever makes me angry or even slightly upset, I really haven't got that much invested in who does what with their Second Lives.

If I stick a smiley face on a posting, then for the most part it's because I'm smiling in RL.

If I stick a wink in there it's because .. well I'm teasing .. and to indicate that you could take what I'm saying with a pinch of salt.

I think the reason some people get irate about the overuse of smileys or winks is that some people hate it when they're not taken seriously.

I'm looking back over my apparently huge use of the wink.. and to be honest the only one that I can see might have been taken as an "insult" was when I responded to a posting by Ike.

Was it bad manners to tease him about his ability or not to afford $125 a month? Possibly, except for the fact that he raised the figure himself and used it as part of the discussion.

I think the relative importance to some people of what they spend in SL is very apposite to the discussion on this thread. The reason I know this is that at least 75% of the posts have made reference to it.

As for the allegation of patronising behaviour. From my understanding of the word it means to treat someone with condescension.

The ultimate act of condescension would be to say that none of you were worth arguing with and to walk away. The second level would be to modify my use of language just in case you might not understand what I'm saying.. in fact to "talk down" to you.

Whatever unpleasant behaviour I may be displaying, I'd think it was pretty blatantly the opposite of patronising.

Because it makes you feel better...?

no, i don't think it's that. i think it's when someone posts a wink after an insult, using the wink to hide what they really mean (which was probably just written)...

you're smart enough to decode that without help, i'm sure.

Yeah, this has always amused me: "We at Psychopathic Scripting make the devices that just trapped you between neighboring orbs, banned you, defamed you to all in llShout range, and teleported you home; wouldn't you like one of our devices too?" I suppose the idea is to foment an escalating war of poorly scripted security systems. "I want one that's faster, meaner, and less grammatical, please. Oh, and do you have a bot that can automatically AR these shiftless trespassers?"That's kinda the thing, really: it's all pretty predictably counterproductive. If one's land is in a bad neighborhood, putting up security (scripted or parcel) is not likely to make it a more pleasant experience: it'll just push the unpleasantness to someplace where one has no means of addressing it. And it's a pretty effective way to turn a good neighborhood bad. So, while everybody has the right to do whatever they want, it's very easy to do something embarrassingly foolish.

I hope I did the right thing...

I was home cleaning up a bit after the great party (thanks to those of you who came!) and a very oddball character showed up on my front porch. I said hello, and how are you today, he was very cordial and all. He was dressed in what appeared to be a combination Keyser/Nazi uniform (if that's possible) doing a goose step and emoting Nazi songs. My DJ from the night before popped over and witnessed his charades. He didn't do anything overtly grieving, but his demeanor was to say the least... disturbing...like having 'a few loose marbles,' or his 'elevator didn’t go all the way to the top.' So I didn't give him any ammunition to grief, I used defusing; calming tactics...I humored him till he left and immediately put him on my ban list. Now when and if he shows up again, he may find himself being orbited.

I really hope I did the right thing and not treat him wrong in any way. I hope to hell that he was not a friend of mine who was using an alt. His profile stated that he has been in world since early 2006.
So what could I have done different, other than going back to rearranging prims, cleaning inventory, and getting my paintings ready to sell in SL?

you handled it nicely. you are much more patient than myself, when it comes to racist avatars. i would have ejected him at 'hello'.

God forbid that you would just ask to be added .

My neighbour on one side has had her access restrictions on for a few weeks now, it could have even been for months since I only found out by using the map to tp and hitting her plot instead of mine. There's not a single spot in my house or garden where I can see them, I don't care for building right up until the edge of the boundary.

The neighbour on the other side doesn't have the parcel restricted, but has one of the most ugly houses possible, with half of it displaced so you can see straight inside through crasks in the walls.

Take a wild guess at which neighbour I find "deprives me of the full enjoyment of my land"? Hint: it's not the one with the restricted plot.

I'll take banlines you can't even see unless you insist on building right up until the edge over a neighbour with an unsightly build any time.

I think Kitty that for this you have to think about the general situation and not about your particular case.
In addition, either your post contains factual errors or your neighbour does actually have not have ban lines up.
There is an entire 7 to 8 metre wide band in your garden along the boundary where you *will* see the ban lines. Perhaps you never go within 7 metres of your boundary.

Some people on smaller parcels don't really have that luxury.

It is true that a neighbour could add other neighbours to their access list. But what about visitors?
It's not a question of building right up to the boundary. It's a question of not building within 7 or 8 metres of it - not if you have any windows.
In a smaller parcel, this can be quite difficult to achieve.



As for ugly builds, they can be screened off with tree or other textured prims.
This is not possible with ban lines as they punch right through and alpha textured prims.
The *ONLY* screen that works for ban lines is a solid rectangular wall.


I'd far prefer to have a butt-ugly build on an adjoining parcel than have ban lines on the boundary.

Oh thank goodness you didn't do anything to hurt the feelings of that poor nazzi man. ARE YOU FOR REAL??? First of all, I thought that was against SL ToS to be like that. Second of all, he was clearly looking for an argument, and he would have gotten one from me, along with an orbit AND an AR report!

Geez, you're way to nice.

If I didn't invite him over or I don't know who the person is, he's sent packing. If I'm in a good mood, I'll tell him to leave. If I'm in my regular mood, he's gone. No questions, no excuses.

I'm dead tired of these interlopers who use excuses to barge in anywhere they like. These bums who feel they should be accommodated with access to any place in sl. Who believe sl should be open and free no matter where it is. Who feel anyone who shuts them out is wrong and just can't get it thru' their thick heads they shouldn't be where they don't belong. I don't care what or how they think it should be.

It's my place and as such I do as I please. Let them take their opposite views elsewhere because over at my way there's nothing but lots of free space rides.

Instant ban and eject if it were my property, along with an AR. Why even try to keep him calm and use defusing tactics? You might do that in RL if there were someone big and threatening so they don't kill you before the cops show up, but in SL, there is no reason to humor someone like that. Just get rid of them.

Alright - I've read this thread all the way through. I think that the reasonable approach is to try to get whatever privacy you want while causing the least disruption to your neighbors. Just because LL allows something doesn't make it right. There are all sorts of things allowed in RL which are not ethical, either, and nobody would succeed in an argument that because it is not prevented by law, it must, therefore be ethical.

People have the right to do what they want on their land in SL. All I'm saying is that people "should" try to be good neighbors about it. They don't have to, but it's the right thing to do. 175L is nothing. If you must use ban lines, add your neighbors so they don't have to stare at your ugly banlines from their property. How hard is that? If you use an orb, give folks a ten second lead so they can get off your property and make sure you set it up so it only works on your property and doesn't orbit your neighbor's guests off of theirs.

Is the threat to your security so great that you can't take simple steps to be a decent neighbor?

For anyone who wants to know what it would be like to live in a SL world with no bans and no security--try hanging out at a Help Island, where they do not use these tools. I get a major headache after five minutes with all the losers and whackos that end up there after they've been banned from everywhere else in the world.

The public Help/Orientation islands are a bit of a special case.

There are people.. sad, lonely and possibly disturbed people.. that find it fun to make things difficult for people who are new and/or trying to find help. HI/OI always seem to have a few of these around.

Other public/open places are not as bad. Especially ones that have people enabled to do security-type roles.

But what help are these security people if they can not ban or orbit offesive visitors? And if they can--how is that different from using a security device on your own land?

Haven't read all your threads, Sindy, so I don't know your position--so this is not an attack on your opinion--just a response to that one comment.

Actually, his uniform was more 1st WW in looks, he was respectful to me, and did not do ANYTHING to grief me. I did think the sound bites from a German crowd singing military songs was bit odd, along with the goose step animation when he walked, but my mysti-tool announced him outside my house on the door step, I said hi (We have an open door policy) as I keep an art gallery in my house on display (Not selling there though). He came into the house at my invitation, much to my surprise at his appearance once I looked up from what I was doing(I try not to judge a book by the cover)...he was not spewing any racial comments at all...and seemed the perfect gentleman, just a bit eccentric is all. I showed him my artwork; he thanked me, and left.
So...I am not sure what you mean by am I for real. I am as real as you are. He was not displaying any swastikas; I think he was displaying an alternative history RP...at least that was my impression.

At any rate, he was banned after he left, just because something about him made me uncomfortable, and I wouldn’t want him to just pop in on Claire unaware in the future. How simple can that be?
Actually without seeing his getup...I DID invite him in too late.
After seeing his getup, and the 1st WW rifle slung over his shoulder (on safety) I used calming words (not that he was escalated, he was actually peaceable in his conversation...just a bit ODD is all)...I could have chosen to be an ass and escalated him, giving him the 3rd degree and such, but that’s not my style, not if I actually invited him in from the doorsteps where he was standing.

I just thought I would mention this 'grey area' scenario:
What would you think, say (just hypothetically) if I were in Gor, sitting in my living room, someone came to my front door because they were curious seeing all the art from outside the windows, I not looking up, invited them in, then looking up and finding a Furry and a Neko in my home admiring my art work...what do you think I would do at that point?

The problem with a lot of these threads is that people take up extreme polarised positions.
I seriously doubt that there is any demand for a "no security" SL.

The polarisation comes mainly from those who feel threatened by anything that looks like an attack on anything to do with access restriction.

I am sure that there are people on these forums who are fully convinced that I want to go and use their land and their stuff. I am sure there are people here who are convinced that I want to do away with all forms of access restrictions. This would be despite my very clear postings to the contrary.

The amount of denial can be extreme. Kitty (above) says of her neighbour's ban lines "There's not a single spot in my house or garden where I can see them".
That statement simply does not conform to reality.

A while back, I set up one of my parcels as a demonstration of ban line visibility in the confines of a 512 parcel and a noob/prefab build.
The visitor log showed many familiar names from the forum, but some of the loudest voices on the "Ban lines are not a problem" camp were conspicuous by their absence.
It would have taken a minute or two to TP in and see for themselves, but they didn't.
They didn't have to, but one would have though that if their minds were open then they would have dropped by.


Lookit!
I seriously doubt that any sane person would argue that there should be no provision for no access control in parcels. There are simply too many abusive morons loose in SL.
The debate should be about how we can have access control in a way that keeps out truly unwelcome people but is soft enough around the edges so as move others along as gently as possible.

Well, at least for my land, the people who have freeze/eject/ban privs are a bit smarter than ban lines or security orbs. Mostly, anyway... (a big to them)

The real difference is that ban lines & security orbs don't act based on somebody's behavior and security people do. All are welcome on my land, unless they're causing trouble.


Don't care for ban lines but that's just because I can never see them until it's far too late.

For security orbs, I think people that use them tend to be far, Far, FAR to serious about it. If your security orb sees me, it's because I'm out exploring at random. I'll usually have no idea what it is you're trying to protect/hide and have no clue how big your land is or what the nearest way off it is. Thanks for the 10 second warning, folks.. :/

edit: ...but until LL says otherwise, it's your land and you can do whatever you want to people on it. Nothing says I have to like it, though.

ahh - I misunderstood your first post. I was thinking WWII Nazi uniform spouting anti-semitic propaganda. Well, I guess you made a judgment call. Everyone has to exercise his or her judgement on how he or she should react in a given situation. You seem happy with your decision and from my point of view it wasn't a bad call, so I guess you did the right thing. Other people might have made a different call on their land, but it doesn't really matter - you dealt with something on YOUR land, not someone else's.

Well, my skybox security does just that...no ban lines at all. If I set the security system on BAN LIST mode (which it is set on that now), it will allow anyone except those names that are in the ban list. So far, I only have one name in it, so all you folks are welcome over, just please be sure not to barge into our bedroom...knock first!

you did the right thing, but as was stated the second he started spouting the nazi garbage, buhbye time. (sorry i missed the party!! ).