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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
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10-25-2007 11:56
Ummm...wha? Why am I an ass? Pretty funny actually, I say the person capable of saying what you just said...is the ass. To expect a term that describes me and 10% of the population to be used in a negative way and not expect offense is being an ass. It's not political correctness. _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 11:56
I'm not an "oldbie" But over the last few months, it's saddened me how mean you guys can get with each other. I mean seriously, one word or phrase can cause such a mean spirited uproar, it's so disconcerting. And at times, it makes me thankful that when I'm inworld I may be lonely, but no one is yelling at me or calling me an ass either. You're right. I feel it all the time. I wish it were different. But I think that's just forum life...especially in a cliquish environment. _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:01
To expect a term that describes me and 10% of the population to be used in a negative way and not expect offense is being an ass. It's not political correctness. It's the natural flow of language--I think you're letting your ego get in the way. Language is constantly transforming...neither you, nor homosexuals have anything to do with with the word 'ghey.' Homosexuals can't even claim 'gay'...gay came way before homosexuals inherited it. It's time to let go of that. When it's used...you don't have to feel bad. No one is bashing a group of people, nor are they even thinking about it. It's used in it's own context. The dictionary is filled with words that mean things, used to mean things, now mean new things, things are forgotten, things are changed, things move on, things morph... We do not go around freaking out over people that use the word 'queer' do we? Of course not...unless they really do mean it the negative way. It's exactly the same thing... Why am I an 'ass' for speaking the truth about language, history, society, and political correctness? I have nothing against anybody. I'm an actor for goodness sakes...we love gay people!  _____________________
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JoshBear Sojourner
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10-25-2007 12:02
"GHEY" is it's own word...separate from a group of people.
But hey...this is all my opinion. I think people just like to get all politically correct for the fun of debate and drama. |
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Zazas Oz
Rufeena Fashion Designer
Join date: 22 Jan 2005
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10-25-2007 12:03
I couldn't think of a way.. but maybe it could be incorporated into a pet name based on some inside joke or experience we shared. ANy word can be used lovingly given the situation in my opinion Not trying to start a war just trying to see your point, I sit here running that response through my head and try useing it in a "loveing, pet name or joke"... *big smile chuckleing.. come here my little N, your such a cute N, hey N lets go out, you know I Love you N*...hmmm I have failed to see how that word could ever be used in a loveing way even with a friend, jokeing pet name, etc. And I can think of a few words that cant be used loveingly in any situation. But to each his own it just shows how different people think and have diferent beliefs. Oh and I am neither Homosexual or African American. Thanks for responding to my question |
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
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10-25-2007 12:04
Guess I'm the only one who took the OP's original statement of the show to mean "Over-blown melodramatic".
 Hmmm.... kinda like the Forums.  _____________________
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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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10-25-2007 12:05
I have nothing against anybody. I'm an actor for goodness sakes...we love gay people! LOL. Now that's funny. If you'll look at my initial post, I wasn't angry or upset. I was trying in a civil manner to point out to the poster that a different choice of words would be best. I only became upset, and still am, when people began to jump on the bandwagon and defend him. I do not think anyone is bad or evil for using the term in that manner, but I home some education that many of us do find it hurtful would encourage others to use many of the other many options instead. _____________________
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Annabelle Babii
Unholier than thou
Join date: 2 Jun 2007
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10-25-2007 12:05
Language is constantly transforming...neither you, nor homosexuals have anything to do with with the word 'ghey.' Just like "kitteh" has nothing to do with felines and "mah" does not mean first person singular posession Respectfully, I shall disagree with your assesment of the etymology of "geh". |
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:05
Not trying to start a war just trying to see your point, I sit here running that response through my head and try useing it in a "loveing, pet name or joke"... *big smile chuckleing.. come here my little N, your such a cute N, hey N lets go out, you know I Love you N*...hmmm I have failed to see how that word could ever be used in a loveing way even with a friend, jokeing pet name, etc. And I can think of a few words that cant be used loveingly in any situation. But to each his own it just shows how different people think and have diferent beliefs. Oh and I am neither Homosexual or African American. Thanks for responding to my question It can be positive--example: Friend One: "Hey Brian, you're a real good friend man, I love ya." Friend Two: "You know it...you're my nigga'" That's very positive, and widely used. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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10-25-2007 12:07
I'd love to see how fast you hypocrites would switch sides of this debate if someone said "Jew him down" or "typical woman driver." After all, they're just words, and they don't mean anything bad about Jews or women; they're just talking about money transactions and bad driving. But since it's about gays, you could give a shit. This hypocrite would treat those phrases about the same as the phrase in question. That being said, I don't begrudge anyone the right to be onded by something they see or hear, even if it doesn't offend me. while I idn't take any offense to the phrase in it's given context I regret having contributed to any trivialization of what some may see as a serious matter. * I think I'll take a cue from Figtree and go on a walkabout* _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:09
Just like "kitteh" has nothing to do with felines and "mah" does not mean first person singular posession Respectfully, I shall disagree with your assesment of the etymology of "geh". Saying 'ghey' originated from the desire to negatize homosexuals is like telling me when we use the word 'retarded' it has to directly relate to someone mentally handicapped. We say, "Man, he drank so much, he got retarded." Do you think this is referring to the mentally handicapped? No, we all know it's a term used for piss-drunk. Right? Same thing I think. This is all kind of ludicrous...I mean, if I killed you in a game and said, "Man I owned you"...does anybody think about slavery? Of course not...because it doesn't mean that at all...but the only time you 'own' a person...is when they are enslaved to you. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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10-25-2007 12:11
Guess I'm the only one who took the OP's original statement of the show to mean "Over-blown melodramatic". Thats the point - the connotation would be: The show was overblown and melodramatic Gay people are overblown and melodramatic (supposedly) Thus if you use the metaphor "That show is gay" you get to both slur gay people and say the show is negatively overblown and melodramatic. |
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Brenda Connolly
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10-25-2007 12:13
Guess I'm the only one who took the OP's original statement of the show to mean "Over-blown melodramatic". Hmmm.... kinda like the Forums. _____________________
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JoshBear Sojourner
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10-25-2007 12:13
It's the natural flow of language--I think you're letting your ego get in the way. Language is constantly transforming...neither you, nor homosexuals have anything to do with with the word 'ghey.' No YOU are wrong! To even say that GHEY and GAY are not the same word is an insult to anyones intelligence. Plus if you really believe it, then it must be why you believe your kids lies when they told you this. The kids all know GHEY=GAY written as it SOUNDS the same when spoken. Just like we type A$$ to describe hate filled people like you, its spelled different, but it means and sounds the same. And like others, dont tell me what my kids know or dont know. Just because you believe your kids lies, does make them true. HATE is HATE no matter how you try to cover it up with your attempts to say it's not. If you truley likes gays like you state, then you would understand. But your words tell me otherwise. So stop acting so inocent, a lot of us see through your charade. |
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:15
Thats the point - the connotation would be: The show was overblown and melodramatic Gay people are overblown and melodramatic (supposedly) Thus if you use the metaphor "That show is gay" you get to both slur gay people and say the show is negatively overblown and melodramatic. The term 'ghey' does not, and has never meant 'overblown and melodramatic'... It means 'lame', 'stupid'...it can mean 'shit' or 'dammit'...it certainly doesn't mean overblown and melodramatic...we have a world for that already...two actually, 'Drama Queen'... _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:16
No YOU are wrong! To even say that GHEY and GAY are not the same word is an insult to anyones intelligence. Plus if you really believe it, then it must be why you believe your kids lies when they told you this. The kids all know GHEY=GAY written as it SOUNDS the same when spoken. Just like we uss A$$ to describe hate filled people like you, its spelled different, but it means the same. And like others, dont tell me what my kids know or dont know. Just because you believe your kids lies, does make them true. HATE is HATE no matter how you try to cover it up with your attempts to say it's not. If you truley likes gays like you state, then you would understand. But your words tell me otherwise. So stop acting so inocent, a lot of us see through your charade. Man, you guys don't get it. So stuck in that social box of your's. *shrugs* Reread what you wrote...now, how negative are you compared to me? I'm not bashing anyone...I'm having a debate. But your post is nasty and cruel--you called me, "hate filled people"...where in ANY of my post do I showcase myself as 'hate filled?" You guys need to wake up. _____________________
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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10-25-2007 12:16
I watched it - it was ok for all the reasons people have said so far PLUS I have the Shoes !! I recognized them instantly ! WooHooo Falling - they picked a pair of your boots  How cool! _____________________
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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10-25-2007 12:20
No YOU are wrong! To even say that GHEY and GAY are not the same word is an insult to anyones intelligence. Plus if you really believe it, then it must be why you believe your kids lies when they told you this. The kids all know GHEY=GAY written as it SOUNDS the same when spoken. Just like we type A$$ to describe hate filled people like you, its spelled different, but it means and sounds the same. And like others, dont tell me what my kids know or dont know. Just because you believe your kids lies, does make them true. HATE is HATE no matter how you try to cover it up with your attempts to say it's not. If you truley likes gays like you state, then you would understand. But your words tell me otherwise. So stop acting so inocent, a lot of us see through your charade. What do people being happy have to do with anything? _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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10-25-2007 12:20
The term 'ghey' does not, and has never meant 'overblown and melodramatic'... It means 'lame', 'stupid'...it can mean 'shit' or 'dammit'...it certainly doesn't mean overblown and melodramatic...we have a world for that already...two actually, 'Drama Queen'... I was directly replying to Tod about "overblown and melodramatic" the same can be said about Lame or stupid. basically the logic would follow: That show was lame and stupid Being gay is lame and stupid (supposedly) If I call the show gay then I say its both lame and stupid and slur homosexuals at the same time. ------------------- Note the OP did not use the word "Ghey" he used gay. Not that I agree theres any difference. But it wasn't what was used. |
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-25-2007 12:21
What do people being happy have to do with anything? *squeezes* That was MY point! _____________________
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:24
I was directly replying to Tod about "overblown and melodramatic" the same can be said about Lame or stupid. basically the logic would follow: That show was lame and stupid Being gay is lame and stupid (supposedly) If I call the show gay then I say its both lame and stupid and slur homosexuals at the same time. ------------------- Note the OP did not use the word "Ghey" he used gay. Not that I agree theres any difference. But it wasn't what was used. No see...that's the problem here. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too...you can't have both at the same time... You can't use 'gay' as meaning happy and homosexual at the same time...it's impossible. Just as it is saying something is 'ghey' and homosexual at the same time too... Ghey does not mean gay...ghey does not mean homosexual...it is totally unique to itself. And using it in the gaming 'ghey' context seperates it completely from any other meaning...you can't slander a homosexual at the same time...unless you're looking to be the PC Pirate. Why is that so hard to understand? ((EDIT))--make note...when using the word G word in a gaming sense...online sense...or the sense I'm saying exists...it is spelled 'GHEY.' Some don't know that...it's only a technicality...but it helps with the words independence...which it deserves. I'm an avid gamer...and when we use the word 'ghey'...none of us are even thinking of a homosexual. _____________________
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FaTeke Wottitz
Lost in the masses
Join date: 7 Apr 2007
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10-25-2007 12:24
I accept that apology and hold no grudges if he refrains from insulting my fellow humans in the future. Perhaps it is youth that makes you think this kind of thing is ok. I'm old enough to remember a time when it was common to hear racial slurs slurs used in "stupid throwaway lines" by people who otherwise seemed polite and who probably didn't really mean to hurt anyone. And by others who were literal terrorists of members of minority groups. It took a lot of complaining by people like me before everyone began to realize that using those words in that way was insulting, intimidating and unacceptable in decent society. Perhaps I also remember more cases of gay people being terrorized for being gay than do very young people or people who don't follow current events. That's why I guess it is up to me to let you know that there are millions of gay people, friends and loved ones of gay people, and people who just want to live in a world where people care about the well being and feelings of others, who feel belittled and threatened when you use the word gay as if being gay is bad. Thank you, well said. FaTeke Wottitz "So shines a good deed in a weary world." Willy Wonka |
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Zazas Oz
Rufeena Fashion Designer
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10-25-2007 12:26
It can be positive--example: Friend One: "Hey Brian, you're a real good friend man, I love ya." Friend Two: "You know it...you're my nigga'" That's very positive, and widely used. Originally Posted by Okiphia Rayna If I called my black friend 'nigger' (Yes I used it, this is an example) in a loving way (If that makes sense to you...not sure how lol) he probably wouldn't be offended. But if I screamed it at him, I'd end up knocked out (I'm a wimp btw lol) HAHAHAHA... To funny BUT... she said "Nigger" not "nigga" and so that is the differance and it is a HUGE difference. |
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Oryx Tempel
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10-25-2007 12:31
Last I checked (30 seconds ago) "ghey" isn't in Merriam-Webster.
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Michael Bigwig
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10-25-2007 12:31
HAHAHAHA... To funny BUT... she said "Nigger" not "nigga" and so that is the differance and it is a HUGE difference. I know the two words are different...but isn't it ironic how the two uses are so similar but so different? _____________________
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